I grew up playing for coaches like this----no harm done----and we never had cameras in the gym-----
Honestly, it's hard to imagine how anyone can support such action. Not only did he knock him over to the kids surprise, he KICKED him while he was down. Now that's a female cat move. Who respects that?
The kid, yes kid, had probably been taught to respect authority and I know no matter what happens I have taught my kid to walk away as he has far more to lose then anyone wanting to engage him. I can stand behind him if he acts respectably but it's pretty hard to do if he is disrespectful. Being honest, not many kids are going to pop up and respond in kind to the coach and I assure you if he had, it would be the kid kicked off the team and facing assault charges.
It doesn't sound as if the school or the coach responded with a straight apology with a punishment for the coach. If it had been handled internally, then probably we wouldn't be discussing it now. The real problem is the administration ducked the issue and now they are getting what they deserve for sweeping it under the carpet.
The kid, yes kid, had probably been taught to respect authority and I know no matter what happens I have taught my kid to walk away as he has far more to lose then anyone wanting to engage him. I can stand behind him if he acts respectably but it's pretty hard to do if he is disrespectful. Being honest, not many kids are going to pop up and respond in kind to the coach and I assure you if he had, it would be the kid kicked off the team and facing assault charges.
It doesn't sound as if the school or the coach responded with a straight apology with a punishment for the coach. If it had been handled internally, then probably we wouldn't be discussing it now. The real problem is the administration ducked the issue and now they are getting what they deserve for sweeping it under the carpet.
Judging from some of the responses here it appears Holy Family might be missing a golden opportunity for recruiting the right athletes. All they have to do is use this clip in a recruiting video and they won't get any soft kids in their program. Hey maybe things are looking up after all.
That whole NCAA Division I manual is just a suggestion anyway.....
Actually, after reviewing the tape a few times, I think the coach deserves kudos for knowing exactly how hard to hit his student athlete without inflicting a serious injury like concussion or a detached retina. It takes a really experienced coach to pull it off.
That whole NCAA Division I manual is just a suggestion anyway.....
quote:2.2 The Principle of Student-Athlete Well-Being
Intercollegiate athletics programs shall be conducted in a manner designed to protect and enhance the physical and educational well-being of student-athletes. (Revised: 11/21/05)
2.2.1 overall educational experience.It is the responsibility of each member institution to establish and maintain an environment in which a student-athlete’s activities are conducted as an integral part of the student-athlete’s educational experience. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.2 Cultural Diversity and gender equity.It is the responsibility of each member institution to
establish and maintain an environment that values cultural diversity and gender equity among its student-athletes and intercollegiate athletics department staff. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.3 Health and safety.It is the responsibility of each member institution to protect the health of and provide a safe environment for each of its participating student-athletes. (Adopted: 1/10/95) 2.2.4 student-Athlete/Coach relationship. It is the responsibility of each member institution to establish and maintain an environment that fosters a positive relationship between the student-athlete and coach.
(Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.5 Fairness, openness and Honesty.It is the responsibility of each member institution to ensure
that coaches and administrators exhibit fairness, openness and honesty in their relationships with student-athletes.
(Adopted: 1/10/95)
2.2.6 student-Athlete involvement.It is the responsibility of each member institution to involve
student-athletes in matters that affect their lives. (Adopted: 1/10/95)
Actually, after reviewing the tape a few times, I think the coach deserves kudos for knowing exactly how hard to hit his student athlete without inflicting a serious injury like concussion or a detached retina. It takes a really experienced coach to pull it off.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
I grew up playing for coaches like
That could explain a few things.
There are a lot of practices of the past that, with what we know now, are no longer practiced.
"You live by the sword, be prepared to die by the sword".
I have noticed through my playing years and my sons, a coach that can truely communicate the fundamentals rarely has to raise his voice and when he does he has everyone's attention. Those coaches "who think they know it all" and constantly yell and yes use force because they know the player will not or can't fight back(authority figure), are very frustrated individuals and most always poor communicators. Physical and demeaning attributes are nothing special in sports or life and never will be.
Today, I still honor and respect those coaches who knew how to coach/teach me (many) and still resent those (few) who berated myself and my teammates.
As I try to teach my sons, you will not be remembered by the number of home runs you hit,the strikeouts you have, or the number of wins, but "you will be remembered by how special you make others feel". That truely is the biggest win you will ever have.
