2017LHPscrewball posted:Maybe he was just letting the kid down gently - blaming it on politics instead of ability. Maybe?
4 kids on roster coming from outside of TX. Guess what - only one (freshman) from CO.
Evidently running a 6.60 in the 60 in the spring of your junior year gets you around the "no Colorado" kid rule 
Petey Jones - "Sunshine!"
Breaking: Coach fired.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Honestly I’m glad. I hate to see someone lose a job that has consequences with their livelihood but what he did was out of line.
This situation may turn into the best recruiting opportunity for the Senior prospect from Cherokee HS.
Unfortunately for Jeffcoat, a former MLB pitcher.....his PR skills are a bit rough around the edges. There's likely a bit more to this story that we don't know.
Take another look at the original e-mail. He didn't just say his reasoning was based on concerns about marijuana use. He went further than that and said "you can thank your Liberal politicians." He could have tried to justify his decision based solely on marijuana use. But, he went further than that. He chose to make a gratuitous political statement. Frankly, that was probably the main purpose of the e-mail all along. The guy's an idiot. He got what he deserved.
And, for the record, I am anti-legalization of pot. Also, And from what I have seen, conservative vs. liberal is an imperfect gauge for predicting support for the legalization of marijuana.
MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Well, way to hijack the thread, MAD. We were just getting good and lathered up for a good old fashioned HSbaseballweb 24 page epic thread.
Coach shouldnt gave been fired! Commies in Texas!
There. Now we’re back on track.
The news report does say Jeffcoat was fired “because of the remarks and for violating National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics rules regarding player eligibility.” Maybe his message to the Colorado player was just Jeffcoat’s one-finger salute on his way out the door for other reasons?
Chico Escuela posted:The news report does say Jeffcoat was fired “because of the remarks and for violating National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics rules regarding player eligibility.” Maybe his message to the Colorado player was just Jeffcoat’s one-finger salute on his way out the door for other reasons?
I would think this is a good bet. It is hard to believe anyone could be dumb enough to write that response to a recruit & not know the consequences.
It says a lot when the NAIA twitter tweets the kid and says they’ll find him a home.
"For the same reason, it is more likely for the Colorado kid to have a pot-related eligibility issue. Maybe that likelihood is only 0.00001% higher, but it's higher. The coach elects not to accept that risk and gets cooked for it."
I'm going to agree with the 0.00001%, or maybe 10x that at 0.0001%, but still that is a horrible reason to factor into the recruiting decision. I'd take a quick tour of his social media any day over what state he happens to reside in. I'd go find some prom photos and maybe see who he hung out with and check their social media. I'm betting I'd be 1,000x more accurate than just picking states - no 1,000,000x more accurate.
This approach has absolutely zero to do with how one approaches a lower GPA kid. You have to look at the kid and look at his individual grades (what was his GPA junior year, senior year - trending better or worse) and check out test scores and the overall school test grades (to determine how strenuous the GPA is in the first place). I heard of lots of kids getting a little bit of love from a D1 when the coach pretty much understands the kid might take a 2 year tour at JUCO before arriving on campus.
All sorts of stands a program can, and should, take, but linking some generic high school kid with state politics in an effort to improve/protect the program is not the brightest approach.
19coach posted:It says a lot when the NAIA twitter tweets the kid and says they’ll find him a home.
Man. I gotta get my kid offended.
Maybe the coach was tipped off by the kid scoring 420 on his SAT’s.
Teaching Elder posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Well, way to hijack the thread, MAD. We were just getting good and lathered up for a good old fashioned HSbaseballweb 24 page epic thread.
Coach shouldnt gave been fired! Commies in Texas!
There. Now we’re back on track.
I'm still setting the over/under at 10 pages.
Teaching Elder posted:19coach posted:It says a lot when the NAIA twitter tweets the kid and says they’ll find him a home.
Man. I gotta get my kid offended.
According to PBR the kid has a 4.19 home to first time and a 94 exit velo....finding him a home shouldn't be too tough lol
I am sorry but the entire story made me laugh. Sooooo stupid.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sport...BnbfcL&ocid=iehp
Crazy story for sure. Know the kid and his family. Good people. Student-athlete did not even intend for this to blow up. He shared the coach's response with adult at school who then forwarded it to a long-time successful HS coach friend who then shared it with a couple of other coaches. One of them put together a response which then found its way to the media. Went viral after that obviously.
Maybe we are all underestimating Coach Jeffcoat's level of intelligence?
1. Appears he might have been on his way out anyway?
2. Really liked the kid and knew he wouldn't get an offer from the school?
3. Killed a couple birds with one stone....Got to go out a legend (lol) and get the kid a bunch of free press and more college eyeballs on him in the process?
4. Kid winds up getting multiple offers that he wouldn't have if this never happened?
If any of the above is true.....That's one crafty, lousy ex MLB pitcher!
DesertDuck posted:Maybe we are all underestimating Coach Jeffcoat's level of intelligence?
1. Appears he might have been on his way out anyway?
2. Really liked the kid and knew he wouldn't get an offer from the school?
3. Killed a couple birds with one stone....Got to go out a legend (lol) and get the kid a bunch of free press and more college eyeballs on him in the process?
4. Kid winds up getting multiple offers that he wouldn't have if this never happened?
If any of the above is true.....That's one crafty, lousy ex MLB pitcher!
