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My son is addicted to chewing tobacco, despite our repeated warnings and admonitions. Yes, he has seen photos of the havoc o-ral cancer can cause, but he remains unswayed. When we threatened the loss of driving privileges if we discovered him using it, he went underground and fooled us for months. (It did not help that many of the players in his high school program chewed tobacco, with a large spittoon plainly in view in the locker room and the coach choosing to look the other way.)

He recently got a letter from the college AD saying he will be subject to mandatory drug-testing once he arrives on campus. A list of NCAA banned-drug classes was included. It is hard to decipher some of the drugs (stimulants such as nikethamide, etc.). Is chewing tobacco allowed?

Second question: son was informed that he must tell the school if he is taking any type of vitamin, prescription drug, or supplement. Would chewing tobacco fall under any of these categories?

I hate for son to start off on the wrong foot with the coaches, who may not approve of chewing tobacco, but certainly don't want to get him in trouble with the school or NCAA.

Advice?
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Your son is safe from chew only in the sense that it isn't a tested substance for college competition.

Hopefully this topic will be covered when the HC gives his annual welcome speech. Not sure how much affect it will have, but seeds and gum will replace what his coach allowed in HS (shame on him). Unfortunetly, chew and dip is widely practiced among baseball players and the people who coach them. Ever talk to a scout with his mouth full of chew..YUCK!

A medical questionaire should be sent to be filled out and returned before your son arrives to campus. You need to put down all medications (over the counter and Rx) he takes, this goes on record and discussed if he gets a physical from the staff. The trainer will discuss allowed supplements.

When testing, they are looking for stimulants, narcotic and recreational drugs and certain types of steriods that could indicate HGH use.

This is the normal procedure that I am aware for D1.
parent ...

So sorry to hear that your son has developed such a bad addiction to tobacco. I had one, too, but it was to cigarettes ... it was hard to break but finally did with the use of the nicotine patches.

I was surprised at how many players used chew and dip for their 'highs' but it is more prevalent that many of us think it is. Personally I can't imagine putting that stuff in my mouth, but ... they do.

Too bad his high school coach was so lax about the whole matter ... great example ... NOT. I know the NCAA has an anti-tobacco campaign of sorts and hopefully he will benefit from a more stringent coach who really cares about his players when he gets to college.

Good luck.
here's the scoop on Monster

http://ezinearticles.com/?Two-Faces-of-Monster-Energy-D...-or-Enemy?&id=296794

These type of drinks contain high amounts of a legal stimilant, caffeine, however if I recall (not 100% sure) not allowed by the NCAA during competition, due to other ingredients as well I just remember son telling me he can't have a red bull before a game.

They serve coffee in ML dugouts, is that decaf?
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When we threatened the loss of driving privileges if we discovered him using it, he went underground and fooled us for months.


Ah ... The challenges of parenting. I wouldn't worry too much about the caffeine laden sports drinks and the punishment that could or could not result from their use. The coaches will educate your son and will spell out what he's supposed to do and the punishment if he doesn't abide by the rules. That's pretty cut and dry in the coach/player relationship. Enforcing rules on the baseball team is not an emotional action.

On the tobacco issue. It basically sounds as if you're doing your part. Just curious ---- AFTER you were fooled for months and THEN discovered his continued use, how long did you take away his driving privileges? ---- And did you increase the punishment because he lied about it or did you just view your threat as ineffective? I'm not real big on threats ---- I use that phase of parenting to describe the results for transgression.
Fungo
Fungo, looks like it's time to hit us over the head with a wet noodle for poor parenting. He did lose driving privileges for a few days -- and was grounded for more than that for lying -- but we caved when it seemed that nothing would dissuade him from his horrible habit. He's a pretty good kid but was adament about wanting to continue.

We continue to place articles on his bed with horror stories about o-ral cancer, encourage him intermittently to at least cut down (currently at 2 cans per week), and hope that something/someone will eventually knock some sense into his hard head.

Thanks to all who provided the requested information and insights.
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Parent,

I hope this advice helps. I am a hardliner when it comes to tobacco use. It is a drug that my family does not handle well. Some families have to worry about heart disease, some diabetes, my family tobacco.

So when I found a tin of chewing tobacco in my son's car the summer before he entered college, I explained to him the hazards of it and asked him to do the right thing for himself and not use it again. He said he was only trying it and that he wasn't going to use it anymore. He told me I could throw the tin away and I did.

It's one year later and my son is home from college after his freshman year. He is 19 years old now and can legally do what he wants. I find out he is chewing again despite telling me he wouldn't.

So I told him that his use of tobacco was his business but that I don't support tobacco use in any way. If a person asked for a match to light his cigarette I wouldn't give him one. This is actually true. I will not loan money for the purchase of tobacco products either. When my boss asked for cigarette money I told him no. I also told him that I couldn't care less if he smokes or not and would never preach to him about the dangers of smoking. Just don't expect me to help you do it.

