Coach etiquette

It is wrong to call church going people jackasses.

Wow and to think that God loves the RHS kids for free

he could have called him a dolphin.

he could have strangled him.

Traveldad, Just can't understand what your agenda for calling this coach out is? Why not call out the dad who felt it necessary to yell out to the playing field? I can truly understand if you do not agree with what he did or said during the game, but to call him out like this on a public message board is cowardly. If you were at the game yesterday why didn't you call him out face to face? Why wait until you were in the comfort of your own home to do this. The head coach at BR is one of the hardest working coaches in the state. He is a coach who is always on the phone calling college coaches, builds a team concept and mentality and allows his kids to play travel ball as well as HS ball in the summer. He holds kids accountable and from many of his former players, they are very loyal and thankful for his efforts. Shame on you for trying to paint a picture of him in a negative light from one game and one instance.

What was the trick play?

Probably the 'ole pretending to throw the ball to an occupied base play. The infielders usually dive in the dirt on a feigned bad throw, and then come up chasing the ball that is supposed to be in the outfield when its really in the pitchers glove. Everyone screams ball ... ball ... ball ... and the runners gets picked off. Gotta love love love the play you know. I see it all the time in good college ball, and a few big league teams every once in a while. I think they pull it once a game. Just can't wait until a baserunner goes back in to the bag and jams hand, or breaks a thumb, on this good 'ole bush play. Maybe then someone, ya know someone might have a conversation with coach that that wouldn't be a a a ba a very enjoyful. But ya know, ya know thats baseball, thats baseball, and teamwork, and good school spirit, and respect of the game, and respect of your opponents, and and its good baseball fundamental teaching, and the parents whoa they go WOOOOW when it works. Its good. Its all all good, its just a good 'ole bush league play.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:

But most importantly for addressing a RHS parent as a jack**s across the field for his disagreement on a trick play attempted by BR.

If I open my mouth, especially in a loud and disparaging manner, I usually expect a less than pleasant retort...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, it's a two way street.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:
By the way coach, that jack**s is an elder in his church ...

And that means what? Being a church elder has no entitlements and should be given no quarter. A person performing the duties of a church elder for the right reasons would understand that.

So who is the jackass? The coach for running the dirty rotten ol' trick play or the fan who thinks that the trick play is sacreligious?

In my opinion, both. Having never personally been a victim of the play (or any of my sons, for that matter) I still find it distasteful. Not exactly the type of sportsmanship we are trying to teach our kids. And during a SUMMER game? But we can all express our disgust in a manner that does not bring embarassment to ourselves or to the game itself.

The play in question was runners at 1st and third fake squueze and steal of second.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

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Originally posted by Traveldad:

But most importantly for addressing a RHS parent as a jack**s across the field for his disagreement on a trick play attempted by BR.

If I open my mouth, especially in a loud and disparaging manner, I usually expect a less than pleasant retort...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, it's a two way street.

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Originally posted by Traveldad:
By the way coach, that jack**s is an elder in his church ...

And that means what? Being a church elder has no entitlements and should be given no quarter. A person performing the duties of a church elder for the right reasons would understand that.

The RHS parent's comment was NOT directed at the coach nor the BR players just a vocal comment. The BR coach chose to call out the parent. JMO, coaches, like umpires, should not engage fans unless those fans are verbally abusive or are interrupting the flow of the game. The BR coach escalated the incident. period.

And no, being an elder certainly should not have any entitlements (and he would be the first to refuse anything resembling one)...but the irony of a Catholic school coach calling a spectator who happens to be a respected elder a jack*** is to say the least interesting. Are you suggesting that because the BR coach is working for his players that he should not be accountable for his behavior? He can do all the things mentioned in the above posts without drawing attention to himself or throwing insults to anyone who may see different.
I'm all for hard play and leaving it between the lines, but humility and self-control should be an expectation (of ALL coaches) not something that's overlooked or excused.

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Originally posted by ballfan:
The play in question was runners at 1st and third fake squueze and steal of second.

No it wasn't.

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Originally posted by ballfan:
Traveldad, Just can't understand what your agenda for calling this coach out is? Why not call out the dad who felt it necessary to yell out to the playing field? I can truly understand if you do not agree with what he did or said during the game, but to call him out like this on a public message board is cowardly. If you were at the game yesterday why didn't you call him out face to face? Why wait until you were in the comfort of your own home to do this. The head coach at BR is one of the hardest working coaches in the state. He is a coach who is always on the phone calling college coaches, builds a team concept and mentality and allows his kids to play travel ball as well as HS ball in the summer. He holds kids accountable and from many of his former players, they are very loyal and thankful for his efforts. Shame on you for trying to paint a picture of him in a negative light from one game and one instance.

