There are several blacks on our football team. The majority of the basketball team is black. There has not been 1 black in the baseball program since I have been there (2001)
It's their choice. Nobody is keeping them out or discouraging them. It's just the opposite.
Fire him. Just like the Oklahoma coach was.
What goes around comes around.
What goes around comes around.
Fire him. Just like the Oklahoma coach was.
double standard so will not happen.
I do not care for Bryant Gumbel but he is entitled to his opinion. However other people are also. what he said was not derrogatory just his view, However the same thing said at the other end would be taken differently so in this PC world people do not say what many times is reality for fear of losing their job etc etc.
double standard so will not happen.
I do not care for Bryant Gumbel but he is entitled to his opinion. However other people are also. what he said was not derrogatory just his view, However the same thing said at the other end would be taken differently so in this PC world people do not say what many times is reality for fear of losing their job etc etc.
Dear old Dad,
Glad you clarified the point (or I understand your point) in regards to selection, that it was the player choice and not that it was natural selection in a way that they were not capable (that was why I mentioned Al Campanis).
I do think there are a number of factors that do impact why the number of Black Athletes playing Baseball continues to drop...but that is for another discussion
Glad you clarified the point (or I understand your point) in regards to selection, that it was the player choice and not that it was natural selection in a way that they were not capable (that was why I mentioned Al Campanis).
I do think there are a number of factors that do impact why the number of Black Athletes playing Baseball continues to drop...but that is for another discussion
Those who say that nothing will happen are correct, precisely because not enough people stand up for what is right in these instances. When a white commentator makes any statement even close to Bumble's the liberal press and black representatives such as Sharpton, Jackson, et al complain loudly and often anywhere they can find a camera or microphone. What do you think would happen if they were all as silent as the overwhelming majority of society is when people like Bryant Bumble speak out? The answer is that nothing would happen if "that side" were silent.
Only if people speak out, knowing that it will take time after time of pointing out the double standards, hypocrisy and bias of the left, will there eventually be some equality. Another problem is that it has become a big business for the left and some black leaders to use these issues as a profit center as much as for their true beliefs. That too, needs to be addressed.
Only if people speak out, knowing that it will take time after time of pointing out the double standards, hypocrisy and bias of the left, will there eventually be some equality. Another problem is that it has become a big business for the left and some black leaders to use these issues as a profit center as much as for their true beliefs. That too, needs to be addressed.
"TPM...you have to get admitted before you can play....and in every part of this country.....minority status tilts the scales......it's called Affirmative Action........"
I know exactly what affirmative action is.
So are you telling me that a coach will recruit a player for a year or two, sign him in November before player is admitted and then have him turned down because of ethnic background?
I know exactly what affirmative action is.
So are you telling me that a coach will recruit a player for a year or two, sign him in November before player is admitted and then have him turned down because of ethnic background?
Unfortunately - I have had the great displeasure of having to spend time in the presence of Bryant Gumbel - on several occasions.
An absolutely hate filled human being - who is adept at hiding it behind $1000 Brioni suits and Exclusive Country Club Memberships.
An elitist - a hypocrite - and a man without conscience.
An all around disgusting human being IMO.
An absolutely hate filled human being - who is adept at hiding it behind $1000 Brioni suits and Exclusive Country Club Memberships.
An elitist - a hypocrite - and a man without conscience.
An all around disgusting human being IMO.
You can take Bryant Gumbel no more seriously as a journalist than you can Geraldo Rivera.
As noted in the post above, I've had the similar unfortunate experience of once meeting Mr. Dumbel.
As noted in the post above, I've had the similar unfortunate experience of once meeting Mr. Dumbel.
TPM...That is not what I'm saying to you....but....in the end....I'm sure you are right...
You know watching the Olympics.....I think even more offensive than Gumble's racist statements is his dismissive attitude toward these athletes.....he completely diminishes them.....their talent, hard work, the sacrifices they make for their sport.....I mean think about it.....there should also be outrage at his disdain for these Olympians.....
