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Indians08,

"Like the old Maddux, it shows that location is as important as speed, maybe more important."

I wish more young kids realized this....all you ever hear is pitchers want to throw hard....its about throwing strikes and hitting spots"

While I agree with you, I could not disagree more.
If you pitch like Maddux your playing time will be limited on most teams. A young man who I started teaching how to pitch once he was brought home from the nursery has given up two earned runs and two unearned runs since sophomore year in high school. He is now a Junior. A total of 27 and a third innings pitched. As a "designated relief pitcher" most if not all of those appearances are when the starter or most likely the hard throwing relievers are in trouble. Although he was not scheduled to be in relief on Saturday, when the number one relief pitcher found himself in trouble he came in with bases loaded and no outs. One run scored on a Sac fly the rest were retired. He has not been scheduled in the pen the last two played game or today. Total of two earned one in 27 and a third innings pitch but he does not throw hard enough
to be an impact player. Oh well so is life. Thank God for travel baseball. They actually let him start games. He even wins a few.
When my son was playing his first collegiate games in Florida last month, he saw two nationally ranked pitchers in his D3 arena. They were not overpowering at all, but hit their spots, threw great off-speed stuff, and used all parts of the strikes zone. They both are seniors which reminded me of how things were in high school, pitchers getting better as they advanced through their school years.

As hitters mature, fastballs become easier to hit, so they say. Thats when the pitchers need to be more challenging. So far I've seen kids throw 3,4,5 curveballs or change-ups in a row with the hitter figuring that they will see that fastball soon. These pitchers have become more un-predictable. Buehrles' stuff was working, and don't forget, it was cold as well. Just my observations.
SOX

World Champion's in 2005.

No hitter by Buehrle in 2007.

as opposed to:

Cubs

100 million wasted on a 1 way player and 2 pitcher's off the scrap heap.

and let's not forget the annual MASH unit brother's, Prior and Wood!

I'll give them props for hiring a top notch manager even though it didn't work with the last top notch manager!
I have to admit, it was a well-pitched game.

It should be pointed out that pitching a no-hitter is hardly a sign of greatness. Here is a list of some of the no-hit pitchers of the past:
"Noodles" Hahn, Johnny Lush, Hooks Wiltse, Nap Rucker, Hod Eller, Jimmy Lavender,Dazzy Vance, "Pud" Galvin (twice)....the list of ordinary pitchers goes on and on. Shoot, even Wilson Alverez threw one!
FastballDad....

You bring up another interesting thing, at least to me, of how unusual some of the names/nicknames of the players were in the past. "Three-finger" Brown, "Shoeless Joe" Jackson, etc. I have always had a weird interest in names of players in our modern era that reminded me of some of the players from the past, no....I'm not that old, yes I am!!!!!!!! That should be done on a separate topic.
FastballDad.....

That's cold man!!!!!

Well I guess we have the "self proclaimed" nickname, or one given to us, ala "Boomer". Because my last name has to do with field artillery, hence the nickname.

No, what I was referring to besides nicknames was the players actual name. Here is an example. Remember about 12-15 years ago the Cubs had a pitcher who's name is "Heathcliff Slocumb." A name like that, to me, reminds me of the names of some early day ball players. A few others that come to mind are Rollie Fingers, Oil Can Boyd, Nellie Fox, you see, names like that!!!

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