We all have our opinions. I have mine, you have yours. I didn'nt like what I saw and heard. you didn't like how i responded to it...I'm cool with that.
Reread my post. Anytime someone takes the time and effort to praise and compliment a team, that coach is the main recipient because they play to his call. But I'll take your last sentence under advisement...it was only one incident. Should I lower my expectations of this coach?

The play was exactly as Play Dog described it (we were hosting the tourney so we had to work it). The funny thing was that they ran it the game before against us and it WORKED. The poor kid on our team doesn't hear the end of it.

Yes!

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Originally posted by LPBaseball21:
The play was exactly as Play Dog described it (we were hosting the tourney so we had to work it). The funny thing was that they ran it the game before against us and it WORKED. The poor kid on our team doesn't hear the end of it.

Pay attention, now...it was not THE PLAY I question it was what happened afterward.

I was the parent, my comment out loud was "nice play" of course it was said sarcastically. Let's not forget that this coach,whom I had not seen before this game is representing his school just like our boys are told they are. Our boys would be reprimanded for the language that this coach was using, why shouldn't the coach be held responsible? Remember, there was more than just the comment to me. There was also yelling at is own players. The Brother Rice team did a great job of coming back to win the game, I just hope they are more proud of winning playing the game than they are of pulling off a successful trick play. And in this case the play wasn't successful anyway, either was their second attempt where the coach has the whole dugout yell "squeeze". Again I say "nice play".

ANTO, despite the opinion of wether this play is appropriate or not, it is within the confines of the game rules, I am not a fan of the trick plays, but ultimately it is the responsibility of the players and the coaching staff to know where the ball is at all times and not to lose their heads. There are rules that detail the use of "verbal interference" as an infraction, but very rarely is that ever addressed. As far the language, you have the right to approach the oppossing coach and convey your thoughts if you were so offended. If I could offer some advice do it privately and professionally so that it has a greater effect.

How is this for coach etiquette....

Runners on 2nd and 3rd and there is a pitching change and when play resumes the team on the bases switches runners?, and then after a strike out, the team in the field is throwing the ball around and the 3rd basemen missed the ball and it lands 1 foot from the 3rd base coach and he wont pick it up, he makes the 3rd basemen walk over from the mound to pick it up. Nice job TT....

U guys should be proud of the fact the Sparks/Copp are another option up there and they do things with class.

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the team in the field is throwing the ball around and the 3rd basemen missed the ball and it lands 1 foot from the 3rd base coach and he wont pick it up, he makes the 3rd basemen walk over from the mound to pick it up.

It's a live ball. He can't pick it up.

On second thought, you probably shouldn't have (I'm assuming) two situations so closely tied there. If there are runners on base, I would hope the defense isn't throwing the ball around..

Bulldog, my fault for not breaking them two up...no when the ball landed by the coach there were no runners and that team in field just had a strikeout and was throwing around horn. Throw from2nd to 3rd guy at mound just went off his glove and landed right next to the coach and he just looked at it and finally the 3rd basemen walked over to get it. Just alot of behavior not needed.

The switching of runners is unacceptable and not only bush league, the parents of that team should be embarrassed.

kid should pick up the ball himself. He dropped it, why can't he jog over and get it, i see kids that are lazier and lazier every year. There are alot of coaches that are bush league though especially at the age of 16 and up. It's not little league anymore, the coaches shouldn't be distracting the batter, talking trash about the other team, having the runner on 3rd sprint down the line clapping his hands, etc. See it all the time and your not teaching the kids how to play the game the right way.

Nails your saying if a ball was at your feet and the player was 25/30 feet away, dead ball no runners you wouldnt pick it up for the kid and toss back? is that what your saying? The ball was less than a foot from the coaches foot in the 3rd base coaching box and the 3rd basemen was at the pitching mound. Give me a break...talk about lazy, a coach cant bend over and throw a ball back and have some common sportsmanship.

Also what is your opinion on the switching runners? I notice you dont mention this cause your only answer could be that is horse**** and you know it.

You also misspoke when you say (your not teaching) you meant coaches in general are not teaching and you perfectly described the lack of class presented by the coach in question. Switching runners is an inexcusable offense and again they should be embarrassed.

