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Hello Folks, New to the board, and my son is 6'3 220lb jr 1b/p currently hitting 4.15 for a 4A high school [largest classification in state] and he trying to get a feel for what level of college baseball he is capable of playing and how big a role his average played into this.Any info or thoughts will be greatly appreciated, Thanks again
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B Blprkfrnks100+ posts
His size and numbers sound good. You won't get a a good answer here though. The answer has to come from someone with good experience seeing him actually play. High school numbers are a small sample size and recorded by suspect scorekeepers, and don't always tell the whole story about potential.

This summer is his key summer. If he is going to play in college, you will have to invest time and money to get noticed by experienced evaluators of talent, multiple times. During his HS season, talk to any experienced parents or coaches about where they think he stands talent wise. Ask that they don't sugarcoat it. He needs to formulate a summer plan now.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
Stats may get a player noticed. But he ultimately has to demonstrate he has the tools to play at certain levels of college ball. That will be judged by the college coaches. A knowledgeable high school coach, showcase coach or pro scout may be able to provide some insight on potential.

Stats may be over or understated based on the quality of competition the player faces during the season and whether or not his team is facing the other team's pitching ace or other pitchers.

Also hitting in tough luck or tremendous luck may have a huge impact on stats in small numbers. In a season with 75 at bats each hit is worth thirteen points. Five shots at fielders costs a hitter 65 points in his average. Five lucky dink hits will add 65 points. The luck doesn't always equal out in a short season.
ILVBBILVBB1,000+ posts
I can't give you an answer relative to your son. What I can do is try to help you get some context so that you can apreciate how difficult it is to answer your question.

Statistically; depending on the state you are in and where your son wants to go to school, the number of kids coming out of high school that play 4-year college baseball is somewhere between one kid out of five to ten high schools will play four year ball. That is, depending on the school and the league, only one kid out of every five teams that you play will ultimatly play college baseball.

So ask yourself the question; is he the "best" player on the last 5-10 teams that he has played?
B brod100+ posts
I am not discounting in any way your son's stats, but what you really have to do is put it in context.

Who was the last player at your son's position on your team and/or in your league who signed to play D1 ball? How does he compare to your son?

Your coach or athletic director must know. For fun, scan the local colleges and read the player bios to see what they did in high school, honors, etc.
and then compare.

Then follow the advice to get him on as a good a summer team as will allow him to be a starter.

And good luck! Let us know what happens.
JF Jones fan100+ posts
Depends upon when your son begins playing at a high level. Generally, the earlier a player is seen the better as coaches have more time to hear about them and evaluate them. Plus, if he plays at the national level, he has more time to learn what adjustments he needs to make to his game during his junior year so he can come back strong the next summer.
JF Jones fan100+ posts
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Originally posted by ILVBB:

Statistically; depending on the state you are in and where your son wants to go to school, the number of kids coming out of high school that play 4-year college baseball is somewhere between one kid out of five to ten high schools will play four year ball. That is, depending on the school and the league, only one kid out of every five teams that you play will ultimatly play college baseball.


Is that stat for D1 only or for any 4 year play? It seems like every 6A team in our state has one or more guys going to play 4 year college ball.
ILVBBILVBB1,000+ posts
Jones Fan:

It is all levels of 4-year schools.

There are lots of HS where no kids go on and play ball. Then you have programs which are rich in talent and send multiple kids on to play. My son had a strong group of kids and at least 10 have gone on to play at 4-year schools (D-1 to D-3).
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infielddadinfielddad10,000+ posts
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it is a little surprising that so many folks look down on D3 ball. Seems like it would be a big honor to make it at any level.


Jones fan,
You are right that many do look down on DIII.
If you look only at DIII, there is a a very wide range of quality in terms of play. Some is really good. Not mid to upper level DI good, but darn good.
But some of the play won't be mistaken for that quality, either.
The one issue that does not get mentioned and often gets lost though is the quality of coaching at DIII.
I can assure you there are plenty of DIII coaches who could coach DI baseball and be very, very successful. They are great judges of talent, they have a passion for the game, and they can teach and coach at an extremely high level. A number of these guys could move up and choose not to do so for many different reasons.
So that I don't show bias, I won't mention our son's college coach.
But, just to illustrate, Jim Page at Millsaps College could coach at any school, at any level of college baseball and be successful. He is recognized as one of the top hitting instructors in all of college baseball, as evidenced by his being asked to do a hitting presentation at the ABCA. Jim isn't alone just in the SCAC in terms of skills as a college coach. He is just an example.
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SandmanSandman500+ posts
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Originally posted by infielddad:
quote:
it is a little surprising that so many folks look down on D3 ball. Seems like it would be a big honor to make it at any level.


Jones fan,
You are right that many do look down on DIII.
If you look only at DIII, there is a a very wide range of quality in terms of play. Some is really good. Not mid to upper level DI good, but darn good.
But some of the play won't be mistaken for that quality, either.
The one issue that does not get mentioned and often gets lost though is the quality of coaching at DIII.
I can assure you there are plenty of DIII coaches who could coach DI baseball and be very, very successful. They are great judges of talent, they have a passion for the game, and they can teach and coach at an extremely high level. A number of these guys could move up and choose not to do so for many different reasons.
So that I don't show bias, I won't mention our son's college coach.
But, just to illustrate, Jim Page at Millsaps College could coach at any school, at any level of college baseball and be successful. He is recognized as one of the top hitting instructors in all of college baseball, as evidenced by his being asked to do a hitting presentation at the ABCA. Jim isn't alone just in the SCAC in terms of skills as a college coach. He is just an example.


My son and our family can't wait for him to play at Western New England this fall! They're currently battling their way through the New England Regionals. But his coach seems like a class act, humble and knowledgeable and very successful. Can't ask for more than that.
PrepsterPrepster10,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jones fan:
Wow, interesting stat. With those kinds of percentages, it is a little surprising that so many folks look down on D3 ball. Seems like it would be a big honor to make it at any level.


If someone looks down on any division of college baseball, all they're doing is revealing how little they really know about college baseball. There's great baseball played at every level; and, you're right, it is "an honor to make it at any level."
J HJ H5,000+ posts
At my high school, from 2005-2010, we had a total of 9 players move onto college baseball. Two Division I (one played 2 seasons and hurt his arm, never recovered...the other is headed to Big East school next year after a few years at a DIII). We were in the biggest classification in the state.
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P Prime91,000+ posts
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Originally posted by DOUBLE C:
Hello Folks, New to the board, and my son is 6'3 220lb jr 1b/p currently hitting 4.15 for a 4A high school [largest classification in state] and he trying to get a feel for what level of college baseball he is capable of playing and how big a role his average played into this.Any info or thoughts will be greatly appreciated, Thanks again


Good numbers and good size. How this translates is more grey than black for the reasons others have already cited.

For approximation, subtract about 100 points in B.A. to forecast, on average, what he may initially hit in College. That's not cast in stone, too many variables, but the H.S. average is bloated. Very good hitters hit .500 in H.S. against good competition.

First base isn't a highly recruited College position. Often, recruiters will look to see if he has outfield speed or pitches? However, because of his size if he can rake he can get attention there.

Moreover, we didn't talk to any recruiter that really even cared what he did in High School. They offer based upon what they see. Summer play is most important.

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