Has the talent level dropped that far in central florida, or are the scouts just not interested, or plain missing the high school players. No players taken on the first day.
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2004 was WAY off, 2005 will be somewhat better, but, not as it has been in years 2001-2003 !!!!!
Things work this way in the game of baseball!
Things work this way in the game of baseball!
I know of two high school players that would have been picked
in the first 3 rounds but made it known on Sunday that college
was very important as well and would not sell their services
short.
in the first 3 rounds but made it known on Sunday that college
was very important as well and would not sell their services
short.
Right !!! 
Many hopes destroyed in this year draft, not only for C.Fla. but for the whole state. 
A lot of top prospects, gonna have to go to school.
A lot of top prospects, gonna have to go to school.
prospects have to produce at some point in their baseball lives. When they have a history of never producing, their value goes down. You can be built like Adonis and be as projectable as you like, but, if you swing a bat like my 7 year old daughter, you're not going to get paid the $$$..
Or, you can swing the bat like Billy Butler and dance to the bank !!!!
Or, you can swing the bat like Billy Butler and dance to the bank !!!!
baseball 1, you have a valid point to a degree, but if your 7 year old daughter is good enough to get a baseball scholarship
to a top 25 college I want to know what you're feeding her.
Please don't profess to know the inner workings of the draft unless you have first hand knowledge and I won't either.
I'm only stating facts, not rumor.
to a top 25 college I want to know what you're feeding her.
Please don't profess to know the inner workings of the draft unless you have first hand knowledge and I won't either.
I'm only stating facts, not rumor.
I've got first hand facts.................
would not state otherwise.
Sorry if you're on the outside looking in!
would not state otherwise.
Sorry if you're on the outside looking in!
FRANKIE VIOLA FROM FCCJ AND UCF AND LAKE HIGHLAND WAS PICKED IN 29TH RD.BY WHITE SOX.I DON'T SEE IT. SAW HIM IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE (WHEN HE WAS ON THE FIELD WHICH WASN'T OFTEN). DOES HIS NAME HELP HIM WITH THE SCOUTS?
"Sorry if you're on the outside looking in !"
Another factless statement.
Another factless statement.
There were several kids, top players whom had
really good seasons, and still, didn't get drafted, like Mcfadden, Strauss, Brown, Taylor and some others. I don't understand, maybe the school they comited to, had something to do with that?
really good seasons, and still, didn't get drafted, like Mcfadden, Strauss, Brown, Taylor and some others. I don't understand, maybe the school they comited to, had something to do with that?
Could it be that their communications to the MLB clubs about their "price tag" to give up college was to HIGH ?
Remember, this would be to high for the team !!! Most of the times, parents value their sons (in terms of $$) at much higher than a MLB team does. When this happens and the price tag is to high, MLB will ----pass on that player.
Knowing the names on your list, I would say the communications to the teams indicated a price far above what the teams were willing to pay. These players are very good players, but, may think their value more than reality.
This is often times called a REALITY CHECK !!
Remember, this would be to high for the team !!! Most of the times, parents value their sons (in terms of $$) at much higher than a MLB team does. When this happens and the price tag is to high, MLB will ----pass on that player.
Knowing the names on your list, I would say the communications to the teams indicated a price far above what the teams were willing to pay. These players are very good players, but, may think their value more than reality.
This is often times called a REALITY CHECK !!
As a parent of a player that was not drafted, could have been drafted, you can make all the assumptions that you wish. Every situation is different, and whatever decisions where made as a family should be respected, whether it was about money, what round, strong college commitment, etc. and most importantly refusing to consider JUCO as a draft and follow. There are many fine players in Florida as well in the country that were not drafted for one reason or another. I think that many were not because they looked at the situation a lot more realistically than you may think. We congratulate all who got drafted and very excited for those who will sign and begin their pro careers this summer, it is an honor an accomplishment, no sour grapes here at all. But it is also an honor for those that signed at schools like Stanford, LSU, Tulane, Duke, Clemson, Princeton, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Miami. Being awarded scholarhips to attend these schools and play baseball took many years of hard work in and out of the classroom and they should be applauded as well. Getting drafted would have been the easy part for many, signing was a whole other issue. We felt that when our son signed his NLI back in November, he made a commitment and he was not going to be drafted just to be drafted. If things don't work out for him in three years, realistically, that was the chance taken. But I'll bet he is going to have a whole bunch of fun, coverage and attention (not to mention a great education from a fine school) in the mean time.