If he was a catcher, I could see this. Pitcher, not so much.
old_school posted:I am sorry but the entire story made me laugh. Sooooo stupid.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sport...BnbfcL&ocid=iehp
Msn? You are old school.
RJM posted:
Achtung! Jetzt wir singen zusammen die Geschichte Über den schweinköpfigen Hund Und den lieben Red Baron
MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
Go44dad posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
But of course!
By the way, the “H” is silent. :-)
MidAtlanticDad posted:Teaching Elder posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Well, way to hijack the thread, MAD. We were just getting good and lathered up for a good old fashioned HSbaseballweb 24 page epic thread.
Coach shouldnt gave been fired! Commies in Texas!
There. Now we’re back on track.
I'm still setting the over/under at 10 pages.
I’ll lay $5 on the under.
If statsforgnats comes in I’m betting the house on the over.
Teaching Elder posted:If statsforgnats comes in I’m betting the house on the over.
LOL!
Go44dad posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
Well, with Bogart in the joint, just pass it over to me.
Go44dad posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
MidAtlanticDad posted:Go44dad posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
So help me, right before I saw this, this Willie Nelson-Snoop Dogg classic was playing on the radio. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raND-7ODiNo
These postings are becoming a chronic problem.
If you can get past the occasional reference to sugar-honey-iced-tea by this dynamic duo, this is why you should “Just say no!”
hshuler posted:If you can get past the occasional reference to sugar-honey-iced-tea by this dynamic duo, this is why you should “Just say no!”
"Dave's not here."
Funny, most topics get off track around post ten. This one, tho...
Chico Escuela posted:Teaching Elder posted:The "once from Delaware" argument breaks down. In the case of Colorado, the fact that a plurality voted to legalize marijuana speaks to a wide spread cultural position within the state. If you take a kid from Tennessee, he's more likely to have certain cultural traits inherent to Tennessee. He might not, but the odds are that he does. It's just natural. Colorado has decided to take a laissez faire attitude towards pot. That stuff rubs off on the population at large. One would not be off-base to assume that a Coloradan would have a nonchalant view towards using pot.
I agree that employers / recruiters could base decisions on one's state of residence without breaking any laws. But I respectfully disagree that it's OK to judge a person's character or beliefs based upon the state in which they reside--especially if that person is still dependent on his parents and presumably lives where *they* choose.
I live in a state that not too long ago passed some pretty harsh anti-gay laws in a referendum. I can't live in another state unless I win the lottery--I need to work and my job is here. Would you assume I support all of my state's laws? Would you assume that even if I told you that I *don't* agree with them?
As a pure statistical matter, if 51% of Coloradoans support legalized pot, then a person from the state chosen at random is more likely than not to support that position as well. But what if you were a college coach who announced a policy of zero tolerance for marijuana use and then a Colorado HS student chose to apply to your program? How about if you replied to an email from a Colorado kid by clearly stating your drug policy and inviting him to let you know if he was still interested? Would you ignore the kid's follow-up email because he's from a state that legalized pot?
For my part, I still think this coach is very wrong.
Anyhow, thanks for a respectful dialogue. More interesting than what I ought to be working on this morning.
Not to mention, even in states that haven't legalized marijuana, polling shows a majority believe it should be legalized. How about gambling? Would a coach deciding not to take kids from Nevada or New Jersey seem reasonable? Or, worse, refusing to take Native-Americans from tribes that own casinos? This was obviously a political statement by the coach who ironically is from Arkansas, a state that just legalized medical marijuana. Also, having seen the kid, Gavin Bell, play, he would have been a big time recruit for that program. Still might now that a new coach is coming in. TW was on his list for family reasons.
coachld posted:Crazy story for sure. Know the kid and his family. Good people. Student-athlete did not even intend for this to blow up. He shared the coach's response with adult at school who then forwarded it to a long-time successful HS coach friend who then shared it with a couple of other coaches. One of them put together a response which then found its way to the media. Went viral after that obviously.
Watcha wanna bet his recruiting picked up a notch, though? Bell is a strong bat who would have been a major pick up for any NAIA school.
What's really too bad about this is that, given the paucity of out of state kids on the roster, the kid could have been one of the Tokin' Coloradans at Texas Wesleyan. A dream deferred, I guess.
MTH posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Go44dad posted:MidAtlanticDad posted:Breaking: Coach fired.
Stopped reading at the first bad pun. "dreams went up in smoke" smh
Let me be blunt, no matter how high a recruit is on the board, it's a joint decision on bringing a kid into your program. Whether they hit 420 in the outfield grass and blaze around the base paths or just roll a few through the 5.5 hole, a buds got to play by the rules.
I now will enjoy the rest of this broccoli and Texas tea.
Herb, do you agree?
So help me, right before I saw this, this Willie Nelson-Snoop Dogg classic was playing on the radio. :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raND-7ODiNo
I can’t imagine Snoop Dogg ever coming on my radio. It’s bad enough I have “Ring My Bell” buzzing through my head due to constant play of the Walmart ad during the Olympics. Now I can go another forty years without hearing it again.
smokeminside posted:What's really too bad about this is that, given the paucity of out of state kids on the roster, the kid could have been one of the Tokin' Coloradans at Texas Wesleyan. A dream deferred, I guess.
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