So I told my son that I cannot participate in his tobacco use. I told him that it is obvious that baseball is a driving force in his continued use of it. Since I don't support tobacco use I can no longer support his baseball or college, as supporting these is supporting his habit.

I then told him that he doesn't have to listen to me. He can choose to get a student loan, a job, his own car plus insurance and his own place. Then he can chew all the tobacco he wants.

So he says to me, "What if I tell you I won't chew anymore." I told him that he has already said that to me without meaning it so that wouldn't be enough proof for me. I told him I want a sample of his hair so I can test it for tobacco. And that I would need a sample once a month. It was at this point in the conversation that he started to realize that I was dead serious and that giving up the chew was a small price to pay to maintain his current life style.

We talked some more as well. I told him that his grandpa would have been dead before he was 40 if he hadn't stopped smoking. He quit for good when he was 38 because he couldn't stop coughing up phlegm. His doctor, after no other suggestions seemed to help, told my dad to give up smoking for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks my dad felt so much better that he never smoked again. It's been 40 years now.

I told him that better people than him have found themselves addicted to tobacco. I told him about a guy I played basketball with. This guy was very successful and had every phase of his life in order. He said to me once, "You know, I'm disciplined in all aspects of my life. I can handle anything on the job, I have my finaces in order, I take care of my family, I eat right and I exercise. But I can't stop smoking. It's the most difficult thing in the world to do." I will never forget the defeated look on his face as he said this.

So I finished up our discussion by telling my son that I loved him and that his life was much more important than baseball and I would do everything in my power to help him have a long one.

This is a continuing story but as of now he is not chewing. He even brags about it. I told him that it will get tougher in the fall when he is back at college playing fallball.

I hope he doesn't challenge me and start chewing. We will all miss him at home if he does. But my daughter will get a bigger bedroom out of it.
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Parent,

I hope this advice helps. I am a hardliner when it comes to tobacco use. It is a drug that my family does not handle well. Some families have to worry about heart disease, some diabetes, my family tobacco.

So when I found a tin of chewing tobacco in my son's car the summer before he entered college, I explained to him the hazards of it and asked him to do the right thing for himself and not use it again. He said he was only trying it and that he wasn't going to use it anymore. He told me I could throw the tin away and I did.

It's one year later and my son is home from college after his freshman year. He is 19 years old now and can legally do what he wants. I find out he is chewing again despite telling me he wouldn't.

So I told him that his use of tobacco was his business but that I don't support tobacco use in any way. If a person asked for a match to light his cigarette I wouldn't give him one. This is actually true. I will not loan money for the purchase of tobacco products either. When my boss asked for cigarette money I told him no. I also told him that I couldn't care less if he smokes or not and would never preach to him about the dangers of smoking. Just don't expect me to help you do it.

So I told my son that I cannot participate in his tobacco use. I told him that it is obvious that baseball is a driving force in his continued use of it. Since I don't support tobacco use I can no longer support his baseball or college, as supporting these is supporting his habit.

I then told him that he doesn't have to listen to me. He can choose to get a student loan, a job, his own car plus insurance and his own place. Then he can chew all the tobacco he wants.

So he says to me, "What if I tell you I won't chew anymore." I told him that he has already said that to me without meaning it so that wouldn't be enough proof for me. I told him I want a sample of his hair so I can test it for tobacco. And that I would need a sample once a month. It was at this point in the conversation that he started to realize that I was dead serious and that giving up the chew was a small price to pay to maintain his current life style.

We talked some more as well. I told him that his grandpa would have been dead before he was 40 if he hadn't stopped smoking. He quit for good when he was 38 because he couldn't stop coughing up phlegm. His doctor, after no other suggestions seemed to help, told my dad to give up smoking for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks my dad felt so much better that he never smoked again. It's been 40 years now.

I told him that better people than him have found themselves addicted to tobacco. I told him about a guy I played basketball with. This guy was very successful and had every phase of his life in order. He said to me once, "You know, I'm disciplined in all aspects of my life. I can handle anything on the job, I have my finaces in order, I take care of my family, I eat right and I exercise. But I can't stop smoking. It's the most difficult thing in the world to do." I will never forget the defeated look on his face as he said this.

So I finished up our discussion by telling my son that I loved him and that his life was much more important than baseball and I would do everything in my power to help him have a long one.

This is a continuing story but as of now he is not chewing. He even brags about it. I told him that it will get tougher in the fall when he is back at college playing fallball.

I hope he doesn't challenge me and start chewing. We will all miss him at home if he does. But my daughter will get a bigger bedroom out of it.

Great post. You obviously have done everything in your power to curb things. This much I know from my own experience - an addicted person cannot be talked out of it. They have to figure a way out of it for themselves and often it is the threat of dire health consequences with continued usage.

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