Baseball Stats

Makes it real easy for opposing teams to scout via the internet.

Welcome to Texas. We've been here a year, from Northern Virginia.

Most teams have stats posted on Maxpreps. Some teams are using Gamechanger, others both. There are some that aren't posting at all.

Good luck!

Having a son that made the top of the 5A hitting stats in the paper this last week, I can say that what is reported in not accurate. In addition, he has not seen a good fastball in District games.

I don't buy the other teams can scout from internet, so what, every college and pro game has stats and a box score. To scout a team, you bring personal to a game. Stats, doesn't show how to pitch to certain players, etc.

Maybe I said it wrong, the coaches will not share the stats with their own team. Now I know why certain players get to play, especially the summer team, some kids got way, way more playing time than they should have got. Not certain, but think the parents are big boosters.

Anyways, you check almost every "stat" and "box score" from NBA, NFL, MLB, NCAA sports etc. etc.

I agree left out. My son's summer team did have the stats available on Game Changer, but this year my son's high school does not. The stats are on game changer but, you have to request permission from the administrator to see your own son's stats and you can not see anyone else's stats. Why hide them, and if we have to pay game changer to look at them, then all the stats should be available! You can't hide what is seen.

With that being said, I do believe that our coach would put the stats that the coaches keep themselves and not a parent on high school game time or maxpreps if he wanted to. I guess it's up to each coach what he wants to do. We can request stats from our coach to send to colleges, and I would trust his stats.

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Originally posted by leftout:
I don't buy the other teams can scout from internet,

You asked a question. I answered it. I don't care if you buy it. It happens. Hell, I've done it. No it won't tell you how to pitch a kid, but a coach can get plenty of helpful information from team stats. And HS staffs simply can't scout as much as they like so they'll look at any free info they can get.

Seems logical that if a kid is hitting 500 v 100 that information provides some helpful clues on what to do during, and specially at the end of, the game.

Ironhorse, I do agree with you, but I think I stated my question wrong in my 1st post. Yes, you can scout by looking at stats, etc, etc.

My intentions for my post, is the coach does not let his own team see the stats. To me, and maybe it is just me, this is wrong on so many levels. You have kids playing every game in week 3 that have only one or 2 hits for the season.

Yes, every parent can bring there own scorebook, (and some do)but none of them are official, some don't know how to do ERA's, slugging %, etc. correctly. It would just be nice that there is an official stats for the team out there.

It gives a coach an easy out (no pun intended) to play who he wants too, without having it backed up in the season stats. For example, the lead off hitter has no hits in 33 at bats. Another player is 1 for 27, and has started every game. My son, is playing so there is no issue there, but **** give some other kids a shot.

Well maybe he doesn't publish them because there are parents in the stands who think that the stats are the most important thing in determining who plays. He may have what he believes to be a reason for playing a kid hitting .150 and doesn't feel like providing ammo for multiple parent meetings about it.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but could be a reason.

I know where you are coming from, but it isn't like that, even the kids and parents of these kids wonder the same thing, why I am I still playing, they are grateful for it, I mean who wouldn't be, we all want jr. to play as much as possible.

Since being new to this state, and having our 1st 2 experiences with teams not providing stats, was just wondering if this was common in this area.

Coaches have a hard job and a lot on their plate, but if their skin is so thin, that they can't provide stats during the season to their own players, cause they might upset a few parents, they are in the wrong business.

Anyways, just wondering if this is how its done in Texas, that was my original intent. I came from a good baseball state, but never dealt with this. As a player in high school and college, stats were just public knowlege to everyone, not just your own team.

I am very impressed in the talent in the DFW area. Most games I have seen, there are at least one or two D1, D2 quality players on these teams. I might need to go into the recruiting business for my former college, it would be easy to do in DFW.

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Originally posted by Aleebaba:
Having a son that made the top of the 5A hitting stats in the paper this last week, I can say that what is reported in not accurate. In addition, he has not seen a good fastball in District games.

Are you not buying into the Molina 4A dominance? LOL.

hs stats are worth squat

I believe gamechanger blocks the stats not the coach but people can ask permission to see stats. I have heard a coach reply that other schools could scout by gamechanger but he could as well. If coaches have thin skin it's becasue too many knucklehead parents that think they know baseball and think that the only way to determine why a kid is playing is based on stats. I wish the Cardinals would have sat Albert Pujols during the series based on his stats. Oh but he was probably the son of the booster club president!!! Always an out for parents that their kid isn't playing!

TR is right. High school stats mean nothing. Too small a sample for one thing. Several other reasons too.

Gamechanger never blocked stats before...I believe it is up the administrator, which in our case is a parent. I'm not complaining about my kid not playing cause he is. Just stating a fact about out stats being kept at our school. We were told that the person keeping the stats is the one that makes it to where you have to request to see your son's stats, and that you can not see any other players stats on the team.

BTW...our baseball booster club president kid does play and let me tell you, he deserves it. No politics about it! And no, I am not his parent, just another parent that appreciates
a really good player, that is humble! How does a post like I made turn into a post about knucklehead parents again.

