I know this sounds like a weird question, but has anyone ever heard of a kid with a scholarship not making the spring roster (i.e. they don't perform well enough in Fall ball to keep on the roster)?
just wondering if anyone has heard of that scenario or if a scholarship player is pretty much guaranteed at least one spring on the roster.
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I am sure that our post expert on the rules Rick knows this answer and will provide you with the "correct" response.
If I had to guess, my answer would be that the scholarship player has a spot on the roster, reason being that he is one of (at least) 27-counters players on scholarship, and these counters will be on the roster even if they get injured or if they cannot play for some (odd) reason. If the player performed bad during fall, most likely he will not see much action and not be in the travel squad, but still be in the roster.
SanDiegoRealist posted:I know this sounds like a weird question, but has anyone ever heard of a kid with a scholarship not making the spring roster (i.e. they don't perform well enough in Fall ball to keep on the roster)?
just wondering if anyone has heard of that scenario or if a scholarship player is pretty much guaranteed at least one spring on the roster.
You haven't indicated if player is a freshman. This is not a common practice among coaches, cutting freshman scholarship players because of a bad fall. At this time of year, the player should know where he would stand for spring, and if he doesn't play is entitled to a redshirt year.
Just curious, if your son is in HS, why the question?
Yes, freshman scholarship players have been cut.
Unless you are the coach, chances are you don't know the full story.
I know players who were cut supposedly because of partying issues, discipline issues, attitude issues, classroom issues.
Obviously not a significant number because most performance "cuts" come during the end of season evaluation meetings during which the new scholarship amount is revealed (for those without four-year guarantees). (Keep in mind, the coach doesn't expel the player from school, just cuts him from the team.)
Guys will get cut. Doesn't matter if player is on scholarship or walk on. I would guess a freshman would be redshirted and posiibly told that the future isn't bright at the end of the season. Even four year guaranteed scholarships players can/will be cut. Rare I'm sure, but nothing is guarateed in college baseball.
I know a kid whose progression over four years was starter, platoon player, utility player, cut. He still received his scholarship senior year. For a freshman, unless it's a behavior or grades issue chances are he will be redshirted.
Know a kid on a large percentage scholarship going into sophomore year (did not play much as freshman), was basically told going into the month of December that it would be best for him to find a place to play in the spring, and that they would help him as best that they could........as he was not going to play there.
Not playing 2 years in a row was not much of an option, even if school was basically free if playing baseball was important.
russinfortworth posted:Know a kid on a large percentage scholarship going into sophomore year (did not play much as freshman), was basically told going into the month of December that it would be best for him to find a place to play in the spring, and that they would help him as best that they could........as he was not going to play there.
This is usually how it's done.
Still waiting for answer why this question was asked as I am assuming the OP son is in HS.
TPM posted:russinfortworth posted:Know a kid on a large percentage scholarship going into sophomore year (did not play much as freshman), was basically told going into the month of December that it would be best for him to find a place to play in the spring, and that they would help him as best that they could........as he was not going to play there.
This is usually how it's done.
Still waiting for answer why this question was asked as I am assuming the OP son is in HS.
He is, just curious if it ever happens.
No freshmen but sophomores and up for sure. One was redshirted frosh season and was told in post fall meeting the things he would need to do to contribute to the team, he quit then and there. Others are told no place here, go elsewhere for playing time etc and most do. To have the scholarship pulled for 2015s and beyond would be a discipline/academic/behavior related issue, otherwise scholarships are locked in as long as they are on team. Some thought they would just ride it out...not sure how that works.
I've seen it done at each year in college. One freshman recruit was in trouble drinking under age and driving. I've seen it done for other rules violations. I've seen 3 year starters lose their scholarships as well due to actions taken during the summer between their junior and senior years. (Theft)
SanDiegoRealist posted:I know this sounds like a weird question, but has anyone ever heard of a kid with a scholarship not making the spring roster (i.e. they don't perform well enough in Fall ball to keep on the roster)?
just wondering if anyone has heard of that scenario or if a scholarship player is pretty much guaranteed at least one spring on the roster.
Yes. I know of a player who was on campus in the Summer before freshmen year taking classes....at the request of the coaches. Previously, he signed an NLI while a high school senior. He got into some legal issues in the Summer and again in the Fall, and couldn't keep his nose clean. He left during the freshmen semester break (saw the writing on the wall), but my understanding is he could have been on the team in the Spring under scholarship. He chose not to stick around.
SanDiegoRealist,
this is a link to a lengthy discussion on the site. It involves the impact on those who signed NLI's in November of 2009 with a school which then had a coaching change following the 2010 season. As you can see, while the coach agreed to honor the one year scholarship, he made it clear, abundantly clear, those players would never step on the field or be part of the team. Not exactly "cut" but....
This happens with many coaching changes. However, it is usually a bit more subtle.
http://community.hsbaseballweb...want-u-even-with-nli
I may be wrong but these days that isn't a common practice. Coaches know and understand that it's not the players fault. Things happen. Good coaches establish rules and hope that the players will buy into their philosophy, and I think players are given every chance to succeed with the new coach.
JMO
Scholarship players are also "ignored" into transferring. None of these kids want to sit and a spring on the pine will drive the message home very clearly.
infielddad posted:SanDiegoRealist,
this is a link to a lengthy discussion on the site. It involves the impact on those who signed NLI's in November of 2009 with a school which then had a coaching change following the 2010 season. As you can see, while the coach agreed to honor the one year scholarship, he made it clear, abundantly clear, those players would never step on the field or be part of the team. Not exactly "cut" but....
This happens with many coaching changes. However, it is usually a bit more subtle.
http://community.hsbaseballweb...want-u-even-with-nli
There's no malice intent behind this but I followed this story because it struck me as an example of college coaches forgetting the point of college athletics ... sounds like the coach had some demons and maybe the kids who were cut back in 2010 after being offered by UNLV were better off after all. Best of wishes to all involved including the coach who I hope is dealing with his own demons
