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This was an article in the Wall Street Journal. As a teacher for the past 9 years I must say he is completely correct (not so much in blaming Mr. Rogers) in we are creating an evironment where kids are taking over.


Blame It on Mr. Rogers: Why
Young Adults Feel So Entitled
July 5, 2007; Page B5
Don Chance, a finance professor at Louisiana State University, says it dawned on him last spring. The semester was ending, and as usual, students were making a pilgrimage to his office, asking for the extra points needed to lift their grades to A's.

"They felt so entitled," he recalls, "and it just hit me. We can blame Mr. Rogers."

Fred Rogers, the late TV icon, told several generations of children that they were "special" just for being whoever they were. He meant well, and he was a sterling role model in many ways. But what often got lost in his self-esteem-building patter was the idea that being special comes from working hard and having high expectations for yourself.

Now Mr. Rogers, like Dr. Spock before him, has been targeted for re-evaluation. And he's not the only one. As educators and researchers struggle to define the new parameters of parenting, circa 2007, some are revisiting the language of child ego-boosting. What are the downsides of telling kids they're special? Is it a mistake to have children call us by our first names? When we focus all conversations on our children's lives, are we denying them the insights found when adults talk about adult things?

Some are calling for a recalibration of the mind-sets and catch-phrases that have taken hold in recent decades. Among the expressions now being challenged:

"You're special." On the Yahoo Answers Web site, a discussion thread about Mr. Rogers begins with this posting: "Mr. Rogers spent years telling little creeps that he liked them just the way they were. He should have been telling them there was a lot of room for improvement. ... Nice as he was, and as good as his intentions may have been, he did a disservice."

Signs of narcissism among college students have been rising for 25 years, according to a recent study led by a San Diego State University psychologist. Obviously, Mr. Rogers alone can't be blamed for this. But as Prof. Chance sees it, "he's representative of a culture of excessive doting."

Prof. Chance teaches many Asian-born students, and says they accept whatever grade they're given; they see B's and C's as an indication that they must work harder, and that their elders assessed them accurately. They didn't grow up with Mr. Rogers or anyone else telling them they were born special.

By contrast, American students often view lower grades as a reason to "hit you up for an A because they came to class and feel they worked hard," says Prof. Chance. He wishes more parents would offer kids this perspective: "The world owes you nothing. You have to work and compete. If you want to be special, you'll have to prove it."

"They're just children." When kids are rude, self-absorbed or disrespectful, some parents allow or endure it by saying, "Well, they're just children." The phrase is a worthy one when it's applied to a teachable moment, such as telling kids not to stick their fingers in electrical sockets. But as an excuse or as justification for unacceptable behavior, "They're just children" is just misguided.


"Call me Cindy." Is it appropriate to place kids on the same level as adults, with all of us calling each other by our first names? On one hand, the familiarity can mark a loving closeness between child and adult. But on the other hand, when a child calls an adult Mr. or Ms., it helps him recognize that status is earned by age and experience. It's also a reminder to respect your elders.

"Tell me about your day." It is crucial to talk to kids about their lives, and that dialogue can enrich the whole family. However, parents also need to discuss their own lives and experiences, says Alvin Rosenfeld, a Manhattan-based child psychiatrist who studies family interactions.

In America today, life often begins with the anointing of "His Majesty, the Fetus," he says. From then on, many parents focus their conversations on their kids. Today's parents "are the best-educated generation ever," says Dr. Rosenfeld. "So why do our kids see us primarily discussing kids' schedules and activities?"

He encourages parents to talk about their passions and interests; about politics, business, world events. "Because everything is child-centered today, we're depriving children of adults," he says. "If they never see us as adults being adults, how will they deal with important matters when it is their world?"

Write to Jeffrey Zaslow at jeffrey.zaslow@wsj.com

Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. Thomas Jefferson

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Hold on just a darn second, now! My kid is special! Big Grin

Seriously, that is an interesting perspective. I've read in other commentaries the criticism of too much coddling becoming problematic. I don't know the answer.

FWIW I was reminded of the time I complimented Jason Isringhausen after a game. He replied, "Thank you, Sir." I always remembered the sir part, very respectful to just another fan. It raised my opinion of him tremendously, no matter how he performs on the field.
Good stuff! We have a parent on our team that should read this and a lot of other things of the like. Her son has been my shortstop for 3 prev. years, this year he missed 95% of our off season workouts and now he is just not cutting it.The separation of kids that really love baseball and train hard has taken over him and his game and all of a sudden it's the coaches fault, or the new kid on the team, or whatever, anything but the fact that her son is getting passed by the kids who really work hard and have earned my respect and their teamates as well.She feels I OWE it to her son!I feel sorry for his high school coach next year.I'm going to have a few of the kids read this post for I'm sure they'll get a lot more out of it than the parents.
Poor Fred is rolling over in his grave with this nonsense.He said each kid was special, NOT more special than their parents or someone else's kids, or their neighbor. He stressed each has something to offer in their own "special" way.
While I wasn't a huge fan of the cardigan clad gentleman with the annoying voice, we need to find a better scape goat.
ps...was this supposed to be a joke and I just missed it???
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He stressed each has something to offer in their own "special" way.


