Rawlings Quatro 2017...this is the replacement bat (original was sent back due to another issue) so they sent a new one and said no warranty for this one....so cap came off..is it fixable or even worth trying? if so, anyone know who or how fixes them? thx in advance
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Clear, 2-Part epoxy should work...
thanks Bolts....do you know if the bat would be deemed illegal if its recognized as having the cap glued back on?
I can't see it being deemed illegal... It's not gonna improve performance.
I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
uncoach posted:I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
I can't see any umpire looking at a bat closely enough to know if you glued the cap back in.....just don't wrap the end of the bat in orange duct tape and it should be fine. End caps aren't supposed to come out....I don't see an ump taking a screwdriver and trying to pry open an endcap to see if anyone has messed with the insides of the bat.
Buckeye 2015 posted:uncoach posted:I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
I can't see any umpire looking at a bat closely enough to know if you glued the cap back in.....just don't wrap the end of the bat in orange duct tape and it should be fine. End caps aren't supposed to come out....I don't see an ump taking a screwdriver and trying to pry open an endcap to see if anyone has messed with the insides of the bat.
None of what you stated refutes my post that the bat is likely no longer in compliance with BBCOR bat rules.
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three things...........
1. the bat is now illegal.............it has been altered from manufactured state and is no longer certified as BBCOR legal.
2. No explanation can be accepted to allow the use of the bat in an NFHS game one it has been brought to the attention of the Umpire. Uncoach stated it very well that : The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the end cap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
3. Now that Umpires are relieved of checking bats by NFHS, it would have to be brought to our attention that the bat was altered. If it showed any abnormality, the bat would be deemed illegal and the batter who stepped into the box with that bat would be declared out.
piaa_ump posted:three things...........
3. Now that Umpires are relieved of checking bats by NFHS, it would have to be brought to our attention that the bat was altered. If it showed any abnormality, the bat would be deemed illegal and the batter who stepped into the box with that bat would be declared out.
Not trying to start an agument....I'm just wondering how in the case of the OP's original question would this ever be brought to an umpires attention. The only thing I can think is if the cap would happen to come off during an at bat and whoever picked it up noticed that it had glue on it. Even at that, I'm willing to bet that most people would be surprised to know that the caps don't have glue on them in the first place. I'm not trying to advocate using illegal bats....just wondering at what point that just gluing a defective end cap back on would ever come up in the course of a game where it would end up being an issue.
piaa_ump posted:three things...........
1. the bat is now illegal.............it has been altered from manufactured state and is no longer certified as BBCOR legal.
So, if a grip wears out, and you out a new one on, hasn't the bat "been altered from manufactured state "...?
Just asking...
No because the grip is not on until finishing. Manufacturing is building the bat itself.
Also if the batter is out for an illegal bat the coach is restricted to the bench for the rest of that game. Imagine if a coach is restricted and finds out that the player knew the bat was illegal. I don't know if that would go over too well with the head coach!
Speaking of knowing and imagining:
What if the glue didn't hold and the cap flew off and injured someone, or the cap flew off and the un-capped bat hit C or Ump. I'm not a lawyer but I'm guessing that would be a liability issue.
thanks guys...decision easy...getting a different bat
Just epoxy it on! It the manufacturer did this it wouldn't be an issue! Have you ever looked at the end cap after it came off? There was nothing to hold it on in the first place except maybe some trace of cheap glue and thus bound to work its way off eventually. It has no bearing on the performance unless IT ISN'T THERE. So do yourself a favor and epoxy it back on; it will be an improvement over the bat you purchased--or rather the replacement you were sent!
Absorber will it lose pop with the cap glued back on?
ABSORBER posted:Just epoxy it on! It the manufacturer did this it wouldn't be an issue! Have you ever looked at the end cap after it came off? There was nothing to hold it on in the first place except maybe some trace of cheap glue and thus bound to work its way off eventually. It has no bearing on the performance unless IT ISN'T THERE. So do yourself a favor and epoxy it back on; it will be an improvement over the bat you purchased--or rather the replacement you were sent!
not entirely true........Rule on bats.......NFHS Rule 1 Section 3 article 2 (5)...
End Cap- The end cap is made of rubber, vinyl, plastic or other approved material. It shall be firmly secured and permanently affixed to the end of the bat so that it cannot be removed by anyone other than the manufacturer, without damaging or destroying it.
Meaning there should be some indication that the cap was off. Once the cap is off, its non- compliant.
Well, I'm no baseball bat engineer but I'm thinking it loses pop if it is missing. For the simple reason being that without the cap, some compression at the end of the bat is lost. Most bat barrels are hollow at the end. My simple-minded example would be hitting a baseball with a one-gallon plastic milk jug without the cap on vice with the cap on. Without the cap the jug will crush on contact and with the cap the baseball will propel away from the jug as the air is compressed within an enclosed space. Of course a baseball bat barrel is a heck of a lot stiffer than a plastic milk jug!
