Rawlings Quatro 2017...this is the replacement bat (original was sent back due to another issue) so they sent a new one and said no warranty for this one....so cap came off..is it fixable or even worth trying? if so, anyone know who or how fixes them? thx in advance
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Clear, 2-Part epoxy should work...
thanks Bolts....do you know if the bat would be deemed illegal if its recognized as having the cap glued back on?
I can't see it being deemed illegal... It's not gonna improve performance.
I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
uncoach posted:I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
I can't see any umpire looking at a bat closely enough to know if you glued the cap back in.....just don't wrap the end of the bat in orange duct tape and it should be fine. End caps aren't supposed to come out....I don't see an ump taking a screwdriver and trying to pry open an endcap to see if anyone has messed with the insides of the bat.
Buckeye 2015 posted:uncoach posted:I'm not sure this bat would still be in compliance with BBCOR. From a metal bat standpoint, nothing would stop a person from taking the cap off, removing one of the stiffening rings inside (or having the bat shaved) and gluing the cap back on. These things make the bat exceed BBCOR ,50 specs. The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the endcap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
I can't see any umpire looking at a bat closely enough to know if you glued the cap back in.....just don't wrap the end of the bat in orange duct tape and it should be fine. End caps aren't supposed to come out....I don't see an ump taking a screwdriver and trying to pry open an endcap to see if anyone has messed with the insides of the bat.
None of what you stated refutes my post that the bat is likely no longer in compliance with BBCOR bat rules.
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three things...........
1. the bat is now illegal.............it has been altered from manufactured state and is no longer certified as BBCOR legal.
2. No explanation can be accepted to allow the use of the bat in an NFHS game one it has been brought to the attention of the Umpire. Uncoach stated it very well that : The umpire cannot differentiate between the well-meaning person who just wants to glue the end cap back on or the person looking for a competitive advantage (a cheater).
3. Now that Umpires are relieved of checking bats by NFHS, it would have to be brought to our attention that the bat was altered. If it showed any abnormality, the bat would be deemed illegal and the batter who stepped into the box with that bat would be declared out.
piaa_ump posted:three things...........
3. Now that Umpires are relieved of checking bats by NFHS, it would have to be brought to our attention that the bat was altered. If it showed any abnormality, the bat would be deemed illegal and the batter who stepped into the box with that bat would be declared out.
Not trying to start an agument....I'm just wondering how in the case of the OP's original question would this ever be brought to an umpires attention. The only thing I can think is if the cap would happen to come off during an at bat and whoever picked it up noticed that it had glue on it. Even at that, I'm willing to bet that most people would be surprised to know that the caps don't have glue on them in the first place. I'm not trying to advocate using illegal bats....just wondering at what point that just gluing a defective end cap back on would ever come up in the course of a game where it would end up being an issue.
piaa_ump posted:three things...........
1. the bat is now illegal.............it has been altered from manufactured state and is no longer certified as BBCOR legal.
So, if a grip wears out, and you out a new one on, hasn't the bat "been altered from manufactured state "...?
Just asking...
No because the grip is not on until finishing. Manufacturing is building the bat itself.
Also if the batter is out for an illegal bat the coach is restricted to the bench for the rest of that game. Imagine if a coach is restricted and finds out that the player knew the bat was illegal. I don't know if that would go over too well with the head coach!
Speaking of knowing and imagining:
What if the glue didn't hold and the cap flew off and injured someone, or the cap flew off and the un-capped bat hit C or Ump. I'm not a lawyer but I'm guessing that would be a liability issue.
thanks guys...decision easy...getting a different bat
Just epoxy it on! It the manufacturer did this it wouldn't be an issue! Have you ever looked at the end cap after it came off? There was nothing to hold it on in the first place except maybe some trace of cheap glue and thus bound to work its way off eventually. It has no bearing on the performance unless IT ISN'T THERE. So do yourself a favor and epoxy it back on; it will be an improvement over the bat you purchased--or rather the replacement you were sent!
Absorber will it lose pop with the cap glued back on?
ABSORBER posted:Just epoxy it on! It the manufacturer did this it wouldn't be an issue! Have you ever looked at the end cap after it came off? There was nothing to hold it on in the first place except maybe some trace of cheap glue and thus bound to work its way off eventually. It has no bearing on the performance unless IT ISN'T THERE. So do yourself a favor and epoxy it back on; it will be an improvement over the bat you purchased--or rather the replacement you were sent!
not entirely true........Rule on bats.......NFHS Rule 1 Section 3 article 2 (5)...
End Cap- The end cap is made of rubber, vinyl, plastic or other approved material. It shall be firmly secured and permanently affixed to the end of the bat so that it cannot be removed by anyone other than the manufacturer, without damaging or destroying it.
Meaning there should be some indication that the cap was off. Once the cap is off, its non- compliant.
Well, I'm no baseball bat engineer but I'm thinking it loses pop if it is missing. For the simple reason being that without the cap, some compression at the end of the bat is lost. Most bat barrels are hollow at the end. My simple-minded example would be hitting a baseball with a one-gallon plastic milk jug without the cap on vice with the cap on. Without the cap the jug will crush on contact and with the cap the baseball will propel away from the jug as the air is compressed within an enclosed space. Of course a baseball bat barrel is a heck of a lot stiffer than a plastic milk jug!
There will be no indication; I epoxy them on all the time. Baseball bats are cheaply manufactured regardless of what the consumer actually pays. End caps come off all the time--unless its one I've epoxied on myself. Trust me, you can't tell its been affixed back onto the barrel. It's impossible unless you remove it (and that would destroy the end cap due to the epoxy being such a strong bond) and examine the chemical properties of the adhesive.
I don't care if it's non-compliant. I just care about the $$$ I spent on a cheaply manufactured baseball bat from China (like everything else in this world).
End caps pop off ALL THE TIME. That's because they are not properly affixed by the manufacturer. It is simply a result of the compression in the barrel when hitting the ball at the end (where it is hollow). The forced air pops the end cap off because it is not properly sealed. Just take a look at the tiny strand of cheap glue on the plastic end cap.
