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Wow, viral. The coach has a clipboard with over 500 entries on it for various pitch combinations as well as defense plays. The infielders and catcher wear wrist bands with the number grid. The coach references the clip board to get the requisite number combination and will say beforehand if the number combination is relevant to a defensive play. The catcher then gives "normal" pitch signs to the pitcher. Believe it or not, sometimes there is human error involved where the catcher crosses lines on an over 500 line grid on his wrist during the middle of a game and calls the wrong pitch for the number combination, or the pitcher gets crossed up on signal sequence. Then still more unbelievably, the high school pitcher doesn't throw the pitch to the location given by the catcher. Larry, does any of this make sense to you or are you still going to insist that what you saw was a coach yelling at a catcher, not for a blown sign, be it coach to catcher or catcher to pitcher, but for the catcher ignoring his coaches desires and calling for what you say was a pitch served up on a silver platter.
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Originally posted by zrxkuma:
Wow, viral. The coach has a clipboard with over 500 entries on it for various pitch combinations as well as defense plays. The infielders and catcher wear wrist bands with the number grid. The coach references the clip board to get the requisite number combination and will say beforehand if the number combination is relevant to a defensive play. The catcher then gives "normal" pitch signs to the pitcher. Believe it or not, sometimes there is human error involved where the catcher crosses lines on an over 500 line grid on his wrist during the middle of a game and calls the wrong pitch for the number combination, or the pitcher gets crossed up on signal sequence. Then still more unbelievably, the high school pitcher doesn't throw the pitch to the location given by the catcher. Larry, does any of this make sense to you or are you still going to insist that what you saw was a coach yelling at a catcher, not for a blown sign, be it coach to catcher or catcher to pitcher, but for the catcher ignoring his coaches desires and calling for what you say was a pitch served up on a silver platter.


well said zrx....maybe we can drop this now, although it has been quite entertaining from the cheap seats...
BIG D,
Agree with most of your comments on Kellam vs. Green Run game, but the hit totals. Kellam managed 4 hits and Green Run had 4 hits. Green Run's pitcher Stone was very effective against a Kellam line up that was pretty sleepy in my opinion. Huge pinch hit 2B bomb into the wind by Sr. Sean Greiser to open things up for Kellam in the 7th. Kellam's starter was fairly solid himself in this game. Hopefully Kellam will snap out of it today in the makeup game vs. Ocean Lakes ?
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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by zrxkuma:
Wow, viral. The coach has a clipboard with over 500 entries on it for various pitch combinations as well as defense plays. The infielders and catcher wear wrist bands with the number grid. The coach references the clip board to get the requisite number combination and will say beforehand if the number combination is relevant to a defensive play. The catcher then gives "normal" pitch signs to the pitcher. Believe it or not, sometimes there is human error involved where the catcher crosses lines on an over 500 line grid on his wrist during the middle of a game and calls the wrong pitch for the number combination, or the pitcher gets crossed up on signal sequence. Then still more unbelievably, the high school pitcher doesn't throw the pitch to the location given by the catcher. Larry, does any of this make sense to you or are you still going to insist that what you saw was a coach yelling at a catcher, not for a blown sign, be it coach to catcher or catcher to pitcher, but for the catcher ignoring his coaches desires and calling for what you say was a pitch served up on a silver platter.


well said zrx....maybe we can drop this now, although it has been quite entertaining from the cheap seats...


So 16/17 yr old kids NEVER mistakes? this whole conversation is slightly ridiculous. Thank god Umpires never make mistakes! :O
Driller,

Will it be played today or too sunny>>
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Originally posted by driller:
BIG D,
Agree with most of your comments on Kellam vs. Green Run game, but the hit totals. Kellam managed 4 hits and Green Run had 4 hits. Green Run's pitcher Stone was very effective against a Kellam line up that was pretty sleepy in my opinion. Huge pinch hit 2B bomb into the wind by Sr. Sean Greiser to open things up for Kellam in the 7th. Kellam's starter was fairly solid himself in this game. Hopefully Kellam will snap out of it today in the makeup game vs. Ocean Lakes ?
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I am the new source for all baseball here in the beach. I will give you predictions, scores and inside information. All you have to do is ask me any question and I will deliver a reasonable answer within a fair amount of time. I will not be critical toward any kid or coach, but will dilvuge inside information that may help you when watching a particular game or even for a local coach to get inside info to game plan with. With all that being said...here are my first time predictions for Friday March 30, 2012 Beach games.

