Beach District Games (April15-19)

Driller, Lefty Pitcher is Dalton Williams a sophmore, he did do a great job. We (Landstown) need to clean up the defense. That was a great piece of hitting by  David Mulac to score the game winners.

Anyone have scores from today's games?

Landstown 6 -1 over Tallwood, Jake Sinniger threw a great game for Landstown. David Montgomery pitched excellent for Tallwood. Landstown, Dalton Williams 2-3 2 RBI, Nick Faison 3-3, 2 dbl's, 3RBI,  Alex Blankenship 2-3, triple, 3 runs scored. I think Tallwood only had 2-3 hits total, they had bases loaded in the bottom of the 6th with 1 out but could not capitalize.

Other scores

Cox 5-0 over OL

Bayside 7-3 over Green Run

Salem 12-6 over FC

Kempsville 5-4 over PA 

does someone have the beach standings?

After yesterday's games, Per the Va. Pilot...

 

Kellam 9-2, 7-1

Cox 8-4, 6-3

Salem 8-4, 5-3

Ocean Lakes 8-4, 5-3

Kempsville 7-6, 5-4

First Colonial 6-5, 4-4

Princess Anne 5-7, 4-4

Landstown 5-6, 4-3

Tallwood 6-7, 3-6

Green Run 2-7, 2-7

Bayside 1-11, 1-7

 

Bayside is 1-8.  Not 1-11

Ummm...I am pretty sure that Driller is telling us the readers...that Bayside is 1-11 (overall/ including spring break games etc.) and that they are 1-7 in conference (now 1-8 based upon what you know).

this is what i have Salem 5-3 and Tallwood 3-5

i guess Salem and tallwood have makeup gm!

and landstown i have as 4-4!

The Beach is a toss up in my opinion, Kellam SHOULD win out but has had its struggles against mediocre team. Salem is what I would call “bi polar” one game they are great next game terrible. Cox is the same way. FC is quietly staying somewhat consistence but under achieving, kempsville needs pitching help, same with Tallwood, Landstown is the most under achieving team. Bayside has no chance, Greerun is going to compete but I think they have over achieved to this point, PA over achieving, Ocean Lakes is a surprise I thought they and Bayside would battle for the basement.

 Going through all the Pilot info on games, the Beach players that seem to be the top performers are Kurt and Sam Sinnen and Josh Worthly for Kellam, Tyler Tharp and Ian Pizzela for Kempsville, Bodie Sheehan for FC, Nick Faison for Landstown and it seems John Long has thrown every game for bayside (I know he hasn’t, but it does seem like it) Sydenstreker for Ocean Lakes, Brandon Trujillo for salem. I may have missed somebody but those are the names I notice are consistently in the paper.

Landstown 4-3 over PA, Landstown only had 2 hits and no earned runs. PA defense had 8 errors in 4th inning costing them 4 runs. PA lefty starter did great job but defense was pretty bad. Alex Blankenship pitch well for Landstown and earns the win, Nick Faison gets the save.

Kellam 6, Tallwood 1.  Really good pitchers dual for about 5 innings between Bishop and Lamb.  Bishop overmatched Tallwood striking out 10 in 4 and 2/3  shutout innings (pitch count). Lamb rebounded well from 1st inning lead off triple by K. Sinnen and Josh Worthley's 7th home run of the season to settle down and keep it at 2-0 through 5.  Kellam would end up banging out 9 hits and 6 earned runs off Lamb in winning their 10th game of the season.    

Just saw latest rankings in Pilot today. No difference in 1/2 positions but curious about Atlantic Shores as number 3. I realize they have a great record but I would really like to see them against a couple teams from Beach or SED to see how they stack up.

PA @ Kellam banged for today.  Teams will play tomorrow @ Kellam @ 4pm. Not too upset as tomorrow is supposed to be alot less windy and 75 degrees !  Is anyone else still playing today ?