Softhands,
The schools, the scholarships that these players committed to definetly had something to do with it. Our sons don't look at it as hopes destroyed as you have stated, you are making a generalization. It will be interesting to see in three, four years whose hopes have been destroyed, these top ranked players who HAD to play for top ranked high profile college teams because they did not get drafted or the ones who got drafted, never signed with hopes to improve their draft round later on. I find it very interesting that scouts, advisors have already made contact with schools regarding their new undrafted recruits and are already out there this summer at the games, keeping an eye out for future first or second rounders. These boys have been followed for years, just because for whatever reason they did not get drafted, doesn't mean their progress won't be followed any longer. I myself find it interesting that we have gotten several calls over the past week to meet with advisors before my son heads off to college.
The draft is not way off, but the fair market value is, maybe somewhat lower than it was a few years ago, and for some this did make a difference in their decision. It will be interesting to see this year's bonus.
Softhands,
The schools, the scholarships that these players committed to definetly had something to do with it. Our sons don't look at it as hopes destroyed as you have stated, you are making a generalization. It will be interesting to see in three, four years whose hopes have been destroyed, these top ranked players who HAD to play for top ranked high profile college teams because they did not get drafted or the ones who got drafted, never signed with hopes to improve their draft round later on. I find it very interesting that scouts, advisors have already made contact with schools regarding their new undrafted recruits and are already out there this summer at the games, keeping an eye out for future first or second rounders. These boys have been followed for years, just because for whatever reason they did not get drafted, doesn't mean their progress won't be followed any longer. I myself find it interesting that we have gotten several calls over the past week to meet with advisors before my son heads off to college.
The draft is not way off, but the fair market value is, maybe somewhat lower than it was a few years ago, and for some this did make a difference in their decision. It will be interesting to see this year's bonus.
Well stated, but, I bet in between all this posturing and rationalizing is one simple truth:
The price tag was higher than the demand for those services.
Work hard, commit to maturing, becoming better and maybe, just maybe, the price tag will be met later. If not, you'll have to settle for reality and the hopes of playing after 3 years for market value which WILL be set again by others and not yourself!!
The price tag was higher than the demand for those services.
Work hard, commit to maturing, becoming better and maybe, just maybe, the price tag will be met later. If not, you'll have to settle for reality and the hopes of playing after 3 years for market value which WILL be set again by others and not yourself!!
In some instances the price tag was higher than the demand for services on purpose! Contrary to what you might believe, some parents are smart enough to realize that if someone wants to take a flyer it is worth it, otherwise they will go to school. That is a conscious decision. It doesn't make them unrealistic.
One only has to look at this years draft to realize that getting the best player available for the team that was not the driving force of this draft. The object was to get the most signable. A good thing for college ball and a bad thing for MLB teams. The number one requirement to be drafted was signability. Teams are so afraid of intelligent kids with good scholarships that they don't even try to draft them. MLB has a scholarship program, but doesn't want to use it. Even though they know that only 7 per cent of the athletes do go back.
No rationalization, no posturing. Just an observation. The value will be set by others and always has been. It also will be lower than it is now and MLB will miss out on some great talent who will join the workplace instead.
One only has to look at this years draft to realize that getting the best player available for the team that was not the driving force of this draft. The object was to get the most signable. A good thing for college ball and a bad thing for MLB teams. The number one requirement to be drafted was signability. Teams are so afraid of intelligent kids with good scholarships that they don't even try to draft them. MLB has a scholarship program, but doesn't want to use it. Even though they know that only 7 per cent of the athletes do go back.
No rationalization, no posturing. Just an observation. The value will be set by others and always has been. It also will be lower than it is now and MLB will miss out on some great talent who will join the workplace instead.
Keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder-- what you think is a prospect may not, in fact, be prospects in the pro scouts eyes
It is what it is, dont beat yourself up about it
It is what it is, dont beat yourself up about it
Big,
Thanks for the back up, well stated.