Kellam over Cox- Cox will not match at the plate, Kellam D really tough- my concern..lets all be good sports and act like baseball players through the finish.

First Colonial over Green Run- Patriots have more experience, but have a disadvantage playing at GR

Salem over Ocean Lakes- Spedden has a very young crew and Zells wrist band system seems to work well

Princess Anne over Tallwood- Talwwood too young and Coach Hunt has a few more weponds than the lions

Landstown over Kempsville- One decision will play the role in who wins this game and I feel Landstowns young coach will win the scrabble game by the end of the game

Bayside- The bye could not come at a better time for Coach Hatcher to re-motivate give the usual Saturday off and be prepared for next week versus Ocean Lakes soon to be 0-5.
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Larry, to your credit, I did ask coach heart and it was the wrong pitch called by the catcher, was supposed to be a CB and catcher called a FB just looked at different line on wristband, mistakes happen, now get over it. Kids and Coaches make mistakes, give them a break and lets talk both ways on here.
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Originally posted by Larry Roundhouse:
I was there you were not! Ask the coach. End of discussion!
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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by BigChief:
umm Kellam 21-3 over Ocean Lakes...? I understand its a teams job to stop an opposing team but Jesus!


I can't stand watching that kind of game, regardless of what side I'm on. Leaves a bad taste. OL will remember that score for a long time.


From what I understand it was actually a good game until Koonce(sp?) had to come off the bump. OL lacks pitching depth and Kellams entire line up swings the bat pretty darn good.
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Originally posted by redbird5:
Remember what? That the game was 7-3 after 4 innings?

Or that Coach Jones didn't call in the score to the paper?


Be honest with yourself. If you were a coach or player that just got drummed 21-3, you aren't going to remember it? A call to the paper means nothing, it's what happens on the field during the game. As a coach, you know when things are out of hand. There are ways to show a little sportsmanship to a struggling team. I'm not associated with either team. Simply said OL will remember that one for awhile. Entitled to my view as well, right?
In reading this thread, my takeaway is that Kellam "ran the up the score" on Ocean Lakes. Is that correct? The only way that I know to "show sportsmanship" when one team is superior to another is to substitute and allow others some deserved playing time. If this was done, I wouldn't expect any coach to tell their players to lay down.

Again, not sure of what transpired...I'm just curious to know why some comments are what they are. Thanks!
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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
Remember what? That the game was 7-3 after 4 innings?

Or that Coach Jones didn't call in the score to the paper?


Be honest with yourself. If you were a coach or player that just got drummed 21-3, you aren't going to remember it? A call to the paper means nothing, it's what happens on the field during the game. As a coach, you know when things are out of hand. There are ways to show a little sportsmanship to a struggling team. I'm not associated with either team. Simply said OL will remember that one for awhile. Entitled to my view as well, right?


Seems to me 2 years ago a stacked ocean lakes team put a drumming on a very young kellam squad. Maybe they didn't forget....
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Originally posted by playright:
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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by redbird5:
Remember what? That the game was 7-3 after 4 innings?

Or that Coach Jones didn't call in the score to the paper?


Be honest with yourself. If you were a coach or player that just got drummed 21-3, you aren't going to remember it? A call to the paper means nothing, it's what happens on the field during the game. As a coach, you know when things are out of hand. There are ways to show a little sportsmanship to a struggling team. I'm not associated with either team. Simply said OL will remember that one for awhile. Entitled to my view as well, right?


Seems to me 2 years ago a stacked ocean lakes team put a drumming on a very young kellam squad. Maybe they didn't forget....