IMHO Atlantic Shores would be middle of the pack in the Beach and bottom of the pack in SED. they have a couple studs but Jordan Sergent is the best player on the roster and he would start on any team in tidewater. The HR and batting numbers are bloated as the level of pitching they face is extremely weak compared to the Beach or SED. 

Monster,

   Gotta disagree with ya on this one fella.  I believe they would finish 2nd or 3rd in either District.  Atlantic Shores has more depth then folks who don't get to see them play might know about...

Now about the bloated #'s, well.... that's another story, but they are a legit team for sure.   

Monstercup........If you can get any of the "top" SED or Beach teams to play.....Atlantic Shores will provide the field. AS has played some top quality teams and some that are way less then average.  But to play the tough schedule that they do, AS has to play a wide range of teams.  Driller is correct that they have good depth.  IMHO what they have this year over the recent past is that the majority of the varsity squad can all pitch at a level that allows them to play 35+ games this season.  Jordan is a GREAT no one can ever doubt that but with the returners and the transfers they have depth to rival any team.  I am not saying that they can beat anyone out there but if any team in the SED or Beach wants to find out....then play ball.

 

driller,

they also play a ton of games and again the overwelming majority of the teams they play are not good at all. I've been to 7-8 of their games this year and after sergent and plymett they don't have much. I guess I can agree they could be 2 or 3 in the beach but that is middle of the pack since 2-8 place are mostly within 2-3 games of eachother. IMHO I don't think they are top 6 in the SED. I would also say the whole Pilot top 10 is suspect after numbers 1 and 2.

Monster, I agree with Driller, Shores has plenty of players and pretty solid coaching, I don't think you go 23-1 to this point without being pretty solid. As for the bloated numbers.....I guess that could be debated, but I will say Jordan Sergeant would more than hold his own in the Beach or South East.

Monster.. You dont go 23-1 without a team.. very few teams in the Beach or SED have the pitching to play 40 games.  Yes half of the teams are weak but thats not the fault of the private schools.And like most teams they sometimes play down to their opponent. They would only  finish behind GB in SED and Kellam in the Beach.. They also have depth at most position and are setting up for a several year run.. Devin Hemmerick is a very strong pitcher that came out of nowhere that gives them one of the areas best 1,2 punch

My position on AS, not that it matters, is that they would most likely be a middle of the pack team in the SED...not sure about the Beach.  I base this on my observation of having seen them play against a "middle of the pack" SED team in the fall.  The SED team beat AS by about 5 or 6 runs.  Granted, I'm not sure that AS had their full complement of talent on the field, nor did Sergent pitch.  Then again, neither did the SED team.  The SED team beat them having thrown a couple of JV pitchers.  My observation is not based on the outcome of the game, but from watching the young men physically play the game.

 

Opinions are what they are, and they make the world go 'round.  I just think that suggesting that AS would play a home/home against an SED schedule and finish 2nd or 3rd is a stretch.  Currently the Hickorys and Western Branchs of the world each have 3 or more already committed D1 players.  Most of which to ACC or SEC types.  They also have other kids who have yet to commit.  Heck, NR is middle of the pack and they have at least four kids on the roster who have or will commit to play D1 baseball.  Not to mention the plethera of others, in each of their programs, who will play at the D2, D3, or Juco levels.

 

Indian River has at least four kids who will play in college, and two or three of them will play D1.  They are 2-9 in the SED.

 

I didn't see that from Atlantic Shores, in the fall.

 

Having said all of that, I certainly wish them success as they compete for a state championship this spring!

In the fall. Come On those game in Sept. are practice. . those kids at Shore are by no means the red headed step children of baseball.  And just read on 757teams.    May 6 kellam/shores at odu

Let me clarify one point about the fall season.....AS didn't pitch any of the varsity pitchers more than one inning this past fall if they pitched at all.  The strategy for all of the team that played in the fall was to move players around and get a feel for what was available from JV or JJV.  I don't think any coach who plays in the fall is playing to win and the spring team are completely different.