Check maxpreps.com
If your coach reports to maxpreps then you can see the whole teams stats

Loco - Look around at other teams gamechanger....they are all blocked!!!! It is a system wide change for this year.

TRHit and iLuv.....I've seen your argument made before.....and honestly with all due respect you are dead wrong. Firstly, you mean to say there is no difference between a kid that hits 0.090 and one that hits 0.473, both with 80 or more ABs? And the sample size question is completely absurd. While its true the power (statistically defined) of a stat increases with a larger sample size, that increase of statistical power will plateu at a point and increasing the sample size will have no affect. And it may be true most college and pro scouts don't care about stats, they are not spending time and money looking at the HS kid hitting below 0.100, an ERA over 10, etc..

But to the OP, most likely the coach doesn't want to provide ammunition for the disgruntled parent.

Another sample size example would be spring training. Any position player that goes 0 for 30 to 40 can rest assured he will not be making the roster. And that sample size is much smaller than the average high school kid that starts.

Well my original intentions was that my 1st 2 teams in Texas (summer ball & high school), will not provide the stats to its on team, which is ridiculous. You see the stats "box score" after every high school football game, basketball game, etc. I was just wanting to know, if that was normal for everyone else's teams.

Then the subject gets changed to, well if you let other teams see your stats, it is a way for a team to scout you. Well if that is the way that coaches scout, I feel sorry for them.

Now it has turned into, HS players don't need stats. they don't mean anything. REALLY, I have never heard of that before. It is beneficial on so many ways, I can't name them all. Its good for college coaches, for the team putting together lineups, for post season team awards (best hitter, best pitcher, etc. etc. etc). Yes stats are not the end all be all, but they are important. As a coach, the least important thing I would worry about is parents complaining, they are going to do that anyways.

So why do kids even need to get grades in school, or scores on ACT or SAT test. You don't put together an deca team with kids who have "C" average.

I've posted this before and I'll post it again...something I've done and still do is take the stats...white out the names...give them to the kids...and let them make the line up or pitching rotation.

When I do this the kids...
A) take some ownership not only for the team...but their own performance when I attach the names to them.
B) understand the reasoning behind some (not all) of the decisions that I make.
C) make out the same line up that I have made out.

I'm I right all the time...no way! But my players know that I do everything I can to give THE TEAM the best chance to win.

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Originally posted by leftout:
Then the subject gets changed to, well if you let other teams see your stats, it is a way for a team to scout you. Well if that is the way that coaches scout, I feel sorry for them.

The subject didn't get "changed." Your original question was why coaches would keep stats private. I gave you a direct answer to your question. And a very practical and real one. You chose not to "buy" it.

And please don't feel sorry for me. It's not the only way we scout, of course. But if you're so stupid you want to give your direct competition easy access to information about your organization that might benefit them, you're probably the one who needs pity.

funneldrill, I like what you do, our high school coach use to do the same thing, you are still in charge, but now the kids buy into it, and learn from it. He also had a point system, where line drives were given a lot of point value, even if it was line drive that the 3rd baseman or short stop caught for an out. It also gave the players goals to obtain, but make no mistake "we were a team 1st and fore most". There is a way to accomplish both at the same time. Your kids are lucky to have you as a coach.

Ironhorse, lets just "agree to disagree" on this topic. And as I have stated after my 1st post, I meant the coach doesn't even give his own team current stats.

Stats have a place in sports, especially the high school level and beyond. The public sees every stat or "box scores" from every football game (high school and beyond), (rushes, yards rushing; QB attempts, completions, yardage, same with punting yards, etc. etc) and every basketball game (points, rebound, assist, etc. etc).

Plus you can see every pro and college baseball stats online or at D1-baseball. So I don't think the college coaches are stupid, stats are just a way of life, you still have to play the game, pitch different to different batters, position players to the best way you know. So I don't think seeing a teams stats will give you that much advantage, most coaches already know the competition and what each player can do.

But the coaches still have to get the team ready to play, put the right players in the right position, even knowing that everyone knows the opponents stats and vice versa.

Im not sure scouts are looking at players on a stats basis that is posted anywhere so thats not going to get anyone to the next level IMHO... and I DO agree , why give a competitor who dosnt see your game's often a heads up??
My Two Cents?? ...Yes'sir's

Clemson-You might want to take a look at some of the terrible starts several of the major leaguers have had in spring training as well as to the start of the season before you make a statement that is not true.

Any player can go 3 for 40. That doesn't mean they can't hit or are not better than someone riding the bench.

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Originally posted by iluvgoodbaseball:
Clemson-You might want to take a look at some of the terrible starts several of the major leaguers have had in spring training as well as to the start of the season before you make a statement that is not true.

Any player can go 3 for 40. That doesn't mean they can't hit or are not better than someone riding the bench.

Agreed on the fact that a slump does not = bad hitter. Not the same scenario. Big leaguer is probably going to be facing quality/decent pitcher in spring. High schooler not nearly so much as the opposition varies widely.