Isn't there an old baseball adage that goes something like....the winning coach said sure, I will stop scoring runs if the other team agrees they will not try and score anymore runs....? Although this would probably apply more to a 9-0 score rather than a 21-3 score.
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Originally posted by playright:

Seems to me 2 years ago a stacked ocean lakes team put a drumming on a very young kellam squad. Maybe they didn't forget....


Hmmmmmm...you might be onto something.

Btw, I've been on both sides of a drubbing. There is a right way and a wrong way to do it. But, you weren't at the game and you would like to assume they ran the score up?
I wasn't there, it's just my opinion, but I don't think Kellam would purposely run up the score. Those boys are definitely a passionate bunch, but not so much as to rub it in the noses of OL.

As others have pointed out, Kellam now has a lineup that is very fundamentally sound all the way through. Even the bottom of the lineup makes good contact with the ball.

Moreover, with a lineup that solid, what are they supposed to do during their at-bats, keep their bats on their shoulders?
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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
I wasn't there, it's just my opinion, but I don't think Kellam would purposely run up the score. Those boys are definitely a passionate bunch, but not so much as to rub it in the noses of OL.

As others have pointed out, Kellam now has a lineup that is very fundamentally sound all the way through. Even the bottom of the lineup makes good contact with the ball.

Moreover, with a lineup that solid, what are they supposed to do during their at-bats, keep their bats on their shoulders?


Wow, all I said is OL will remember that one for awhile. That's it, nothing more. Never want to see a kid not take his swings. But you can do things like only take one base, regardless of where the ball is, not advance on passed balls, etc. And I don't know if they did or did not do this. I assume nothing, stop taking a general statement so personally. It's just a website, relax. Again, all I said was they would remember that one for awhile. Baseball can teach kids a lot of things.
Wasn't responding to you, at all. Just the topic in general. Relax yourself.

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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
I wasn't there, it's just my opinion, but I don't think Kellam would purposely run up the score. Those boys are definitely a passionate bunch, but not so much as to rub it in the noses of OL.

As others have pointed out, Kellam now has a lineup that is very fundamentally sound all the way through. Even the bottom of the lineup makes good contact with the ball.

Moreover, with a lineup that solid, what are they supposed to do during their at-bats, keep their bats on their shoulders?


Wow, all I said is OL will remember that one for awhile. That's it, nothing more. Never want to see a kid not take his swings. But you can do things like only take one base, regardless of where the ball is, not advance on passed balls, etc. And I don't know if they did or did not do this. I assume nothing, stop taking a general statement so personally. It's just a website, relax. Again, all I said was they would remember that one for awhile. Baseball can teach kids a lot of things.
lol..I hit the wrong quote button. Wasn't responding to your statement either..sorry..

Always relaxed TF, you can count on it.

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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
Wasn't responding to you, at all. Just the topic in general. Relax yourself.

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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
I wasn't there, it's just my opinion, but I don't think Kellam would purposely run up the score. Those boys are definitely a passionate bunch, but not so much as to rub it in the noses of OL.

As others have pointed out, Kellam now has a lineup that is very fundamentally sound all the way through. Even the bottom of the lineup makes good contact with the ball.

Moreover, with a lineup that solid, what are they supposed to do during their at-bats, keep their bats on their shoulders?


Wow, all I said is OL will remember that one for awhile. That's it, nothing more. Never want to see a kid not take his swings. But you can do things like only take one base, regardless of where the ball is, not advance on passed balls, etc. And I don't know if they did or did not do this. I assume nothing, stop taking a general statement so personally. It's just a website, relax. Again, all I said was they would remember that one for awhile. Baseball can teach kids a lot of things.
OK, now you've got me curious.

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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
lol..I hit the wrong quote button. Wasn't responding to your statement either..sorry..

Always relaxed TF, you can count on it.

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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
Wasn't responding to you, at all. Just the topic in general. Relax yourself.