I have noticed through my playing years and my sons, a coach that can truely communicate the fundamentals rarely has to raise his voice and when he does he has everyone's attention. Those coaches "who think they know it all" and constantly yell and yes use force because they know the player will not or can't fight back(authority figure), are very frustrated individuals and most always poor communicators. Physical and demeaning attributes are nothing special in sports or life and never will be.
Today, I still honor and respect those coaches who knew how to coach/teach me (many) and still resent those (few) who berated myself and my teammates.
As I try to teach my sons, you will not be remembered by the number of home runs you hit,the strikeouts you have, or the number of wins, but "you will be remembered by how special you make others feel". That truely is the biggest win you will ever have.
quote:Originally posted by rz1:quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Teams wlll first react by supporting their coach, almost always.
To this day, almost to the man, past IU players will say Bobby Knight was one of the most influential teachers in their lives. Pure respect from an athletes POV
I've met a couple of John Wooden's former players. I'd take his old fashioned ways over Knight's old fashioned ways any day.
quote:Originally posted by NP13:
This is why I usually stay out off "opinion" discussions on this site.
COACH 2709 - Yes, I played football and wrestled. We had a big strong old school defensive coordinater, that would hit kids in the chest during drills. If you did not have a strong base it would send kids a$$ over teacups. One of my best coaches ever. During wrestling, college kids would come back during Christmas break and put a beating on the high school kids. Never once would I have thought to cry to my parents. I doubt it was a coincidence that both teams were ranked as high as 2nd in the state my senior year.
Baseballdad 1228 - I have no problem with the way the kid handled it at the time, other then I would have like to see him pop back up quicker. Once this leads to "assault" charges and news clips and lawsuits, that is what I don't like.
rz1 - I agree 100%
"An action within the "code of conduct" may be justified but criminal actions are a bit outside the box. The news this morning stated that the team supported the coach, which suggests is there is more to the story than the 20 second clip IMO."
zombywolf - We just disagree, I have no problem with that, but if that is considered "coldcocked" and deserves assault charges, I would have had to file complaints agains most of my friends during high school.
My disagreement with you is entirely based upon the situation involved. The Coach here is in a position of authority.
I don't know and honestly don't care what the kid (or adult or whatever) did to supposedly warrent being blindsided and then kicked while down. The fact is that physically assaulting a player should be unacceptable under any circumstance. Yes, some of us have memories of coaches grabbing us or giving us a swift kick in the rear but that isn't what this looks like. He nailed him, knocked him down and then kicked him while he was on the ground.
If the coach had grabbed him by the shirt and went nose to nose letting him know that his way is the only way then I wouldn't have had a problem with it. In that case it would have been a given that the coach was trying to impart some kind of lesson on the player. In this case it was simply a matter of one man losing control and assaulting another man. Since that coach is in a position of authority and has the ability to not only take the guy off the team, but probably prevent him from playing for another, the player in question has limited responses to such an attack.
The coach lost control, plain and simple. There doesn't appear to be any effort to teach or discipline a player. Kicking a guy when he is on the ground doesn't teach discipline. Those that talk about tough coaches know that the goal of that coach was to teach and that ultimately the coach was trying to make you a better player and a better individual. Can anyone here really say that this coach was trying to do that?
I played for some tough coaches. And I have played for some coaches who would physically abuse you. I had a hs football coach that had a habit of kicking you in the rear end. He would also take the heel of his hand and bash you in front of the helmet. Verbal abuse never bothered me and it was a good thing because he could lay a cussing on you that would make a Hell's Angel blush. I respected this coach for his ability to coach to game. I respected him for his work ethic. I respected him for his desire to compete. But every time he struck a team mate or put a cussing on someone I lost a piece of respect for him. There was simply no need for it.
Players who are not motivated to do what they need to do to compete are not going to motivated by physical abuse or verbal abuse. They might be intimidated by it. They might be ticked off by it. But they don't respect it and they don't play better because of it. In fact many times they play under pressure of the coach and its a relief when they don't mess up. When the playing days are over instead of fond memories they are simply glad its finally over.
If you have to cuss and physically abuse your players to motivate them or to get them to perform at the level you want them to perform at your not coaching them properly. Your not a coach your a bully. If a kid will not do what he needs to do and it had gotten to the point you want to beat their a s s its probably time to just send them on their way. How anyone can justify this behavior is beyond me. Its not about being tough. It has nothing to do with that at all. JMO
Players who are not motivated to do what they need to do to compete are not going to motivated by physical abuse or verbal abuse. They might be intimidated by it. They might be ticked off by it. But they don't respect it and they don't play better because of it. In fact many times they play under pressure of the coach and its a relief when they don't mess up. When the playing days are over instead of fond memories they are simply glad its finally over.