Looks like we will get a measure on this May 6th.

 

Baseball | Kellam vs. Atlantic Shores on May 6

Wondering how Atlantic Shores measures up against South Hampton Roads' top Group AAA baseball teams?

We'll find out May 6 when the Seahawks - ranked No. 1 in the latest VISAA Division II poll - play Kellam at 5:30 p.m. on May 6 at ODU.

Kellam is ranked second in South Hampton Roads and entered this week leading the Beach District.

Atlantic Shores (23-1) has dominated most opponents this season, losing only 8-7 vs. Manchester, a Group AAA school from the Richmond area. The Seahawks have wins over Norview, Maury and Wilson, but have not yet played a Group AAA team ranked in South Hampton Roads' top 10.

Seahawks AD Mike Tribus, via email, called the game "a chance to see where we stack up against the talent of a team like Kellam."

"We are thankful to Kellam for reaching out to us and providing our team a great opportunity," Tribus added.

The game should match some of the area's hitting and pitching leaders.

Three Atlantic Shores hitters entered this week batting .400 or higher - Jordan Sergent (.435), Ray Plymette (.427) and Kyle Valentine (.400) - and the pitching staff includes Devin Hemmerich (5-0, 1.13 ERA), Sergent (4-0, 1.20) and Josh Stamp (3-0, 1.17). 

Kellam (10-2) has a lineup that features Josh Worthley, who entered this week leading South Hampton Roads with seven home runs and 24 RBIs. He also was batting .450. He's joined by David Mulac (.450) and Kurt Sinnen (.400, 17 RBIs).

The Knights' pitching staff includes Sammy Sinnen (5-0) and Turner Bishop (2-0, 1.70 ERA).

Vavals,

 

I'm very familiar with the goings on of fall baseball.  That's why I emphasized that I saw AS in the fall.  I also emphasized that the SED team they were playing was also not at full strength and threw a couple of JV guys on the mound.  Your point about playing various guys around the diamond to get a feeling of what you have is understood.  Most programs do the same thing!!!

 

The Manchester team that they lost to is a quality team in a good district.  They are a competitive "top half of the district" type of team in that area.  To be clear, I'm not suggesting that AS isn't any good.  They are obviously a good team!

 

My basic point is this:  Unless AS has a lineup with 3-5 Division 1 bound players (whereas two of which are ACC/SEC caliber) to go along with a handful of others who will play at some level in college (ie, 8-10 college bound players) then, generally speaking, they are not of the same caliber as the top half of the SED.  If they do have such a lineup, then I stand entirely corrected.

 

I simply didn't see it.

Heels, I respectfully disagree with useing the conference or division of a school a player has committed to as a measuring stick, too many variables to make that quatifiable. Let's not pretend to know why a player decided on the school he did or what other offers he had.

I agree with you, to a point!  I know of a number of young men who may have been able to play at "A" school, and chose to go to "B" school instead, for any number of reasons.  And I'm not sure I've tried to pretend on why "a player" decided to go to one school over another.  I've not referenced anything in my text in the context of an individual.

 

My message has been in reference to a collection of talent.

 

Considering a collection of talent, no one can logically argue that a team of ACC commits is not more talented than a team of Div III kids.  If that is where you stand, then we do in fact, respectfully disagree!!!

 

 

 

So what your saying is you agree but disagree? My point is simply that a kid committed to a D2 or 3 school very well may have had offers from SEC/ACC/PAC12 ect but decided on the D2 or 3 School for financial, academic, or any number of other reasons.

There are very few kids across the country who earn ACC/SEC/PAC12 offers and go D2 or D3.  I'd guess that number to be less than 20 nationwide. 

What is the top half of the SED.  There is 2 legit teams GB an WB (year in year out) Grassfield an NR are close. Hickory has done nothing over the years . They are more famous for loosing players to other schools than winning . OS has a coach working hard. IR has no one working year around. DC got killed by the opening of GF. An Lakeland an KF have no hope. 