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Originally posted by rainoutsux:
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Originally posted by bball_lifer:
I wasn't there, it's just my opinion, but I don't think Kellam would purposely run up the score. Those boys are definitely a passionate bunch, but not so much as to rub it in the noses of OL.

As others have pointed out, Kellam now has a lineup that is very fundamentally sound all the way through. Even the bottom of the lineup makes good contact with the ball.

Moreover, with a lineup that solid, what are they supposed to do during their at-bats, keep their bats on their shoulders?


Wow, all I said is OL will remember that one for awhile. That's it, nothing more. Never want to see a kid not take his swings. But you can do things like only take one base, regardless of where the ball is, not advance on passed balls, etc. And I don't know if they did or did not do this. I assume nothing, stop taking a general statement so personally. It's just a website, relax. Again, all I said was they would remember that one for awhile. Baseball can teach kids a lot of things.
(14)... Before that, it actually WAS a decent game. After 5 complete innings the score was Kellam 7 OL 3. Kellam banged out 14 hits and scored (14) runs in the 6th inning from the leadoff hitter to the back up catcher going 2 for 2 in that same inning. OL pitchers issued a few walks and they made one big error in that inning as well.
As other posters have written... These are the same Kellam starters that took their beat downs when they were Freshman and Sophomores. So yes, I'm sure they "rememored ". For anyone to say that anything other then a hitting clinic took place in that 6th inning yesterday most likely was NOT at the game.
Looking forward to Cox at Kellam this afternoon, it should be a great game to watch !!!
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Originally posted by DEEPTHREAT:
Beat down as sophs? Didn't they win the district when most were sophs?


Last year they won the beach, 2 years ago they was young and took their licks. If I remember correctly 2 years ago ocean lakes handed out several thumpings! Cox as well 2 years ago handed out some whoopings. Again, it was 2 years ago!
They got trounced twice in regular season to OL and Morimando & Company in their Frosh year. They lost a 3rd time that same year in the Beach District semi's. Turner Bishop pitched his heart out and lost on a passed ball 2-1, again to Morimando. Last year they got beat by Morimando in relatively close game, but actually touched him up pretty good in the second game in a come from behind thriller 7-6. Just some facts because there is NO bad blood with Coach Speddin @ OL. Gary runs a class program and has been teaching many lessons on and off the field for a good while now !
ps... Glad Morimando graduated
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Originally posted by DEEPTHREAT:
I am sure that off the field the cox boys are good kids, but I wish the coach would teach them how to act on the field, mainly in the dugout. It is a shame that they act the way they do, very childish.