If you have to cuss and physically abuse your players to motivate them or to get them to perform at the level you want them to perform at your not coaching them properly. Your not a coach your a bully. If a kid will not do what he needs to do and it had gotten to the point you want to beat their a s s its probably time to just send them on their way. How anyone can justify this behavior is beyond me. Its not about being tough. It has nothing to do with that at all. JMO
quote:Your not a coach your a bully.
Yes!
Suspended Holy Family coach O'Connor tells his side of story
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"I just felt like my kids weren't competing," O'Connor said. "I had a film session the day before [the practice]. At the end of it, the Concordia kids throw an alley-oop and they dunk on us and they're all laughing. I was saying to my guys, 'You've got to have more pride, that HF's got to mean something to you, you can't let people walk into your gym and laugh at you.' "
Pretty standard stuff for a coach whose team just got badly beaten. Then, they had the practice.
"It's 5:30 in the morning, it's me and my kids, and I said to them, 'Guys, we're going to compete, you're going to compete against yourself, you're going to compete against the guy next to you, and we're going to compete as a team,' " O'Connor said.
His drill is called "combat rebound." It is about teaching toughness. Two players are in the lane. A coach throws a ball up and the players go after it. If the ball leaves the lane, a new ball comes into play. The drill is supposed to go quickly. Each group probably will get two or three chances to go after the ball.
Just before the incident, the ball had gotten loose a few times and then started to come out of the lane again. O'Connor wanted to get the ball and throw it up again. He went to get it the same time as two players, Kravchuk and a teammate, went after it.
"I instinctively grab it with both hands and, in what they call in basketball, just kind of cleared my space," O'Connor said. "I have always been very hands-on with my players. Normally, it's me that ends up getting hurt. I never had any intention of ever hurting one of my players."
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"I just felt like my kids weren't competing," O'Connor said. "I had a film session the day before [the practice]. At the end of it, the Concordia kids throw an alley-oop and they dunk on us and they're all laughing. I was saying to my guys, 'You've got to have more pride, that HF's got to mean something to you, you can't let people walk into your gym and laugh at you.' "
Pretty standard stuff for a coach whose team just got badly beaten. Then, they had the practice.
"It's 5:30 in the morning, it's me and my kids, and I said to them, 'Guys, we're going to compete, you're going to compete against yourself, you're going to compete against the guy next to you, and we're going to compete as a team,' " O'Connor said.
His drill is called "combat rebound." It is about teaching toughness. Two players are in the lane. A coach throws a ball up and the players go after it. If the ball leaves the lane, a new ball comes into play. The drill is supposed to go quickly. Each group probably will get two or three chances to go after the ball.
Just before the incident, the ball had gotten loose a few times and then started to come out of the lane again. O'Connor wanted to get the ball and throw it up again. He went to get it the same time as two players, Kravchuk and a teammate, went after it.
"I instinctively grab it with both hands and, in what they call in basketball, just kind of cleared my space," O'Connor said. "I have always been very hands-on with my players. Normally, it's me that ends up getting hurt. I never had any intention of ever hurting one of my players."
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
Suspended Holy Family coach O'Connor tells his side of story
link to story
"I just felt like my kids weren't competing," O'Connor said. "I had a film session the day before [the practice]. At the end of it, the Concordia kids throw an alley-oop and they dunk on us and they're all laughing. I was saying to my guys, 'You've got to have more pride, that HF's got to mean something to you, you can't let people walk into your gym and laugh at you.' "
Pretty standard stuff for a coach whose team just got badly beaten. Then, they had the practice.
"It's 5:30 in the morning, it's me and my kids, and I said to them, 'Guys, we're going to compete, you're going to compete against yourself, you're going to compete against the guy next to you, and we're going to compete as a team,' " O'Connor said.
His drill is called "combat rebound." It is about teaching toughness. Two players are in the lane. A coach throws a ball up and the players go after it. If the ball leaves the lane, a new ball comes into play. The drill is supposed to go quickly. Each group probably will get two or three chances to go after the ball.
Just before the incident, the ball had gotten loose a few times and then started to come out of the lane again. O'Connor wanted to get the ball and throw it up again. He went to get it the same time as two players, Kravchuk and a teammate, went after it.
