Ok let’s get this kid out of my house. 
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We should be good Go44Dad
Maybe it would be prudent to read the thoughts of Bob Bowlsby, the Commissioner. His many comments reflect expressions of concern about the end of the Fall.
This is not a sprint. The finish line is still in the fog, unless you are one of the 100,000 and growing killed so far and those who loved them. I guess their finish line gets lost on the HSBBW for some.
I honestly don’t even know what you mean by that. We want our kids to be able to report does not equal not caring that people died. That party line is ridiculous. It more likely just means we know they are not a high risk group. And that I know that Go44 and I are in the same state that has okayed sports.
Nobody knows what is or isn't going to happen in the fall. Should we just quit living our lives because something may happen? Now we e are hearing by fauci that long term lock downs would be fatal. Protect nursing homes...the ill and be smart and we'll get through this
SEC has similar plan with a June 8th start date.
@infielddad posted:Maybe it would be prudent to read the thoughts of Bob Bowlsby, the Commissioner. His many comments reflect expressions of concern about the end of the Fall.
This is not a sprint. The finish line is still in the fog, unless you are one of the 100,000 and growing killed so far and those who loved them. I guess their finish line gets lost on the HSBBW for some.
Yep , because those 100K Lives are the only ones that mattered in this.
Not a finish line, but it is a new beginning. Perhaps some of you have lost sight of the millions that will go into starvation, the deaths of increased drug abuse, and suicide as a direct result of economic and social lockdowns. Perhaps you’ve lost sight of the horrors of Increased domestic violence, the the permanent scars of a generation’s lost education.
Maybe you weren’t paying attention to how well the reopening has worked in GA, TN, FL, TX, etc. Maybe you’ve forgotten how poorly things went during the lockdowns in NYC, MI, New Jersey, California and others. Maybe you haven’t seen the estimates for how many will needlessly die as a direct result of lockdowns.
Shame on anyone that would try to guilt people looking forward to the beginning of the end of this ridiculous, misguided experiment of mass casualties.
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Interesting how some like SBD try to put a political spin and try to put a pejorative spin on fact based statements. No matter how folks try to make it political, it is a fact that we are now over 100,000 dead and rising. That impacts far more people and families than the measurement of death.
As to the new beginning position, it seems like you are trying to play two games on one field at the same time. The game which started in our Country in January but was not recognized l far too late is still in the early innings. Death rates and the financial and emotional impact are still unfolding and will do so for months into the future. Recent trends, which I assume is being called the "new beginning," clearly need to be followed. Early information show increases in a number of States including those with reopening like Texas, Southern Florida, Alabama, etc.
As to the economic impact, one would have to be blind not to appreciate it. The societal impact has been, continues to be and will continue to be harsh. A significant part of my day is trying to work with employers on how to address and impact the harshness within their employee population, while also trying to understand the massive challenges of reopening. (Have you checked the OSHA guidance for reopening?) This massive economic issue is largely because of the failures of leadership to provide a cohesive plan which would have synthesized the anticipated medical impact with the anticipated economic consequences. Instead, the message defensively and retroactively tried to put the Genie back in bottle and convince everyone this was "nothing" and would "soon go away."
What too many seem to be missing is this is not one or the other. It is a medical issue which is significant and will continue to be so and which will continue to have societal and economic impact. Bob Bowlsby (again) notes he is more concerned about finishing the Fall sports season, not starting it.
What the last 60 days shows is both the medical and economic challenges needed to be managed early and proactively and and proactively managed well. Neither was. Arguing it was one or the other (illness and death vs economy) is particularly ill suited to a solid discussion and plan, in my opinion.
Yes, huge number of deaths. 42% were nursery home/assisted living. I don’t know the percentage that had other issues but my guess is most. The handling of patients in nursing homes is a major reason (along with age and other conditions) made the death toll large. College students are not in anymore danger than with flu. Actually flu is more dangerous to them. You can’t paint this with a broad brush.
There are a range of numbers for nursing home/long term care deaths. So they did not deserve to live? Their families did not deserve to have them live, to be with them at the time they left this world? The first responders and doctors and nurses just needed to gut it up and risk their health to try and save those lives?
Those at younger ages or with lesser risk factors carry and spread the infection! That apparently is okay in your world but not in mine? Again, back to the Big12, this latter issue is one of the important Bob Bowlsby, the Commissioner, is referencing when he expresses concern about finishing the Fall.
Again, yes, I don’t care about people in nursing homes. The fact, the point is...they were already to the point of needing care. Then when they move covid patients into nursing homes, you have deaths. Kids being on college campuses isn’t going to risk people in nursing homes anymore than if they are all in their hometowns hanging out at bars.
That’s just reality. These kids aren’t sitting at home.
Of course everyone has a right to live. Some governors protected nursing homes, others put infected people in the nursing homes..
@infielddad posted:Interesting how some like SBD try to put a political spin and try to put a pejorative spin on fact based statements. No matter how folks try to make it political, it is a fact that we are now over 100,000 dead and rising. That impacts far more people and families than the measurement of death.
That mentioned Trump one time, the rest didn't directly make any reference to politics. Any one who knows me understands that while philosophically I lean conservative l have a very low opinion of both parties. I see no benefit that comes from them for the common man. If you aren't a lobbyists, a 35k a plate donor, Matt Damon or Rush Limbaugh their concern for you is limited to getting you to vote for them. Arguing amongst one another on some bulletin board is foolish and makes you nothing more than useful idiots.
@infielddad posted:There are a range of numbers for nursing home/long term care deaths. So they did not deserve to live? Their families did not deserve to have them live, to be with them at the time they left this world? The first responders and doctors and nurses just needed to gut it up and risk their health to try and save those lives?
So what you're implying, is that if all those people in those nursing homes, if they wouldn't have became ill with the coronavirus, they would have lived forever? Or they would have died of something else and that would have been OK. Anything but corona.
Everyone dies SBD. Those who die from Corona do not deserve to have the risk of infection and death spread by those who won't accept or follow the very best medical guidance.
Some number of the deaths in the facilities being referenced are Veterans or in VA facilities. They served their country in Viet Nam, Korea, Iraq, and possibly some in WWII. Some of those in the facilities are spouses and family members of those who served so that posters could come on here on Memorial Day weekend and post that, apparently, those lives really don't matter. Seems sad to me, really.
Elderly people do not deserve to die. I’m tired of hearing it. Many state governments failed elderly people in terms of protecting them. Almost 80% of the people who died were 70 and older. This was not a reason to send everyone else home from work.
Do we try to save every life? No, we don’t. If we did the speed limit would be 10 mph. Every cross walk would have a traffic light. Every street would have guard railed bike lanes. The government calculates an acceptable level of death and determines limits and laws.
@baseballhs posted:Again, yes, I don’t care about people in nursing homes.
WHOA!
Hopefully your tune will change when or if you are ever in the position of having elderly parents (or in-laws, as in my case)! It was a burden, but Grace saw me thru that 17 months from Mar 2008-Aug 2009. I'm nearly 70, & hopefully won't wind there. but I know my children will answer the call, if need be.
Sorry for going off Big 12!
It’s called sarcasm. I too am sick of this party line anytime anyone says they want things to open. I don’t think anyone on Earth would say they don’t care if people die. I don’t think playing football in stadiums with 25% of fans correlates to people in nursing homes dying. It is far more about the way they were handled.