Tr,
You are correct in your statement, however after reading about our county's player of the year just now (2 years in a row), I don't think he was not drafted because he was not an excellent prospect.
Thanks for the back up, well stated.
Tr,
You are correct in your statement, however after reading about our county's player of the year just now (2 years in a row), I don't think he was not drafted because he was not an excellent prospect.
Just to use this- player taken in the 7th round out of HS signs for 120k.. that is not good news for any Hs player taken after him because all the teams have access to this info.. another point is all these teams have rosters to fill and currently only a handful of players have signed. lots of players holding out hoping that the money becomes available and hopefully it will but currently looking at the signings not looking to promising
IF players hold out, the money will increase some as summer moves on.
However, as these players and their families are impatient and falling to the pressures from the ML clubs to "sign right now", it will put more pressure on late summer dollars to be limited.
The current situation is that ML baseball is actually in collusion to hold signing bonuses down and are succedding by "hard selling", pressuring and pinching families and players to "sign now"..
NEVER in draft history were more pre-draft deals made, more phone calls made during the Monday hours before and during the draft. MLB is working HARD to reduce signing bonuses and is succeding as more players have signed earlier than ever before.
MLB is succeding because of this "frenzy" !!!
Be patient, the money is out there, but, if you WANT TO SIGN NOW, you'll suffer and leave money on the table. That's fine if it's what you want to do, but, you must be aware of what's going on !!!!
Patience leads to more money !!
However, as these players and their families are impatient and falling to the pressures from the ML clubs to "sign right now", it will put more pressure on late summer dollars to be limited.
The current situation is that ML baseball is actually in collusion to hold signing bonuses down and are succedding by "hard selling", pressuring and pinching families and players to "sign now"..
NEVER in draft history were more pre-draft deals made, more phone calls made during the Monday hours before and during the draft. MLB is working HARD to reduce signing bonuses and is succeding as more players have signed earlier than ever before.
MLB is succeding because of this "frenzy" !!!
Be patient, the money is out there, but, if you WANT TO SIGN NOW, you'll suffer and leave money on the table. That's fine if it's what you want to do, but, you must be aware of what's going on !!!!
Patience leads to more money !!
I think that smart realistic parents DO realize the possibilities. To some parents (I may be making generalizations) repositioning in the draft three years later may be a priority, to others, it may be just getting those three, four years of college underway first and let the chips fall. Point is, whatever the decision, it is personal and thought out with the reality that it might be worse or it may be better. A players decision to sign this year or whatever year should be because he is ready to go to work NOW, not take the money and run (whether it be a lot or a little)IMO. What is right for one, may not be right for others.
Agreed, but, let me give you a TRUE, right now example...........
Team works out player in their home stadium on Saturday.......tells player they will take him 5th through 8th round.........player says fine, but, I will not sign for under $200K....................................................Team calls on Monday as draft begins and says, will you sign for $125K..............players says, HE** no, the number is $200, like we discussed.............................................team calls back during draft, will you take $140K ?...................you're getting closer, we'll negotiate...........................team drafts player and pressures player to sign at 140 (COMPLETLY disregarding $200 number)........................team calls, says they have contract ready, plane ticket to site where he'll be assigned, will be there TONIGHT!!!!!!!!.............player says come, but, number not right yet..................................scout meets with family, tells them they MUST sign right now, big plans for the player, MUST do, they agreed if team drafted them there....................advisor and friends say, they'll pay the money, but, you will have to wait a while toward end of summer........................scout continues pressure, threatens family and player..........................family gets worried about not getting ANY money, worried that the team will withdraw their offer (my thought would be OK, so, withdraw the DAM* offer, my number is $200)...................family panics, tells team if they'll pay 150, he'll sign..........................................................................family doesn't understand patience.........................................player signs for 150K.............................................................gone on the plane.................................
Who won ?
Who caved in ?
Why ?
Becasue he "wanted to play ball now ?".............he'll NOT have an opportunity to make that $50K until he negotiates a new contract in 4 or 5 years!!! ALL for the sake of going NOW vs. playing some summer ball while waiting and showing the team they BETTER pay the $200 or they'll lose him to a D-1 or JUCO and have to wait on him ?.........................NO, they signed now and lost BIG TIME !!!!!!!