There will be no indication; I epoxy them on all the time. Baseball bats are cheaply manufactured regardless of what the consumer actually pays. End caps come off all the time--unless its one I've epoxied on myself. Trust me, you can't tell its been affixed back onto the barrel. It's impossible unless you remove it (and that would destroy the end cap due to the epoxy being such a strong bond) and examine the chemical properties of the adhesive.
I don't care if it's non-compliant. I just care about the $$$ I spent on a cheaply manufactured baseball bat from China (like everything else in this world).
End caps pop off ALL THE TIME. That's because they are not properly affixed by the manufacturer. It is simply a result of the compression in the barrel when hitting the ball at the end (where it is hollow). The forced air pops the end cap off because it is not properly sealed. Just take a look at the tiny strand of cheap glue on the plastic end cap.
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I guess this is a known issue with this bat. The reasoning for me posting this picture is that the end cap is not a just a basic end cap.....it is an integral part of the inner wall system. the end cap is connected to the inner wall and not just to the outer wall of the bat.
I'm guessing you could glue it, but not knowing the manufacturing process I cant imaging it performing up to specs.
Definitely won't be buying that bat!
But still should have no problem epoxying it back. The only issue I see is whether that black rubber piece on the other end of the plug will remain tight withing the barrel. If it is not it may rattle around.
End cap are always affixed to the inner wall. Nothing is attached to the outer wall of the bat itself. Which is why a properly re-glued (epoxied) end cap or "plug" (as in the picture) cannot be detected. It is hidden within the bat.
From the photo, it would seem that that white residue is the "glue" and that corresponds with a shadow on the inside of the outer wall...... the plug seems to be inserted into the inner wall but I don't see any glue residue,
I do see damage to the no tamper strip near the top of the plug (as you call it)..........My confidence that "glue the end cap" will fix this bat is down to zero............
probably make a passable $300 cage bat.....
ABSORBER posted:End caps pop off ALL THE TIME. That's because they are not properly affixed by the manufacturer. It is simply a result of the compression in the barrel when hitting the ball at the end (where it is hollow). The forced air pops the end cap off because it is not properly sealed. Just take a look at the tiny strand of cheap glue on the plastic end cap.
All the time? I have never seen one pop off in 23 seasons of umpiring. If they did, they'd probably pop off during the weekly compression tests, too.
Matt13 posted:ABSORBER posted:End caps pop off ALL THE TIME. That's because they are not properly affixed by the manufacturer. It is simply a result of the compression in the barrel when hitting the ball at the end (where it is hollow). The forced air pops the end cap off because it is not properly sealed. Just take a look at the tiny strand of cheap glue on the plastic end cap.
All the time? I have never seen one pop off in 23 seasons of umpiring. If they did, they'd probably pop off during the weekly compression tests, too.
Me too. You have some years on me but the only time I ever saw a cap come off a bat was when I pried one off an old bat to make a makeshift extender so I could get more torque on a pipe wrench.
It was not easy getting the cap off the bat, but the extender worked.
I am an umpire and have coached for 20+ years. I have also purchased 50 or more bats in the last 18 years for my kids--and still have most of the receipts (hidden from my wife)! They pop off all the time. Maybe your experience with a bat is from behind the plate? Ask any parent of a kid who has played Tee Ball through high school who has shelled out $$$ on bats (aluminum, composite, half and half, BBCOR, etc.) and they will tell you bats either cracked or had the end caps pop off. Little league kids would go through two or three bats a season (non BBCOR) because of one of the aforementioned issues. Perhaps the new USA Baseball stamped bats will be different but I highly doubt it! Can't fix a cracked bat but you can certainly put the end cap back on!
so the Rawlings bat has a history of the cap popping off?? Guess that makes my decision easier....was considering buying the new model of the quatro (rawlings) but probably not now
I believe that's at the top of the Rawlings bat lineup, so no small investment. Epoxy that SOB back on that SOB and be done with it, and have no guilty conscience that you did anything to alter or break any rules whatsoever! Did you juice, shave, roll or alter the performance characteristics of the bat? NO, if anything you have lowered it's performance, however I can guarantee that once reattached (unless there is some other unknown damage to the barrel, which COULD have contributed to the cap separating in the first place) there will be NO difference in "pop". Reading some of these posts, one may believe there is some sort of NASA inspired top secret technology or even magic by which these bats are assembled. NOPE, they are glued by some kid in the Philippines... Caps DO separate, I've seen it in a game. Was the bat confiscated for inspection? Was the players integrity challenged? Nope.
So would you throw out a bat with a rattle yet no damage to the outside of the bat?
PitchingFan posted:So would you throw out a bat with a rattle yet no damage to the outside of the bat?
Hell no!!! I'd pop the SOB'n cap the hell off, fix the rattle and epoxy that SOB the hell back on!!! jk
LOL!!!
PitchingFan posted:So would you throw out a bat with a rattle yet no damage to the outside of the bat?
Might be good for BP, but that bat's now illegal, too.
