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Originally Posted by Young_Baller:
Originally Posted by younglefty:

Tuff Cufff is a spiral bound book thrown together with what is probably a bunch of good information but trying to figure out any logical order or sequence to it is more difficult that translating Egyptian hieroglyphics.  If you research a little further, you'll discover that a majority of the Superior or 5 Star reviews/promotions for Tuff Cuff are from "affiliates" that are licensed to sell the product for a commission. I think there's good content in there but I just hope you have more success uncovering a program from a bunch of Xerox'd papers thrown randomly together than we did. 

You're experience with the program wasn't good then?  Did you not see any results? 

It was so difficult to figure out that my son never really got started.  He got hooked on P90X for conditioning and we look to Texas Baseball Ranch for throwing instruction and Mike Reinhold, PT/Eric Cressy,ATC for injury prevention/rehab workout programs. 

YoungBaller,

Don't let that feedback discourage you.  You are a motivated young man and you were looking for a way to log your workouts and progress.  You researched and found a good tool.  There is a ton of good to be found in what you have bought into. 

 

Younglefty,

I would ask that you pay closer attention to the context of the thread when replying to a post.  As a dad, you know there is a time to provide pro and con feedback (when this young man was researching and inquiring) and a time to encourage (when he already bought the program and was getting ready to jump in).

Originally Posted by cabbagedad:

YoungBaller,

Don't let that feedback discourage you.  You are a motivated young man and you were looking for a way to log your workouts and progress.  You researched and found a good tool.  There is a ton of good to be found in what you have bought into. 

 

Younglefty,

I would ask that you pay closer attention to the context of the thread when replying to a post.  As a dad, you know there is a time to provide pro and con feedback (when this young man was researching and inquiring) and a time to encourage (when he already bought the program and was getting ready to jump in).

cabbagedad,

You are correct, my tone was improper for the timing in this thread and I would never wish to discourage a motivated player. Thanks for setting me straight, I'm humble enough to admit when I'm wrong.  

Youngballer - There IS good info in Tuff Cuff, as I mentioned.  Your challenge is to decipher how to put it into practice.  Also take note that there are LOTS of other good resources out, like I mentioned, but cabbage is right... the main thing is the effort and heart that YOU put into making yourself better.

Fellas.

There is some really great informative info in the comments above concerning some excellent pitching programs out there which can be very confusing when attempting to pick and choose which one to work with.

First off one should do their homework, check them all out thoroughly, make sure who you pick is involved deeply with Dr. Andrews, his associates and their intensive sports science research concerning as to how a pitchers body in movement from the rubber to it's final flat back finish, fielding position should function within a series of sequenced chained reactive body movements, most of those above do so.I personally have chosen Brent Pourciau at Top Velocity, I also use info from the guy's mentioned above due to the fact that they have become involved with those who so to say, wrote and still write the book on the subject.I was taught by a former 14 yr. MLB veteran who I played minor league ball for to not be jumping all over every suggestion out there, find a successful system as your foundation, survey other info and insert what correlates, fits into your system, absolutely refrain from opinionated, unreliable, old conventional guessing game, non reliable info which is what most instruction out there is all about.

Be very particular that your son/son's are receiving proper body movement instruction by a qualified,and knowledgeable instructor who relies on video taping on a regular basis. Also be aware that playing at any level does not qualify one as a competent teacher/instructor of any phase of the game of baseball, what does qualify one is knowledge between the ears gained by years of becoming a keen student of the game. As far as price is concerned Brent's prices are unbeatable due to the fact that one can learn and even teach an unsurmountable amount of pitching by simply digging deeply into his site, by doing so one will be as close to having a highly experienced  and knowledgeable pitching instructor on hand as possible. 

 

Eric Cressy would be an excellent individual choice for training purposes, do not sell him short he knows how to get the baseball body into excellent shape to pitch..

I talk to Sonny Maynard, former head coach at JO.CO. comm, college in Overland Park Kansas, who I had the pleasure to coach with,  we have had several conversations concerning Tim Collins Royals left hander and his atrocious collapsing down body movement prior to his first and most important forward body movement towards his target, Tim went to Cressey During his off season year before last and improved tremendously although he still has some more adjustment to eliminating that collapsing down completely and getting his first body, hip  movement moving forward ahead of his stride foot and leg down the hill to touch, plant down. After this off season I am looking for him to be even better.

Look for another great pitching prospect, Buddy Bauman who had a very credible season at Omaha last season to jump up on the Royals scene, possibly out of spring training.

Great Baseball-N to all.

Don Ervin

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dfervin32@yahoo.com

 

In lieu of long toss, plyometric and band work, it seems as though this individual "bum jr." does weight training as well not just soft weight training, but squatting 400lbs is not a simple task, love to hear what he dead lift  as well.  So kind of reading this thread, you do need both weight training (3x top velocity) advocates and long toss (free), plyometric  and band work, but probably in moderation and not too excessive to cause strain on the arm.  I have read Brent Pourciau's article and watched his videos what he says make sense.  I do wish I have enough money to get my son into his training program.  All I can do is google all his stuff and try to create a training program for my son and definitely we will add long toss into the equation.

 

But here is a question I would like to ask, does throwing weighted balls increase velocity or is it good for youth to be doing this, if this topic has been addressed please point it to me.

 

Thank you.

 

I have read this whole thread because really aren't we all searching for the answer?  And I think as cabbage implied it's about finding the right fit for you and then throwing yourself into it with max effort.  Personally I have given up. Read things from every single name mentioned in this thread. Leaves my head spinning. So for my son...  Just gonna do football program combined with some cressey like core stuff. I don't doubt the other stuff mentioned here is good.  But I am just so overloaded I have no idea who is right and who is wrong. Bottom line - get fit and strong in some organized and dedicated fashion and do your best.  Good luck young lefty!

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