Established players who have shown they can perform are going to get the benefit of the doubt. Guys trying to break in either perform with limited chances or they drop back down.

Bottom line is stats are just another bit of information. They only tell a part of the story. Those ignorant of the other factors follow the Mark Twain analogy:
“He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – for support rather than illumination.”

Amazing how some parents just feel "left out" when stats aren't posted.... if your kid was hittin 3hole and crushing the ball and striking everyone out as he started every Tues night district game on the bump, you wouldn't care about stats.... apparently all the coaches your son has been associated with are just being "unfair" to your son... poor you.

In Texas, h.s football coaches don't need box scores... they have coaches out scouting games and getting film on opponents so they can disect it all.. different monster...

Can you not keep a scorebook yourself on your sons team? Is that illegal or are you just too lazy?

Where is it stated that a h.s. coach has to keep stats? Coaches could never use a scorebook and still know what their lineup should be game to game. Scorebooks are just a tool.... of course, so is common sense.

Do you want the baseball coach to also post, for everyone, all his students algebra grades as well... for all daily work, quizes, exams, etc???

Statistics remind me of the man who drowned in a river which the average depth was only two feet.

Had to chuckle at your last statement Jmart......you used a statistic (average) to complain about stats.

Clemson... that was my point... a kind of pun if you will...

Martin, I thought maybe you could read. As I stated, my son is a starter, in fact he leads the team in hitting. However, there are 2 kid on the team that play every game so far, one of them is assumed to be 1-36 at the plate and the other one is assumed to be 2-31. And even they can't believe they are still in the line-up, while other kids have had less than 8 at bats, but already have 2 and 3 hits. Heard one of those kids batted .196 for there summer team and rode the pine.

Do we really have to hide behind stats. It can be a good tool if used wisely. And other teams can't scout you if you only publish it for your team. Of course, I know that stats aren't the end all be all, but they are useful. How does your pitcher righty do versus an right handed hitter, etc, etc, etc)

Anyways, all I asked, is this the way things are in Texas, we came from a good decent baseball state, but stats were not kept secret from its on team players.

I think a person ought to be able to read a thread and comprehend before they post, but I guess not, some of you dummies probably vote in an election without being informed.

Leftout-

soooo pretty much, from what I have read, you know: not a lot.

You "assume" about player 1's production.

You "assume" about player 2's production.

You "heard" about one of the kids summer experience.

That would not hold up in court.

Again, can you or the other helicopter parents not keep a scorebook yourselves? It's not rocket science.

Here are some stats for you:

GP PA AB H 1B 2B 3B HR RBI R HBP ROE FC BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
18 70 62 14 10 3 1 0 11 13 2 4 6 4 10 .226 .294 .306 .601

Guess what order in the lineup he bats?
FYI....Not official stats. Coach has true stats.

2nd

You are correct Russ!!! Stats don't truly tell the whole story, but they do give some sort of insight to the madness. Here are some more stats: Rank on team in parentheses.
GP-(1),PA-(1),AB-(1),H-(4),1B-(4),2B(2),3B(2),RBI-(1),AVG-(4)

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Originally posted by planoeast86:
You are correct Russ!!! Stats don't truly tell the whole story, but they do give some sort of insight to the madness. Here are some more stats: Rank on team in parentheses.
GP-(1),PA-(1),AB-(1),H-(4),1B-(4),2B(2),3B(2),RBI-(1),AVG-(4)

Is he the DH? I see no defensive stats?

lsball- This is from game changer. Just FYI.

Team admins control who is approved to see seasons stats and spray charts. This control is not impacted by a fan’s account type (Basic or Premium). For example, if a team admin has privacy settings set to “Approved Access Only,” fans with Premium Accounts still won’t be able to view season stats and spray charts until they are approved by one of the Team Admins."

The team admins have the ability to set their stats to "Public" or "Approved Access Only"; your admin as set the teams stats to "Approved Access Only". When you requested to see your player's stats, the team admin has the option to either grant your request (which gives you access to your player's stats) or granting you "Full Roster Access".

Here you go left out:
TC A PO E DP TP FPCT
67 36 26 5 3 0 .925

How accurate is the stats posted on Dallas Morning News? Who reports to them? Just looking at the pitching stats especially runs and earned runs. Are the defensive players out there that bad? Some examples are 13 runs only 4 earned, 29 runs 11 earned, 23 runs 12 earned. Do these seem accurate from the games you are seeing. We haven't seen that many errors this year. Just wondering.

There are a lot of discrepancies in DMN. I think it mainly stems from misinformation given to them by the schools and scorekeepers.

I have noticed that substitution players and pinch hitters are mentioned as the starter in regards to hitting stats all the time, this is from several different schools. ie (player hits a 2 run HR, who came in as a sub in 5th inning, player he subbed in for was mentioned as the HR hitter). Another example starting pitcher goes 2 innings gives up 2 runs leaves game to due back stiffness, in 4th inning the game is tied then lost in the 8th inning and the starter that left game in the 2nd is reported as the loser.