IMO - That is precisely what he did.

And ***** bottom feeders like Zaslow are just looking to gain a few corporate points at the expense of a man who spent his entire life trying to help kids - and who also cant defend himself because he is dead.

The Zaslow's of the world deserve to be exactly where they are - in the media toilet. IMO.

Zaslow - yeah - really really Low. LOL
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For every over indulged child, there are ten in line who are not.

Every child IS special.
Some do not have the good fortune to be told so.
( Mr. Rogers, I as a mom, say thank you for picking up the slack and getting the word out to the masses! )

Manners, respect, and integrity.
Are we not, as a society, held responsible?

Shortstawpmoms family ritual:
" Tell me your highlight/lowlight of the day "
Its a simple parenting tool, yet effective.

Believe it or not,... as juvenile as it may sound, it still manages to open up a good conversation at the table. ( or while zoomin' here and there in the car )
Even with teenagers!
You'll be amazed at the things you ( and they ) bring up!

Its easy to blame & complain.
Takes hard work to be productive and happy.

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we are creating an evironment where kids are taking over.


IMHO, only if we, as the adults/elders allow it.
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even the responses that su-cked were special in their own way and will earn a certificate


May I pleeeeeeeeeease have mine embedded with rhinestones?
Make em' extra sparkly, would ya? Big Grin

( ...and the smarty-pants-for-the-day award goes to Shortstopmom!!......thank you-thank you!! )

I don't havta' share, do I?
Where's that crown I'm supposed to get????
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OMG, I am so embarrassed. Red Face My son must be self centered and self indulgent as he did ask one professor once for a better grade!

My daughter also asked about her raise when her evaluation period came and went and no one said anything.

I always told my kids they were special. I also told my students for 16 years they were special but also taught them (and my own)how to work harder when things didn't go their way.

I also always taught my kids to speak up when they feel they have been given a raw deal.

I must be a failure as a parent and professional. Frown
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Mr. Rogers isn't the one that buys them their own:
car, dvd player, I-pod, cell phone, refrigerator, microwave, upscale everything from A to Z.

They have their "own" everything... never had to share anything and then people marvel that they feel entitled?

And I'm not complaining about the stuff kids have, my kids have a ton more than I ever had (I took a radio and a popcorn popper to college)... things have changed.... but blaming Mr. Rogers??? That's weak.
Yes they are all special, but they are not entitled. Hard work should be rewarded, not just showing up.

One of mine ask me one time for an allowance. I responded by telling him that I allowed him to live in my house, eat my food and breath my air. I haven't been asked for an allowance again.

Stop giving them trophies for participating.

Don't blame Mister Rogers or Dr. Spock parents need to look in the mirror.
Mr. Rogers treated people with respect, and I'll bet he expected people, including children, to treat him with respect. That is probably the biggest problem I see today ... children from the age of about 3, 4, 5 years old, when they can start to understand, are being allowed to demonstrate disrespect, especially toward their own parents.

My husband and I are on vacation, and yesterday we were riding bikes when we passed a dad riding with his son and daughter, who looked about 8 and 10 years old. The son loudly called his dad an idiot for some reason, and the dad seemed to chuckle nervously. It didn't appear that the son was kidding, nor that this was the first time this had happened. How sad that the father would allow this. If it had been my husband and my sons when they were that age, the bikes would have been stopped immediately, and the offending son would have heard a brief but very significant lesson ... actually I can't quite picture what would have been said, because that just would never have come close to happening. I cannot remember a single time when my sons have treated either of us parents with disrespect, because they were taught not to from an early age (but we have also treated them with respect for their feelings and opinions).

I know that indulgence and entitlement are problems today, but to me the biggest issue is R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
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Yes they are all special, but they are not entitled. Hard work should be rewarded, not just showing up.

One of mine ask me one time for an allowance. I responded by telling him that I allowed him to live in my house, eat my food and breath my air. I haven't been asked for an allowance again.

Stop giving them trophies for participating.

Don't blame Mister Rogers or Dr. Spock parents need to look in the mirror.


From Wikipedia:

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The first broadcast of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood was on the National Educational Television network on February 19, 1968.


I can give my own personal take since I was 8 years old at the time the show began. I have no particular recollection of his talking about kids being special or that being the primary focus of the show. The show seemd rather innane to me and seemed like it was directed to a very young audience perhaps first grade and lower. The thing that captured my attention from the show was how he came home from work in a suit and tie and imediately dressed down for the show. My Dad did not dress that way for work so it was perhaps the first seed that was planted in my mind that there were other ways to earn a living.

Blaming societal woes on shows like this seems a serious waste of time to me Roll Eyes
I can't recall ever telling my kids that they are special. They are special to us, but I have never really felt the need. In fact, I havn't ever even thought about it. "Special" to me indicates some level superiority over the general population. I would not tell my kid that, even if it were true.

Now I could see a parent telling a kid that everyone is very special in God's eyes, and that they are very special to us parents. Beyond that I just don't know.

To blame Mr. Rogers for societies shortcomings, now that's special!

WELL NOW! ISN'T THAT SPECIAL!!!
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