Can you or Can't you throw over

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Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Can you or can’t you throw over Dead Ball territory? Some of my fellow umpires say yes you can BUT I've been taught you cannot throw over dead ball territory. You must come out and throw over live ball territory. Where is it in Fed rules?

In Fed, if you go into DBT, it's a dead ball. If you're referring to some weird field setup where you can get behind DBT, then you're allowed to throw "over" it.

Think about it this way: if a foul ball goes behind the fence and the wind blows it back onto the field (obviously, before bouncing) and the catcher catches it, what are you calling? Why would a throw be any different?

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Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Can you or can’t you throw over Dead Ball territory? Some of my fellow umpires say yes you can BUT I've been taught you cannot throw over dead ball territory. You must come out and throw over live ball territory. Where is it in Fed rules?

You may not come out of DBT and continue play in FED.

Not being in dead ball territory just a strange configuration where you throw "over" dead ball territory.
yawetag do you know the Fed rule? and thanks!

Actually no rule set you can't, however, some ground rules do not allow it. A local college had bull pens down both lines and were recessed. They were considered live ball but to throw home it meant throwing over dead ball. Their ground rules required you to come out and throw from there. They finally put a fence to close off the bull pen so that ground rule went away.

Thanks MST that's exactly what I was asking BUT how about in High School? Is there a FED rule?

The field I had in Kentucky had a weird shape where you could throw over deadball territory. Starting at home plate the fence went toward the outfield fence but about 30 feet past third base it went out / away from the field at 90 degrees for about 12 feet and then another 90 degree turn back toward the outfield fence. This little cut out area was where the bullpen was on both sides. On the outside of the fence at the first 90 degree turn was a light pole.

You could have a ball in this area and throw over the two fences back towards the plate. But there was a chance you could hit the pole in deadball territory. I always explained the ground rules as that if a ball got over there they could throw over the two fences but if they hit the pole or it didn't get over then it was out of play. In my 9 years as head coach and one as assistant coach a ball never came into that area and the way the field was set up there had to be a huge mess up for a ball to get over there.

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Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
Thanks MST that's exactly what I was asking BUT how about in High School? Is there a FED rule?

No. If anything, it would be a ground rule.

In my research the only thing I have come up with is Rule 8-3-3c 2 What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by POLOGREEN:
In my research the only thing I have come up with is Rule 8-3-3c 2 What do you guys think?

Not relevant. I think you are reading the part about going over a fence too literally--it's referring to a ball that passes over a fence and touches something in DBT.

Nothing addressed it Fed or NCAA, it is a ground rule per ballpark.

Thanks MST...I guess I'm just trying to find somthing! Thank you guys for all your help!

It is not addressed, technically it isn't illegal unless a ground rule makes it illegal.