You know watching the Olympics.....I think even more offensive than Gumble's racist statements is his dismissive attitude toward these athletes.....he completely diminishes them.....their talent, hard work, the sacrifices they make for their sport.....I mean think about it.....there should also be outrage at his disdain for these Olympians.....
I also spent some time with Gumbel when he was here for his fundraising golf tournament for the
United Negro College Fund. We played golf together the day before the tournament and actually were partners-rode in the same cart and sat under the cart barn during a two hour rain delay, and
had lunch afterwards. For 6 hours I did not in any way get the impression that he was or is a racist person. After a few beers a person tends to loosen up a bit-and he did-telling us stories
about playing golf with then VP Quayle, Fuzzy Zoeller and others at a pre-Ryder Cup dinner.
That being said, I have since seen and read things that most would consider to be racist comments.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, Bryant Gumbel is probably no more racist than most
people who post on this site. I think fame has gone to his head and he says stupid things like the Olympic statement just because he knows he can get away with it.
I personally couldn't care less what he thinks about anything and will never watch anything involving him or Smith on ESPN-one annoying personality.
Yes, there is a double standard going on and as long as there are no consequences to racist
comments they will continue to happen.
What IS sad is that people who would like to discuss this subject rationally and bring up salient
points are immediately considered racist and therefore have no validity.
United Negro College Fund. We played golf together the day before the tournament and actually were partners-rode in the same cart and sat under the cart barn during a two hour rain delay, and
had lunch afterwards. For 6 hours I did not in any way get the impression that he was or is a racist person. After a few beers a person tends to loosen up a bit-and he did-telling us stories
about playing golf with then VP Quayle, Fuzzy Zoeller and others at a pre-Ryder Cup dinner.
That being said, I have since seen and read things that most would consider to be racist comments.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, Bryant Gumbel is probably no more racist than most
people who post on this site. I think fame has gone to his head and he says stupid things like the Olympic statement just because he knows he can get away with it.
I personally couldn't care less what he thinks about anything and will never watch anything involving him or Smith on ESPN-one annoying personality.
Yes, there is a double standard going on and as long as there are no consequences to racist
comments they will continue to happen.
What IS sad is that people who would like to discuss this subject rationally and bring up salient
points are immediately considered racist and therefore have no validity.
Maybe this Bryant Dumble thing is getting some legs. First, this morning the local AM station that dominates the northern CA market, KFBK, had the sports reporter repeatedly mocking Dumble and some of the other reporters there have picked up on it, too. Now, I just heard Rush Limbaugh bring up Dumble's comments on his radio show.
It is getting out there, with commentary on it's inappropriateness.
It is getting out there, with commentary on it's inappropriateness.
Ok....heres my take.Gumble has acted white all his life..until,it benefits him to pull out the card!He only claims his race when its convient for him..bottom line!nobody complains about all the black sprinters and basketballers in the summer games.As far as the lack of blacks in bb I look at it like this I wouldnt have played softball if my grandmother hadnt played it with me when I was a little girl.My mom dislikes baseball but I showed my little bro how to play when he was little.It's just like anything if you want you will find a way to get.Those inner city kids dont always have the means for a lot of things but if they want them bad enough they find a way to get them.They will ride a bus across town to a gym but wont walk a few blocks to a baseball field!I'm tired of excusses for everything we dont have in this society being blamed on race or class.Instead of mlb spending all this $$ to bring bb to the inner cities they need to be spending $$ where it will pay off to these kids and thats in education!The $$spent on education would benefit more kids than a bb feild.I personaaly feel that every kid that wants to play should be able,but if its not easy parents just dont want to give it the effort!
Joyee....you said it right....what's most important is the education....that is where the best chance for success is...for most kids....because how many really go on and be a pro player......but many more can, and do benefit from an education......baseball.....the frosting on the cake......and like you say....if you want it bad enough....you'll find a way.....but.....many times....it's easier to work a basketball hoop......think your little brother is very lucky to have you in his corner.....
FYI--Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio has been HAMMERING Gumbel on his show today.
Now DAN PATRICK is all over it on his radio show.
