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Unfortunately, he is right.
No news here. Problems for HS baseball players being recruited because of the portal has been discussed on this board for the past 3 years. And there are plenty of articles that have been written about it as well.
Colorado has approx 38 true freshman on its roster.
I hope he does really well, gets opportunities at the pro level and gets out of college sports.
JMO
@adbono posted:No news here. Problems for HS baseball players being recruited because of the portal has been discussed on this board for the past 3 years. And there are plenty of articles that have been written about it as well.
With respect -
There is no one in college sports at the present time who has Deion Sander's influence and media profile...it's not even close. What he is doing at Colorado has upended decades of thought and precedent - it is astonishing. The man is a genius.
No doubt his success, which is the result of his novel approach to coaching and recruiting, will affect how other coaches think and act, and not just in football.
Not sure comparing his words with posters on HSBBW or articles written elsewhere is relevant.
He isn't doing anything different than others are doing. The only difference is that it's a media circus and all about him and his sons.
It should not be that way, JMO.
@TPM posted:He isn't doing anything different than others are doing. The only difference is that it's a media circus and all about him and his sons.
It should not be that way, JMO.
But he is doing things differently because he's able to. I'm sure other HBCUs would love to go into the portal and recruit 4 and 5 star recruits but they can't. That's just one example, but the same goes with the coaching staff, fundraising, etc.
To equate it to baseball, LSU going into the portal is very different than St. Peter's going into the portal.
@SpeedDemon posted:With respect -
There is no one in college sports at the present time who has Deion Sander's influence and media profile...it's not even close. What he is doing at Colorado has upended decades of thought and precedent - it is astonishing. The man is a genius.
No doubt his success, which is the result of his novel approach to coaching and recruiting, will affect how other coaches think and act, and not just in football.
Not sure comparing his words with posters on HSBBW or articles written elsewhere is relevant.
I am a fan of what Deion is doing at CU. But just because he says something at a media session doesn’t make it news. No matter how much influence he has at the moment. He is just a man that’s speaking on a subject he is knowledgeable about - the same as what happens on HSBBW every day. So it’s certainly a relevant comparison in my mind. And his success is more a result of knowing his craft and being honest, transparent, and forthright than anything else. Kids want to play for him because of who he is, what he has done, and his ability to make kids believe that he cares about them. He is at the right place, at the right time, to make an impact. And he is doing it with the power of his personality more than anything novel about his approach to coaching and/or recruiting.
I am a fan of what Bill Snyder did at Kansas State.
But just because he said something at a media session doesn’t make it news. No matter how much influence he had at the moment. He was just a man speaking on a subject he was knowledgeable about - the same as what happens on HSBBW every day. So it’s certainly a relevant comparison in my mind.
And his success was more a result of knowing his craft and being honest, transparent, and forthright than anything else. Kids wanted to play for him because of who he was, what he had done, and his ability to make kids believe that he cared about them. He was at the right place, at the right time, to make an impact. And he was doing it with the power of his personality more than anything novel about his approach to coaching and/or recruiting.
I like to separate the message from the messenger. I'm guessing nobody here disagrees with the message, because we've seen it and shared stories about it over the last few years. Coach Prime is spot on.
You may be questioning the messenger, who is a former two sport professional athlete who made it all about him, and branded himself "Prime Time". It doesn't get more self aggrandizing than that. Twenty years later that former, it's all about me, selfish athlete is leading young men as "Coach Prime" in a Power conference and having some initial success. Maybe he knows what he's doing. Maybe he has no clue. Let's give him a shot to earn our respect, and let's see what he's got in leading young men to become better football players and teammates. Life can be stranger than fiction.
JMO.
@SpeedDemon posted:I am a fan of what Bill Snyder did at Kansas State.
But just because he said something at a media session doesn’t make it news. No matter how much influence he had at the moment. He was just a man speaking on a subject he was knowledgeable about - the same as what happens on HSBBW every day. So it’s certainly a relevant comparison in my mind.
And his success was more a result of knowing his craft and being honest, transparent, and forthright than anything else. Kids wanted to play for him because of who he was, what he had done, and his ability to make kids believe that he cared about them. He was at the right place, at the right time, to make an impact. And he was doing it with the power of his personality more than anything novel about his approach to coaching and/or recruiting.
I'm confused. Who's Bill Snyder and how is he related to this conversation? And was adbono's post copied and pasted in error here instead of being quoted? I feel like I'm missing something.
@fenwaysouth posted:I like to separate the message from the messenger. I'm guessing nobody here disagrees with the message, because we've seen it and shared stories about it over the last few years. Coach Prime is spot on.
You may be questioning the messenger, who is a former two sport professional athlete who made it all about him, and branded himself "Prime Time". It doesn't get more self aggrandizing than that. Twenty years later that former, it's all about me, selfish athlete is leading young men as "Coach Prime" in a Power conference and having some initial success. Maybe he knows what he's doing. Maybe he has no clue. Let's give him a shot to earn our respect, and let's see what he's got in leading young men to become better football players and teammates. Life can be stranger than fiction.
JMO.
Let’s hope Oregon grinds Colorado into dust. Maybe Coach Prime will be humble for a week. The following week Colorado plays USC. It will be the first time in my life I’ve pulled for “that other school.”
@atlnon posted:I'm confused. Who's Bill Snyder and how is he related to this conversation? And was adbono's post copied and pasted in error here instead of being quoted? I feel like I'm missing something.
WHO IS BILL SNYDER??? Classiest coach ever, who took Kansas state from the worst team in the nation to a team that goes to a bowl almost every year. Bill Snyder did it with Underdogs. To this day, K state rarely gets a four or five star player, ever. To me, they are not even in the same conversation. What Snyder did was much harder, and he did it in class. He wasn’t managing top talent, he was getting the most out of the players he had.
Anyway, Coach Prime will be off to the NFL in a year or so anyway.
@anotherparent posted:Anyway, Coach Prime will be off to the NFL in a year or so anyway.
I doubt it. His approach works with young athletes (especially young black athletes). He knows what they want and what they need. And they are flocking to him because of it. I don’t think what he is selling is appealing to older, professional athletes that are making a lot of money. My bet is that he stays in the college ranks, and I hope he does.
@TPM posted:SpeedDemon messed up.
Coach Prime is a bad example of teaching players humility.
I don’t think she messed up. I think she was trying to make a point. But I will be damned if I know what it was.
@TPM posted:Seems to be fixed, whatever it was, it was confusing.
Oh wait, SpeedDemon did copy Al's reply.
You got that atlnon?
I have too many unpleasant memories of Sanders when he played baseball. I wish I could believe he really cared about the "kids". If he really did he would have stayed where he was.
JMO
@TPM posted:Oh wait, SpeedDemon did copy Al's reply.
You got that atlnon?
Yeah, I get that SpeedDemon copied/pasted adbono's post. But I don't know if that was a mistake (i.e. meant to quote adbono's post to indicate that the post is in response to this) or intentional. If it was intentional, I missed the point being made.