"I instinctively grab it with both hands and, in what they call in basketball, just kind of cleared my space," O'Connor said. "I have always been very hands-on with my players. Normally, it's me that ends up getting hurt. I never had any intention of ever hurting one of my players."
That coaches story don't mean squat. He's not about toughness because only a coward wuss coldcocks and kicks somebody like that. A suspension don't go far enough in this case. Getting fired is the appropriate course of action here.
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I agree with you Jimmy03. John Wooden...top o' the class! Forever.
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- "I've met a couple of John Wooden's former players. I'd take his old fashioned ways over Knight's old fashioned ways any day."
I agree with you Jimmy03. John Wooden...top o' the class! Forever.
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quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
That coaches story don't mean squat.
Oh, I'm not buying it. I think players would like that drill. You don't motivate guys by making them do something they like. When we got whooped, it was push ups and running, the whole practice. Nothing else. You might lose, but you didn't wanna get whooped.
I feel sorry for Coach O'Connor. He had a great opportunity to recover from all this but now after that explanation was printed for all to smell....he's toast. Just a terrible attempt to excuse what is plain to see what happened.
Yep he was jacked about their performance. The team isn't very good. So they have a tough early morning practice. So far so good.
Then he lost it for just a few seconds. Stepped over the line and jacked the kid up. He's probably thinking that Kravchuk is going to just suck it up. Then it hits the fan and some way somehow the video gets out. Oh ****!
Does the District Attorney's Office really want to deal with this? This ain't Mayberry RFD. This is the Philadelphia D.A., they've got tons of really serious crime to prosecute. And the Simple Assault case is a stretch. A summary harassment might just solve the whole thing. It's like getting a speeding ticket. No criminal record.......an apology......and maybe Holy Family covers any medical costs as restitution.
The civil lawsuit.....now that one is going to hurt.
Yep he was jacked about their performance. The team isn't very good. So they have a tough early morning practice. So far so good.
Then he lost it for just a few seconds. Stepped over the line and jacked the kid up. He's probably thinking that Kravchuk is going to just suck it up. Then it hits the fan and some way somehow the video gets out. Oh ****!
Does the District Attorney's Office really want to deal with this? This ain't Mayberry RFD. This is the Philadelphia D.A., they've got tons of really serious crime to prosecute. And the Simple Assault case is a stretch. A summary harassment might just solve the whole thing. It's like getting a speeding ticket. No criminal record.......an apology......and maybe Holy Family covers any medical costs as restitution.
The civil lawsuit.....now that one is going to hurt.
I seriously doubt there will be any criminal charges filed.
I wouldn't doubt a lawsuit is forthcoming though. Not saying the kid should sue or not, just know that it is coming though.
I wouldn't doubt a lawsuit is forthcoming though. Not saying the kid should sue or not, just know that it is coming though.
We have young men risking their lives every day on Iraq and afghanistan. this kid is whining because the coach bumped him or whatever? My advice grow a set and stop whining.
If a teacher had done that to a high school student in Pennsylvania, they'd have fired him before he had a chance to present an explanation.
Let's say as a detective, I put those tactics to work getting a confession out of the same kid. Right or wrong? Maybe it's a homicide?
Or as a father, I "discipline" my wayward son like that and he calls the police......who's going to be in deep doo doo? The domestic violence law says, "you shall arrest upon probable cause."
Like it or not....you can't jack a kid up in school, in the interrogation room or even at home anymore. I'm not defending it.....that's just the way it is.
I got the paddle in school, I got my butt handed to me by the old man and yep there are ways to elicit a confession without making marks but none of that is permissible in the legal sense especially when on video with sound in living color.
Let's say as a detective, I put those tactics to work getting a confession out of the same kid. Right or wrong? Maybe it's a homicide?
Or as a father, I "discipline" my wayward son like that and he calls the police......who's going to be in deep doo doo? The domestic violence law says, "you shall arrest upon probable cause."
Like it or not....you can't jack a kid up in school, in the interrogation room or even at home anymore. I'm not defending it.....that's just the way it is.
I got the paddle in school, I got my butt handed to me by the old man and yep there are ways to elicit a confession without making marks but none of that is permissible in the legal sense especially when on video with sound in living color.
Actually, had that coward coach got in the player's face and challeged him to step outside and settle it, he'd have gotten a little more respect than the punk move he pulled. At least this way, the player had a fair shot to deck that stooge.
