This is a link to a story that is in our local paper. I feel that this has no place in the paper. This is a personal issue and should be dealt with in private. Not even a High School players privicy is respected.
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Thanks Doc, I really would like to here some comments on this one.
The school has their standards== apparently the young man ran afoul of them in his freshman year--thus this is nothing new him and his family-- if his grades are that bad there is no college for him anyway
Academics first sports second is my rule !!!
As for it being in the paper someone had to give the paper the info !!!
Academics first sports second is my rule !!!
As for it being in the paper someone had to give the paper the info !!!
See this all the time in Chicagoland. What is the surprise?
Usually the kids have problems for a 6 or 8 week grading period.
Obviously he has had academic problems since his freshman year...according to the story.
Instead of feeling bad about losing the kid for the season, the coach should ask himself what he could have done to have the kid avoid the problems last fall.
Next...In my opinion, and knowing how goofy some parents are about these kinds of things where school districts are involved, I would suppose we should expect a lawsuit against the school district so the kid can play in the springtime.
Disappointed for the young man but he knew or should have known what would happen if he didn't meet the minimum standards of the school district.
Usually the kids have problems for a 6 or 8 week grading period.
Obviously he has had academic problems since his freshman year...according to the story.
Instead of feeling bad about losing the kid for the season, the coach should ask himself what he could have done to have the kid avoid the problems last fall.
Next...In my opinion, and knowing how goofy some parents are about these kinds of things where school districts are involved, I would suppose we should expect a lawsuit against the school district so the kid can play in the springtime.
Disappointed for the young man but he knew or should have known what would happen if he didn't meet the minimum standards of the school district.
Don't all jump me at once but I had a few thoughts:
1. The student would have had to received several "Deficiency Report" prior to failing. Heck, I'm filling them out today for my kids.
2. I don't know if anyone remembers any of the lawsuits about "property rights" but several years ago, we had a string of lawsuits across the state by kids that could prove that they were being considered for Division I scholarships and so, several of those that were throw off of the team for "violations" were put back on the team. I can name (but I won't) one coach in our area that resigned because a young man was ordered by the court to be placed back on the team.
3. How does a coach know the radar readings of a kid in the fall? If he is throwing in a fall league then I understand. If he is practicing then... (I'm not saying the coach is bending the rules, it is just something I wondered from the article.)
4. Is anyone aware that now if a "Coach" or any teacher discusses a player's grades with a teacher or counselor that you have to document that meeting, make sure it is in a file that the parents have access to and also advise the parents that something has been added to the player's file. We just had a "inservice workshop" on this and the changes made in the privacy laws regarding minors. In fact, that coach has a very hard time now getting any grades for their players if that school is following these new standards. (Note, many schools haven't had this workshop as of yet and so, I don't think that they are accountable until either the inservice is held or this next school year.)
Well, these are just a few thoughts!
1. The student would have had to received several "Deficiency Report" prior to failing. Heck, I'm filling them out today for my kids.
2. I don't know if anyone remembers any of the lawsuits about "property rights" but several years ago, we had a string of lawsuits across the state by kids that could prove that they were being considered for Division I scholarships and so, several of those that were throw off of the team for "violations" were put back on the team. I can name (but I won't) one coach in our area that resigned because a young man was ordered by the court to be placed back on the team.
3. How does a coach know the radar readings of a kid in the fall? If he is throwing in a fall league then I understand. If he is practicing then... (I'm not saying the coach is bending the rules, it is just something I wondered from the article.)
4. Is anyone aware that now if a "Coach" or any teacher discusses a player's grades with a teacher or counselor that you have to document that meeting, make sure it is in a file that the parents have access to and also advise the parents that something has been added to the player's file. We just had a "inservice workshop" on this and the changes made in the privacy laws regarding minors. In fact, that coach has a very hard time now getting any grades for their players if that school is following these new standards. (Note, many schools haven't had this workshop as of yet and so, I don't think that they are accountable until either the inservice is held or this next school year.)
Well, these are just a few thoughts!
Doesn't it seem at times that rules are made to hurt the kid striving to maintain academic stability--they seem to prevent the boy from getting the assistance that he needs
Where are this young man’s parents and/or guardians? The coach can only do so much.
Well I guess we can all sit here and ask where the coaches and parents were, but what about his own responsibility? I mean if he has division 1 schools looking at him that much, why wasn't he motivated himself to find help or go up and beyond what it takes to achieve the grades to play. I see it all the time in high school where these star athletes think they have it made and forget about the books. Yes, there are some kids that do get by, but then college is a huge reality check and they end up not being able to play freshman year in college because they slacked off in high school and thought they would just waltz through again. From my point of view as a student athlete in high school still, at some point you must blame yourself being a young adult now, not coaches or parents.
Well said pitcher2
Pitcher2,
Responsibility for your own actions!? What a crazy idea. Where do you get these insane ideas from?
Responsibility for your own actions!? What a crazy idea. Where do you get these insane ideas from?
Agree pitcher2.
However...I will agree that putting a high school kid's academic problems in the local paper is not appropriate. The whole town doesn't have a need to know about a kid's struggle with a problem.
What i dont believe is the kid was throwing 88-90 mph. lol
Pitcher2,
You sound like a mature young adult, man. I'll bet you have great parents/guardians. Not all HS students are as blessed. This is obvious by this story.
"Responsibility for your own actions!? What a crazy idea. Where do you get these insane ideas from?"---FROM YOU PARENTS!
You sound like a mature young adult, man. I'll bet you have great parents/guardians. Not all HS students are as blessed. This is obvious by this story.