You make the call, this is a very common situation going on right now with a LOT of 5th-8th round picks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Collusion !!!!!
It is NOT right !!!
pressure, threats, sales tactics, that's always been part of the "business of baseball", but, with Sandy Alderson tells the ML clube, "You can NOT pay a post 5th round pick more than $160K", then, THAT's collusion..............but, ONLY if families and players allow it to happen and not be patient for their REAL $$ amount!!!!
Team works out player in their home stadium on Saturday.......tells player they will take him 5th through 8th round.........player says fine, but, I will not sign for under $200K....................................................Team calls on Monday as draft begins and says, will you sign for $125K..............players says, HE** no, the number is $200, like we discussed.............................................team calls back during draft, will you take $140K ?...................you're getting closer, we'll negotiate...........................team drafts player and pressures player to sign at 140 (COMPLETLY disregarding $200 number)........................team calls, says they have contract ready, plane ticket to site where he'll be assigned, will be there TONIGHT!!!!!!!!.............player says come, but, number not right yet..................................scout meets with family, tells them they MUST sign right now, big plans for the player, MUST do, they agreed if team drafted them there....................advisor and friends say, they'll pay the money, but, you will have to wait a while toward end of summer........................scout continues pressure, threatens family and player..........................family gets worried about not getting ANY money, worried that the team will withdraw their offer (my thought would be OK, so, withdraw the DAM* offer, my number is $200)...................family panics, tells team if they'll pay 150, he'll sign..........................................................................family doesn't understand patience.........................................player signs for 150K.............................................................gone on the plane.................................
Who won ?
Who caved in ?
Why ?
Becasue he "wanted to play ball now ?".............he'll NOT have an opportunity to make that $50K until he negotiates a new contract in 4 or 5 years!!! ALL for the sake of going NOW vs. playing some summer ball while waiting and showing the team they BETTER pay the $200 or they'll lose him to a D-1 or JUCO and have to wait on him ?.........................NO, they signed now and lost BIG TIME !!!!!!!
You make the call, this is a very common situation going on right now with a LOT of 5th-8th round picks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Collusion !!!!!
It is NOT right !!!
pressure, threats, sales tactics, that's always been part of the "business of baseball", but, with Sandy Alderson tells the ML clube, "You can NOT pay a post 5th round pick more than $160K", then, THAT's collusion..............but, ONLY if families and players allow it to happen and not be patient for their REAL $$ amount!!!!
Baseball,
Sign because YOU want to go play. I am hearing a story about a kid getting drafted very low but wants a shot, willing to take anything, kudos to him. Now, isn't that what it is all about?
Player could have waited, but does make for a stressful summer. Whatever the reason, that was his decision. Some of us may see it as not what we would have liked for our sons, but it was HIS choice.
Actually, many families do not want that scenerio played in their home, so as Big suggests, they make the higher dollar demands on purpose,not because the player is "worth more" than offered.
In reality, the kid just really wanted to get it going now, so he signed. He didn't lose out, he is going to do what he really wanted to do, a little less in his pocket, but he is going to get a shot at it. Some may look at it differently, 50K should not stand in the way of playing if that is what you REALLY want to do.
When the scout asks if you are really ready to play,the answer should not be"if the bonus is right".
Only he will know when he gets there if he made the right decision,not me,not you ,not anyone.
Sign because YOU want to go play. I am hearing a story about a kid getting drafted very low but wants a shot, willing to take anything, kudos to him. Now, isn't that what it is all about?
Player could have waited, but does make for a stressful summer. Whatever the reason, that was his decision. Some of us may see it as not what we would have liked for our sons, but it was HIS choice.
Actually, many families do not want that scenerio played in their home, so as Big suggests, they make the higher dollar demands on purpose,not because the player is "worth more" than offered.
In reality, the kid just really wanted to get it going now, so he signed. He didn't lose out, he is going to do what he really wanted to do, a little less in his pocket, but he is going to get a shot at it. Some may look at it differently, 50K should not stand in the way of playing if that is what you REALLY want to do.
When the scout asks if you are really ready to play,the answer should not be"if the bonus is right".
Only he will know when he gets there if he made the right decision,not me,not you ,not anyone.