BBCOR ERA & HS Hitting/HR Records

I see your point, but I think part of the problem is that the game is always changing.  a couple of years ago they changed the ball in college baseball, and home runs surged significantly.  In MLB "something" changed beginning after all star break in 2015, and home runs have surged.  It is suspected that the ball was juiced beginning mid 2015     I imagine the HS ball may follow the college ball specs at some point, so homeruns will become more prevalent.    If you start resetting records, do you do it every time something changes?  just don't know if opening the can of worms is worth the trouble. 

it would be considerably less then half as many. closer to 15% or 20%

pabaseballdad posted:

I see your point, but I think part of the problem is that the game is always changing.  a couple of years ago they changed the ball in college baseball, and home runs surged significantly.  In MLB "something" changed beginning after all star break in 2015, and home runs have surged.  It is suspected that the ball was juiced beginning mid 2015     I imagine the HS ball may follow the college ball specs at some point, so homeruns will become more prevalent.    If you start resetting records, do you do it every time something changes?  just don't know if opening the can of worms is worth the trouble. 

Its a fair point.  Its a slippery slope. I looked at our HS. They list the top 5 in just about every offensive category.  Would not be to hard to add the top 1-2 from post 2011 (BBCOR start?) with an asterisk that says BBCOR ERA. I wouldn't take down the old records just recognize the kids who are now hitting with basically a wood bat vs. a weapon 10-20 years ago. Every school does records differently and I'm not saying change NCAA or STATE records, just that particular school. Just seems like a good idea to me and I was wondering if anyone had seen this addressed/acknowledged in their local school or college records. 

Local kid was in double digits for homeruns after his first three years in HS using BPF bats. His senior year with BBCOR, he hit one. Went to a power D1 and it didn't work out. Transferred to a top D2 his junior year and got hurt. As a senior using BBCOR and flat seam balls, he hit 20 homeruns.

If you haven't seen t before, you'll find this interesting.

http://www.nfhs.org/recordbook....aspx?CategoryId=175

Stats4Gnats posted:

If you haven't seen t before, you'll find this interesting.

http://www.nfhs.org/recordbook....aspx?CategoryId=175

 

Again not looking at replacing or asterisking records books but for LOCAL HS or Specific College I think schools should look at adding a BBCOR ERA leader. Also, if Flat Seam ball is a thing ie they are being used in college or HS, I didn't know about it. When did that start? 

NCAA went to a new ball spec in 2015, resulting in over a 40% increase in home runs.    this is still about half of what the home run rate was in 2009/10, the two years before bbcor was instituted in 2011.  

Flat seem balls have not been adopted in HS as of yet, at least not that I know of. 

http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseb...-division-i-baseball

This is the best I've seen or heard of in the BBCOR era: www.maxpreps.com/athlete/alex-...t/baseball-stats.htm

47 career homers. He was the 6th pick in the draft a couple of years ago.  His home high school field was 325' down the lines and 375' to center.

Goblue33 posted:

Again not looking at replacing or asterisking records books but for LOCAL HS or Specific College I think schools should look at adding a BBCOR ERA leader. Also, if Flat Seam ball is a thing ie they are being used in college or HS, I didn't know about it. When did that start? 

I’m not quite sure what you’re after, but right now every HS or college can keep records as they choose. If you’re talking about what can be found in MaxPreps for records, that’s something else again. For most specific stats, MP uses gross number over a season.

If you look up the season and career NCAA home run record they come up Pete Incaviglia. I wonder how many people know he did it swinging a drop eight bat. NCAA baseball knew they needed a change after a 21-14 CWS game. Are the records books supposed to be changed/asterisked every time the bats and/or balls are changed? What about field dimensions? 

Incaviglia's junior year line was .464-48-143 with a 1743 OPS in 75 games. 

Looking at high school my son's team played on a 330-375-405-375-330 field. Another high school played on a 300-340-360-340-300 field. Which high school do you think hit more homers in a season? It wasn't the team with the most power. 

RJM posted:

If you look up the season and career NCAA home run record they come up Pete Incaviglia. I wonder how many people know he did it swinging a drop eight bat. NCAA baseball knew they needed a change after a 21-14 CWS game. Are the records books supposed to be changed/asterisked every time the bats and/or balls are changed? What about field dimensions? 

Incaviglia's junior year line was .464-48-143 with a 1743 OPS in 75 games. 

Looking at high school my son's team played on a 330-375-405-375-330 field. Another high school played on a 300-340-360-340-300 field. Which high school do you think hit more homers in a season? It wasn't the team with the most power. 

Once again my point was regarding a kid playing at the same school (so on the same field likely) should consider ADDING records for kids that play in the BBCOR record.  My son hit 2  HRs as a Freshman with BBCOR.  The record hold hit with juiced bats in the early 2000s and only hit 11.  He didn't hit any until he was a JR.  My son would have hit 5-10 last year with the same bat. 

Goblue33 posted:

RJM posted:

If you look up the season and career NCAA home run record they come up Pete Incaviglia. I wonder how many people know he did it swinging a drop eight bat. NCAA baseball knew they needed a change after a 21-14 CWS game. Are the records books supposed to be changed/asterisked every time the bats and/or balls are changed? What about field dimensions? 

Incaviglia's junior year line was .464-48-143 with a 1743 OPS in 75 games. 

Looking at high school my son's team played on a 330-375-405-375-330 field. Another high school played on a 300-340-360-340-300 field. Which high school do you think hit more homers in a season? It wasn't the team with the most power. 

Once again my point was regarding a kid playing at the same school (so on the same field likely) should consider ADDING records for kids that play in the BBCOR record.  My son hit 2  HRs as a Freshman with BBCOR.  The record hold hit with juiced bats in the early 2000s and only hit 11.  He didn't hit any until he was a JR.  My son would have hit 5-10 last year with the same bat. 

Sounds like he is on track to break the record with BBCOR!  

2019Dad posted:

This is the best I've seen or heard of in the BBCOR era: www.maxpreps.com/athlete/alex-...t/baseball-stats.htm

47 career homers. He was the 6th pick in the draft a couple of years ago.  His home high school field was 325' down the lines and 375' to center.

Pretty incredible numbers Alex put up in high school.  Without passing judgement this may be a good example of what parents may experience in their son's baseball journey.  At 6'2" 215 Alex had a pro type body and his MLB draft showed his value. In his 4th year in minors, career minors BA is .244. Currently not listed in MLB Top 100 prospect list. Alex is 21-22 years old.  It is a long, sometimes difficult journey and even all the high school accolades can't predict what will happen at the next level, be it college or pro.

real green posted:

Goblue33 posted:

RJM posted:

 

Sounds like he is on track to break the record with BBCOR!  

Except that they don't count until you are on Varsity at our HS school!  He was on Freshman for a couple of weeks then moved up to JV.   Likely starts on JV again and moves up sometime as a sophomore.  So has 2.5-2 years with BBCOR to get there.