"Responsibility for your own actions!? What a crazy idea. Where do you get these insane ideas from?"---FROM YOU PARENTS!
beenthere, I have listened to you blame a coach when a player does not get the attention from a college, I have listened to you give no credet to a coach or program when a kid does well, but i never thought that you were such an idiot that you would blame the coach for this kid not passing his classes. How is this the coaches fault? Do you have specific information that the coach did not attempt to help this kid? What about the role of his mom and dad with regards to his grades? This was a problem for this young man a few years ago. Why didn't his parents see the need to stay on him to make sure this didn't happen again. Why do you always want to shift the blame to the coach? If this kid was held accountable at home, end of story.
ballfan, thank gosh I'm not alone, I was beginning to think I was the only one that felt beenthere was a screwball.......
Without a doubt the kid should be held accountable for this! Someone try to explain to me how you can't pass five classes in high school.
kenny, i agree with you. i've seen this kid play and he's not bringing it at 88-90.
kenny, i agree with you. i've seen this kid play and he's not bringing it at 88-90.
It is a sad story, but there are three things:
1. It isn't too much to ask a kid pass his classes.
2. You would think the coach would stay on top of it. I thought that grades mattered during the season in which you compete as to eligibility.
3. There is an invasion of this kid's privacy on this issue. The school shouldn't be making any of this public. If the kid or his family said something, that is one thing but the school should not comment on it.
1. It isn't too much to ask a kid pass his classes.
2. You would think the coach would stay on top of it. I thought that grades mattered during the season in which you compete as to eligibility.
3. There is an invasion of this kid's privacy on this issue. The school shouldn't be making any of this public. If the kid or his family said something, that is one thing but the school should not comment on it.
Beenthere, As moderator of this site I would suggest that you remove the link naming the boy in its entirety. Regardless of who is at fault here, it certainly is not in the boy's best interests to have his name sullied any more than it already is.
Rosy..agreed. I deleted my post with the link. Enough damage has already been done.
ballfan....
Ballfan and FungoMaster...Why the personal attacks?
I'm john petrulis and my telephone number is 815-469-4520.
If you read the article in its entirety, the coach was concerned that he was losing his "best player". Obviously, if I were a coach, I would be sure that my "best player" was eligible to play.
See stories every day about kids being ineligible for 6-8 weeks at a time.
Of course the young man's academic performance needed to be addressed by his parents first and then his teachers and then his coach.
If I have a "stud", as the coach suggests, with a kid hitting 88-90 in high school...I'm making sure I review his schedule and that I stay on top of his academic efforts; and, make certain that he gets tutoring help, if required. Sounds like none of that was done.
I don't care to blame anyone for anything. I really don't give a .... about something over which I have no control. If I was a coach, however, it would have mattered to me and I would have done something about it; and, therefore, the coach should shoulder some of the blame for what has happened.
Ballfan and FungoMaster...Why the personal attacks?
I'm john petrulis and my telephone number is 815-469-4520.
If you read the article in its entirety, the coach was concerned that he was losing his "best player". Obviously, if I were a coach, I would be sure that my "best player" was eligible to play.
See stories every day about kids being ineligible for 6-8 weeks at a time.
Of course the young man's academic performance needed to be addressed by his parents first and then his teachers and then his coach.
If I have a "stud", as the coach suggests, with a kid hitting 88-90 in high school...I'm making sure I review his schedule and that I stay on top of his academic efforts; and, make certain that he gets tutoring help, if required. Sounds like none of that was done.
I don't care to blame anyone for anything. I really don't give a .... about something over which I have no control. If I was a coach, however, it would have mattered to me and I would have done something about it; and, therefore, the coach should shoulder some of the blame for what has happened.
I havent read all the posts...but one thing came to mind
Has the school and press left them self open to legal infractions? What im saying is that student records are private information..now I know in college you hear about players being ineligiable...but maybe it has something to do with over/under 18.....I know this may be far feched...but it was a thought
Has the school and press left them self open to legal infractions? What im saying is that student records are private information..now I know in college you hear about players being ineligiable...but maybe it has something to do with over/under 18.....I know this may be far feched...but it was a thought
Ok I read the other posts
dont get the personal attacks
"you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em' drink"
Im sure they gave this kid chance after chance after chance...if he couldnt figure it out after a final warning...he never would have....I think when you have college baseball in your future, its easier to stay motivated in the classroom
But......we dont know the whole story and maybe never will..maybe their were no warnings...maybe there was to many and the coach and administration took it personal
all we can say is if we think it is right or wrong that this issue was exposed
dont get the personal attacks
"you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em' drink"
Im sure they gave this kid chance after chance after chance...if he couldnt figure it out after a final warning...he never would have....I think when you have college baseball in your future, its easier to stay motivated in the classroom
But......we dont know the whole story and maybe never will..maybe their were no warnings...maybe there was to many and the coach and administration took it personal
all we can say is if we think it is right or wrong that this issue was exposed
I asked one of the administrators at the school today about the possible infractions and I was told that this information, in no way should have come from the school. I don't know if the school informed the paper or what the chain of events was, but as I understand it, the school would be completely wrong to make any comment about this kids grades. Two years ago the law was changed and that is why you hardly hear injury reports during college sporting events anymore. There is a privacy issue at stake. In the last two years, colleges will issue a statement that states a player was suspended for breaking a team rule without any specifics. However, if a player is being investigated by local or state police, many times a press releases is issued (pierce from Iowa). Law inforcement is not held by the same limitations that high schools and colleges are. This is how I understood what I was told today. Hope this adds some insight from the school side of things.