So I take it the games at the beach all sucked? Can be the only reason we're beating this dead horse!

is it better to go to a power house and never see the field or go where you are going to play like a junior college or smaller school. In my opinion and its sad some of these kids will just sit so why not go to a d 2 or junior college than transfer unless you know you are going to play right away. If you are not dominating at the sed or beach district in high school what are you going to do playing in the acc/sec what r your chances?

I think some games were postponed. Cox defeated landstown. Pretty even game, difference was landstown could not defend the bunt. Will Malbon made another spectacular catch in CF for Cox. 

If I'm reading the post correctly, your assertion is that a kid with the opportunity to go to an ACC/SEC school would be better off turning that down in favor of D-2 or JUCO so they could play right away.

 

 There's a much bigger picture that I believe you might be missing in your post.  Life after baseball.  It will come much sooner for guys not named Connor Jones.  While everyone's goals are different, and I'm not trying to cast any aspersions, I think the better question is if you are not a player named Connor Jones are you better equipped for life after baseball with a degree from an ACC/SEC school like UVA/Vanderbilt or a degree from a D-2 or junior college?

understand about connor, my point is i would rather go play than just sit and than transfer, not many scouts are there watching the kids on the bench and the major d1 schools recruit so many kids and you become a just a number.As far as the interview sounds good but i was talking about playing baseball

Actually, that's not correct. ACC/SEC schools get multiple scouts EVERY game. They watch pre game in/out. They watch BP. Playing for an ACC/SEC school is a process. Scouts understand that.  D2 and D3 only get scouts if there is a known commodity in their program. Apples and oranges.

If a player is actively recruited by an SEC or ACC school it is nearly impossible for them to say no.  Think about it, what kind of player that has the talent to get the attention of those schools is going bail out on the competition.  It is a numbers game and someone will end up on the short end, but for those players given a chance are almost always going to take it. 

 

It is the basic human nature for players to go where the best game is.  They all think they will be 1 of the 8 best players wherever they go.  Or top 3 pitchers.  Why wouldn't they because they always have been.

This conversation went off the rails as soon as someone suggested that a kid might turn down an ACC/SEC offer in favor of a D2 or D3.  To suggest that, is to be in denial of one's ability, or lack thereof, or simply delusional.  In either case, both words start with a 'd'.

 

My previous reference to a kid chosing school "A" over school "B" was more in reference to a kid who may go to a mid-major D1 over a high-major.

 

EX.  Kid wants to stay home so friends, family, etc, can see him play.  ODU gives him a great chance to compete for immediate playing time.  ODU is to his educational and social liking.  Child grew up following ODU athletics.  Mom and Dad met at ODU.  ODU makes a very healthy offer.

 

ACC school.  May compete for playing time as a soph.  Away from home.  Great education, but campus is too big for his liking.  Minimum offer, or recruited walk on.

 

This is a scenario where I know of kids who chose the mid over the high-major.  In either case, the player is clearly a D1 caliber talent.  But for people to suggest that a kid would turn down a legitimate high-major offer to play Division 2 or 3??????   They don't even get athletic scholarships in D3!!!!!

GoHeels, you have got to be kidding!! your arguement does not hold water. In my 44 years as a player, scout, national cross checker and collegiate coach, I have seen players turn down Major program scholarship offers plenty of time in favor of mid majors, however rarely for D2 or 3, not an exuberant number of times but enough to say it is somewhat common. I have 2 NC players this year that both turned down NC State for mid majors, one for academic reasons the other for finacial. Had 3 florida players turn down SC, Florida and FIU to go play this summer in DR! Now, I will agree with some of your argument but sounds like Saison is speaking in general terms and maybe his argument was poorly stated. Another point to consider, how many of these big time studs go off to Major programs only to end up at a Juco? I can tell you plenty!! By the way, ODU is a great program on the rise, with the change to C-USA and the determintaion of the coaching staff to get back to national stage this is an ideal time to get into that program.