I would be embarrassed if that were my son. The kid
needs to grow a pair. I'm waiting for the lawyer to get involved.
needs to grow a pair. I'm waiting for the lawyer to get involved.
Holy Family basketball coach resigns, won't be charged
Five days after video circulated showing he had shoved a player and hours after a national television appearance in which his apology was not accepted, John O'Connor resigned Thursday as Holy Family University basketball coach.
The incident pushed Holy Family into the national spotlight, never more so than Thursday morning, when O'Connor and Matt Kravchuk appeared on ABC's Good Morning America. Prompted by host George Stephanopoulos, O'Connor apologized, and Kravchuk rebuffed him.
"To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology," Kravchuk said. "I can't play for you anymore."
After saying he could not accept the apology, Kravchuk added, "As your player I'm supposed to respect you, and I can't do that anymore."
Kravchuk's attorney, Jack Cohen, said he would not pursue the criminal complaint through an appeal to Municipal Court, and reiterated that he had "no intention of filing any civil lawsuit."
This was O'Connor's first year as Holy Family's coach. On Good Morning America, he said he had been proud of Kravchuk's progress as a player: "Matt worked extremely hard. . . . I just feel it's unfortunate that I'll never get the chance to coach him again."
Five days after video circulated showing he had shoved a player and hours after a national television appearance in which his apology was not accepted, John O'Connor resigned Thursday as Holy Family University basketball coach.
The incident pushed Holy Family into the national spotlight, never more so than Thursday morning, when O'Connor and Matt Kravchuk appeared on ABC's Good Morning America. Prompted by host George Stephanopoulos, O'Connor apologized, and Kravchuk rebuffed him.
"To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology," Kravchuk said. "I can't play for you anymore."
After saying he could not accept the apology, Kravchuk added, "As your player I'm supposed to respect you, and I can't do that anymore."
Kravchuk's attorney, Jack Cohen, said he would not pursue the criminal complaint through an appeal to Municipal Court, and reiterated that he had "no intention of filing any civil lawsuit."
This was O'Connor's first year as Holy Family's coach. On Good Morning America, he said he had been proud of Kravchuk's progress as a player: "Matt worked extremely hard. . . . I just feel it's unfortunate that I'll never get the chance to coach him again."
Is this guy's career over? With all the publicity this is and will continue to garner does this mean this coach is tainted to where nobody will hire him?
First time offense - does he get second chance
Multiple time offense - does he get another chance?
First time offense - does he get second chance
Multiple time offense - does he get another chance?
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Is this guy's career over? With all the publicity this is and will continue to garner does this mean this coach is tainted to where nobody will hire him?
First time offense - does he get second chance
Multiple time offense - does he get another chance?
Assuming he is a decent coach, I suspect he will get another opportunity. Lets face it, good old Bobby Knight was given a few chances.
Personally I think he deserves another chance as this might be an isolated incident. However he should be given a short leash with the understanding that any similar incident will result in immediate termination.
There is nothing I am about to say that should be interpreted as thinking the coach's actions were ok. There is no question I would be very upset if I were this young man's parent.
But I cannot recall any time in my life where I was unable to accept someone's apology. Including those who may have been insincere. Maybe this young man's refusal to accept the apology (and I saw the tape) simply reflect how bad this incident was to him. But I am having as hard of a time processing his refusal as I am understanding what in the he!! the coach was doing/thinking.
SMH.
quote:"To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology," Kravchuk said. "I can't play for you anymore."
After saying he could not accept the apology, Kravchuk added, "As your player I'm supposed to respect you, and I can't do that anymore."
But I cannot recall any time in my life where I was unable to accept someone's apology. Including those who may have been insincere. Maybe this young man's refusal to accept the apology (and I saw the tape) simply reflect how bad this incident was to him. But I am having as hard of a time processing his refusal as I am understanding what in the he!! the coach was doing/thinking.
SMH.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
There is nothing I am about to say that should be interpreted as thinking the coach's actions were ok. There is no question I would be very upset if I were this young man's parent.quote:"To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology," Kravchuk said. "I can't play for you anymore."
After saying he could not accept the apology, Kravchuk added, "As your player I'm supposed to respect you, and I can't do that anymore."
