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Bases Loaded - Infield Pop Up

J JBaioni10+ posts
I'll do my best to explain the situation as it happened.

0 outs, bases loaded, infield drawn in.

Pop up hit to the back of the infield dirt (infield fly rule was not called, which was correct)

Ball hits the ground and chaos ensues.

Runner from 3rd scores.
Runner at 2nd doesn't move.
Runner at 1st doesn't move. (Both anticipating infield fly rule being called)
Batter peels off prior to touching 1st base and heads to the dugout. Again, anticipating the infield fly rule call. (Abandonment)

2nd baseman throws the ball to SS at 2B and he ONLY tags the runner standing on the base. The SS does not touch the base, throw to 3B or 1B.

Ump's call time, discuss, and call a triple play, run doesn't count.

If you can follow this, what's the right call?
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J JBaioni10+ posts
Guys, you're missing the problem. They did not call infield fly rule, which was the correct non-call. There was confusion from the coaches and players that thought it should've been an infield fly rule. The ump's made the correct non-call there.

The question pertains to the rest of the play. How did they get 3 outs with only abandonment at 1B and tagging the runner on 2B?
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
JBaioni are you saying it wasn't an infield fly rule? I'm wondering because from your description it should have been called.

Without an IFF being called I have no idea how they got 3 outs. This just sounds like a huge cluster...... well you get the rest.

It should have been an IFF called for one out and nobody has to advance although the runner on 3B did which means the run should count.

Yeah it sounds like a cluster....
J JBaioni10+ posts
They did NOT call infield fly, which I believe was the correct call. Infield was drawn in and the second baseman got turned every which way. Myself, and the 3 umpires, agreed that it wasn't a "routine play on the ball", confirmed by the ball dropping 10' away from anyone in the infield.

It was a 14U game so the players were playing their first year on a bigger field and the infielders were obviously not used to going back on infield pop ups like that. Regular depth and it's easily infield fly rule whether it was caught or not.
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J JBaioni10+ posts
At first they said the runner from second had to advance he's "automatically out for not advancing". After he realized how wrong that sounded he came back the next inning and said they tagged the runner, then touched the base.

However, the base was not touched at any point. I even asked him to clarify and he said they touched the base THEN tagged the runner. I said if they touched the base first then the runner can remain at 2B. He changed that when he knew it was wrong.

Not at any point did I fault these guys for their confusion. It was a cluster and confusing.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by JBaioni:
I'll do my best to explain the situation as it happened.

Batter peels off prior to touching 1st base and heads to the dugout. Again, anticipating the infield fly rule call. (Abandonment)



Re: Abandonment

OBR 7.08 Any runner is out when-
(a)(1) He runs more than three feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid being tagged, unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball;
or,

(2) after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base;
EH Emanski's Heroes1,000+ posts
This is potentially a dumb question that I should know the answer to, but here goes...if a runner is forced to advance to the next base by a batted ball, does being in contact with his previous base give him safety from a tag? Basically, in this situation the runner on 2nd was forced to go to 3rd, but he was tagged while standing on 2nd base. Is he out on the tag? Or does the defense have to tag 3rd/tag the runner once he's off the base?

Like I said, seems simple enough but I'm not sure the answer.

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