Nails...answer this...you mention a bunch of things kids do, answer what the coach taugh his players by bringing them together during a pitching change and told them to switch places? and they did it? What exactly was taugh....

Who was the third base coach you are talking about ?

I am not mentioning names of individuals however a quick read would provide you the answer.

An all D1 Infield, Picher, Catcher and Center Fielder...JUCO D1 Right Fielder and you need to switch runners on the bases?. Inexcusable!

If changing runners, running trick plays on the basepaths and not picking up a ball is the worst coaching etiquette we have going on, then we have a bunch of angels out there coaching.

Fill me in...what's wrong with changing a baserunner? Is it any worst than a coach or manager stalling when getting a pitcher warmed up?

Sounds to me like some people that just don't like each other.

What part of this am I not making clear...

I dont have the runners numbers handy but #24 was on 2nd base and #12 was on third base. The team on the bases was losing.

The team in the field made a pitching change and while the new pitcher was warming up, the runners were standing with the 3rd base coach. After the new pitcher got his throws, the runners went back to their bases, but #24 went to 3rd base and #12 went to 2nd base. The reason was #12 was faster and they needed him to score from 2nd which they must have felt #24 couldnt do on a hit. They were down by 2 runs when this happened.

Maybe the runners simply changed jerseys. Better yet, why didnt the opposing coaches determine this and then what do the rules state?

They didnt change jersey's as you know, they cheated. The opposing coaches did not catch it until after they scored, in fact a inning later.

Pretty typical of this forum to have blantant cheating and people blaming the other team for not catching it.

Apparently this type of stuff is commenplace in certain areas..cause not one person would go against a certain organization and say you are correct this is HORSE****. Not only did the coach cheat, he got his players to buy into it! AND CHEAT.

Was this one of your sons?, or you know the runners?. I mean how can you possibily condone this behavior.

Not commentating on people or organizations.

At our games, the parents watch pretty closley. I am amazed no one picked it up while it was happeneing. Isn't it like batting out of order and an automatic out? Seems like a major and not too smart of a risk in such a close game in that situation. But, it obviously worked.

I agree with Tnhn11 on the ethics and what it teaches kids. My son's friend hit out neihbor's car Friday night. The kid drove away without leaving a note. My son didn't want to snitch, but knew the friend had to fess up. It took a day, but he got the kid to call our neihbors. Sports teach life lessons. I Wonder if #12 nad #24 would leave a note?

If that switch was on purpose, there is no excuse. One could only hope that it wasn't intentional....hard to believe as it seems.

You cant see the numbers of runners on base taking lead offs and who watches as they break huddle and run back to the base.

Fastball - ask yourself a simple question, if you were on 2nd base and went to 3rd base to talk with your coach and the time is back in and you have to return to your base...under what circumstance would you not remember what base your on, and even better 2 baserunners and a coach had to forget in order for that to happen. There is no excuse, it is cheating, bush league baseball.

It is okay to admit one of your own might have an ethics problem.

When it was realized, what transpired from there? Who ended up winning the game? Was there a protest?

When this happened the score was 5-3 and they tied it, the game went into extra innings and the team who pulled the switching of runners won in 9 or 10 innings. The switching of runners did not win them the game, hitting good fastballs did.

Once the run scored and the next pitch is thrown I believe you cannot appeal?,

I know there there are alot of parents from this team on this forum, and I would be doing some serious thinking and wondering if you have to cheat cause the coach is getting nervous, is it worth it.

tnhn11: why infer to me? i have no interest in this other than this board. You just said BLATANT....sounds like someone pulled one over on your coaches. Bet it wont happen again. I AGREE, I WOULD NEVER WANT MY KID TO PLAY FOR THAT TYPE OF A COACH OR PROGRAM. PERIOD.

It just seems you were making excuses for them.

You are correct that will not happen again.

Thank you for being honest.

You state that you could not see the runners uni numbers while they were on base---if this was the case how do you know they changed bases?

I find it odd that you were the only one to notice this if it in fact happened---where were the fielders ?---were they sleeping? Where were your teams coaches? where they also sleeping?

TNHN..

I'm not a coach so I'm not protecting anyone. In error I thought you were saying it was bush to put in a PR after a pitching change. It would never occur to me that someone would reverse the positions of the baserunners.

I still think that the other complaints in this thread questioning "baseball etiquette" were shakey at best. Just because a coach is a jerk doesn't mean it is bad baseball etiquette.