Yesterday, after the morning shows on KFBK and Rush Limbaugh, the afternoon show host was all over Dumble and now the morning hosts are at it again. So far, at least three of them have called Dumble a racist. The best one came from the sports anchor. He said he looked Dumble up in Webster's Dictionary and found the following for Bryant Dumble - Self Aggrandising, Bigot, Racist and J*ck*ss. Final comment was that he's a self aggrandising, bigoted j*ck*ss. That about say it all!
I wonder why it took almost 10 days for it to really hit the fan? Now if we could only figure out a way to get rid of Tim F. McCarver
this is the best I could do on the subject. If I were to say what was on my mind, I would be fired!!! I have lots to say about this but it's best if I kept my mouth shut. 
Lots of PC **** going on out there. Its the Media, guys. They want everyone to know that they are sensitive to the needs of the little guy and the minority. So, as soon as someone who is not a minority says something controversial, they are all over him. They have created the double standard.
Here's one for you. You put together 3 guys, Manny R. Albert P and Derek Jeter. Now, you have never seen these guys in your life, OK.
Some one asks you, what race are they? Are you going to say 1 black and 2 hispanic!
Fact is, many hispanics are black but come from a different country.
To me, that means that close to 50% of MLB players are black.
Black is a race or color, hispanic is not.
It is a certain nationality or heritage.
Its PC junk because when the talent shows up to play, I don't care what you look like, you're going to play.
Gumball, Dumbell, whatever you call him, is just another blowhard.
Here's one for you. You put together 3 guys, Manny R. Albert P and Derek Jeter. Now, you have never seen these guys in your life, OK.
Some one asks you, what race are they? Are you going to say 1 black and 2 hispanic!
Fact is, many hispanics are black but come from a different country.
To me, that means that close to 50% of MLB players are black.
Black is a race or color, hispanic is not.
It is a certain nationality or heritage.
Its PC junk because when the talent shows up to play, I don't care what you look like, you're going to play.
Gumball, Dumbell, whatever you call him, is just another blowhard.
Glove,
That article - in addition to being very accurate - also does a wonderful job - IMO - in summing up the genuine essence of this guy.
He has never wavered - from start to finish - a true POS. IMO.
That article - in addition to being very accurate - also does a wonderful job - IMO - in summing up the genuine essence of this guy.
He has never wavered - from start to finish - a true POS. IMO.
Here is an article by Michael Wilbon from the Washington Post about "White" Basketball players, I thought it was somewhat relevant. I heard him on the radio the other day discussing the subject with Tony Kornheiser.
Here is a quote from the article:
"There's no issue of exclusion. But it is the pink elephant in the room a lot of folks don't want to acknowledge. And it's akin to black Americans disappearing from Major League Baseball at a similar rate.
What we've got here, Legler and Mullin agree, is a story not nearly as much about race as it is about culture."
An Issue That Follows the NBA Like a White Shadow
Here is a quote from the article:
"There's no issue of exclusion. But it is the pink elephant in the room a lot of folks don't want to acknowledge. And it's akin to black Americans disappearing from Major League Baseball at a similar rate.
What we've got here, Legler and Mullin agree, is a story not nearly as much about race as it is about culture."
An Issue That Follows the NBA Like a White Shadow
G-Man - Thanks (I think.)
I would, however, not want Nathan Porter to write my epitaph!
ND - Sorry. I stopped reading Wilbon, just before the century and at about the same time Kornheiser stopped being entertaining. And to be on MNF, (and good-bye TK radio show), as a Miller cc (nah).
Regards,
Bear
I would, however, not want Nathan Porter to write my epitaph!
ND - Sorry. I stopped reading Wilbon, just before the century and at about the same time Kornheiser stopped being entertaining. And to be on MNF, (and good-bye TK radio show), as a Miller cc (nah).
Regards,
Bear
Bear, not sure i want him to do mine either, I just found the article and posted it. 
Mike and Mike in the morning, ESPN talk show, has discussed Dumbel's comments the last couple days. Glad to see that it has got some national attention.