Maybe I am being a little picky about your post. I am not trying to be confrontational buttrying to understand? When reading your statement "Off the field the cox boys are good kids" implies that on the field they are not. Could you please provide some specific examples that you have witnessed, this year to support this positon?
Also don't you think that if the coach did not "support" the behavior he would do something about it? Are you implying that the players on the bench are capable of developing and executing over the course of many seasons this so called bad behavior indenpendent of the Coach? Clearly the coach thinks that this is the proper way for the players to act otherwise he would STOP it. I am missing your point, is it the Cox kids are Bad on the field but you have evidence that they are good off the field or that the Coach is responsible, or maybe both??
FC over green run 3 to 1, Frizzell with big hit in 7th, but great slide by senior Hunter clark on sac fly that put fC ahead, sometimes experience pays off, Hunter slides inside on strong throw from Left fielder, good throw, game changing slide, this won't show up in box score but great at Bat bat Trent Stevenson and terrific slide by Clark, Green Run is a good ball team.
Maybe I am being a little picky about your post. I am not trying to be confrontational buttrying to understand? When reading your statement "Off the field the cox boys are good kids" implies that on the field they are not. Could you please provide some specific examples that you have witnessed, this year to support this positon?
Also don't you think that if the coach did not "support" the behavior he would do something about it? Are you implying that the players on the bench are capable of developing and executing over the course of many seasons this so called bad behavior indenpendent of the Coach? Clearly the coach thinks that this is the proper way for the players to act otherwise he would STOP it. I am missing your point, is it the Cox kids are Bad on the field but you have evidence that they are good off the field or that the Coach is responsible, or maybe both??[/QUOTE]
The best place to watch a game at Cox is first base side behind the plate. I think that many Cox fans/parents stay on the 3rd base side where they do not get a chance to see and don't realize the behavior of the team in the dugout. They taunt the other teams pitcher each pitch. I am all for banter and gamesmanship, but they take it to a bad level. I have no evidence of anything off the field, good or bad, I only mean that I don't think that this says anything about them off the field. I do think that this is a behavior that is either allowed by or encouraged by the coach. It has been this way for too long. If you don't know what I mean, simply put yourself in a better position next week and watch, especially in a "big" game.
The Coach can definitely control the bench. Coaches want the team to pay attention and support the team during the games. There is a clear line between supporting your team and taunting the opponent. It is quite easy to identify and enforce against the taunting. If it is not enforced, then the coach is either not concerned about enforcing it or encouraging it (by inaction). Players (and parents) always will test the limits of acceptability and push to the limit. This is not limited to Cox. It is up to the coach to establish that limit and enforce it when it's crossed.
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Originally posted by DEEPTHREAT:
Maybe I am being a little picky about your post. I am not trying to be confrontational buttrying to understand? When reading your statement "Off the field the cox boys are good kids" implies that on the field they are not. Could you please provide some specific examples that you have witnessed, this year to support this positon?
Also don't you think that if the coach did not "support" the behavior he would do something about it? Are you implying that the players on the bench are capable of developing and executing over the course of many seasons this so called bad behavior indenpendent of the Coach? Clearly the coach thinks that this is the proper way for the players to act otherwise he would STOP it. I am missing your point, is it the Cox kids are Bad on the field but you have evidence that they are good off the field or that the Coach is responsible, or maybe both??

The best place to watch a game at Cox is first base side behind the plate. I think that many Cox fans/parents stay on the 3rd base side where they do not get a chance to see and don't realize the behavior of the team in the dugout. They taunt the other teams pitcher each pitch. I am all for banter and gamesmanship, but they take it to a bad level. I have no evidence of anything off the field, good or bad, I only mean that I don't think that this says anything about them off the field. I do think that this is a behavior that is either allowed by or encouraged by the coach. It has been this way for too long. If you don't know what I mean, simply put yourself in a better position next week and watch, especially in a "big" game.[/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by paintboy:
I agree with Deepthreat. The Cox players act like a mustang team during the games. The coaches must endorse that behavior since everyone on the field can see it.


My point entirely, it must be endorsed by the coach. The players are "only" doing what is 100% endorsed and expected by the coach. My only problem with some of the criticisms of the players, is that the players in the dugout at the Cox field stand almost directly behind the homeplate umpire. If the players are being inappropriate then is it not the resonsibility of the UMPIRE to stop it?
It seems like a simple solution... tell the players to move away from the fence and back into the dugout. My take on this is if the behavior is bad it's the resposibility of the adults on the field, umpires and coaches to handle it. I can assure you, regarding the COX players, I have coached almost all of the players or been around them for most of their playing days and the dugout behavior was definately not taught, or encouraged, or tollerated when they were younger. So if folks think this is a big enough deal then I think now we know where you should channel your criticism! If it "personally" offends you then move away from it. I generally stand in the outfield and watch the game and let the umpires deal with that kind of stuff, it's just less drama, just a suggestion.

On a more relevant note the Kellam vs Cox game Kellam 4-2 was a pretty good game. Cox made a couple of mistakes that we all know seems to always hurt especially when you play a solid team like Kellam. The Sinnen boys came through again, Sammy with a nice double to Right and Kurt with a hard hit ball that Cox 1st baseman Brad Dean could not handle. Brad Dean in the 7th had a nice double to put 2 on the board for Cox. Should be intresting to see how the coaches handle the pitching strategy. Cox has now seen Kellams #1, Cox did not throw their big lefty McCabe, maybe their ace might just show up for the first time in the District like Crouse did vs PA last year!

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