But I cannot recall any time in my life where I was unable to accept someone's apology. Including those who may have been insincere. Maybe this young man's refusal to accept the apology (and I saw the tape) simply reflect how bad this incident was to him. But I am having as hard of a time processing his refusal as I am understanding what in the he!! the coach was doing/thinking.
SMH.
Totally agree with that. There seems to be a shortage of class and grace in this country sometimes.
I don't think he'll have any trouble finding a job. The college basketball community is pretty tight, in Philly. No one from there has come out and bashed him. I'm sure he will be working drills at somebody's summer camp. (don't know if they'll put him in charge of rebounding)
The player is getting hammered pretty hard, too. People calling him names, saying he wants a big payday. It's a mess.
The part that's lost in all this is the rest of the program will be dealing with its third coach in three years. Talk about things you can't control. These poor guys had no idea their college careers would turn out this way.
The player is getting hammered pretty hard, too. People calling him names, saying he wants a big payday. It's a mess.
The part that's lost in all this is the rest of the program will be dealing with its third coach in three years. Talk about things you can't control. These poor guys had no idea their college careers would turn out this way.
I watched the Good Morning America video and the coach said a few times, it was an accident....that's not really a true apology. If it was an accident, he probably should have given him a hand and helped him up rather then kick him. The coach was insincere. He was sorry there was a video so he couldn't distort the incident any further.
Just watched the Good Morning America video again. IMO, there are all kinds of problems on both sides. The two things that make me feel the most uncomfortable are 1) the coach kicking/prodding with foot the player and 2) the player's response to the apology.
Apologizing on national TV...that takes a lot. Whether guilty or not, that takes about as much humility as any person is ever asked to exhibit.
Yes, the coach calls it an "accident." But let me give you some direct quotes from the video.
Player: "I just want some action." <-Lots of truth to that IMO, but it shows no openness to accept an apology.
Coach: "It was an accident...I'm really sorry that it happened and if I could take it back I certainly would..."
Player: "To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology..."
Sorry, but in my lifetime, I cannot recall not accepting an apology like this...whether 'qualified' with the 'accident' comment or not. I just cannot process either of these two individuals' actions, comments nor reactions.
Still SMH.
Apologizing on national TV...that takes a lot. Whether guilty or not, that takes about as much humility as any person is ever asked to exhibit.
Yes, the coach calls it an "accident." But let me give you some direct quotes from the video.
Player: "I just want some action." <-Lots of truth to that IMO, but it shows no openness to accept an apology.
Coach: "It was an accident...I'm really sorry that it happened and if I could take it back I certainly would..."
Player: "To be honest, it's kind of hard to accept your apology..."
Sorry, but in my lifetime, I cannot recall not accepting an apology like this...whether 'qualified' with the 'accident' comment or not. I just cannot process either of these two individuals' actions, comments nor reactions.
Still SMH.
Me too. I don't believe what the coach did was right. But any necessary discussion could have been internal to the school. I would have had my kid go to the AD not an attorney.quote:Originally posted by im647f:
I would be embarrassed if that were my son. The kid
needs to grow a pair. I'm waiting for the lawyer to get involved.
But let me explain how society works now. One night at 3am a drunk 25yo kid was making noise while standing on my lawn. I went out and politely asked the group to quiet down and go in their house or leave. The kid took a swing at me. He was drunk. To protect myself I grabbed the front of his shirt and threw him. He landed face first in the street.
I went inside to call the police to have assault charges filed. After the police heard everyone's story I was informed the good news was I wasn't going to be charged with assault. Coming out of my house to ask someone to get off my lawn and be quiet was instigation and therefore assault. What I learned from that experience is don't attempt to settle anything calmly man to man. Call the police and lawyer up is the correct route.
justbaseball I see what your saying about not accepting someone's apology but there are couple of things reason why I can see why the kid didn't accept it.
First, because he's a kid, or young adult. I think that young people have rawer feelings sometimes. They are not as refined as those of someone say over 35. That experience thing.
Second, the "accident" excuse. Very lame as others have stated. If he had admitted it was an, in the heat of the moment, emotional outburst I would have more respect for him and feel he was more sincere in his apology. I don't know that he didn't, but I hope this coach apologized to this player long before they went on national TV. If he didn't then I would have a real problem with him.
At this point I hope all parties move on with their lives, learn some lessons, and leave this sorry incident behind them
First, because he's a kid, or young adult. I think that young people have rawer feelings sometimes. They are not as refined as those of someone say over 35. That experience thing.
Second, the "accident" excuse. Very lame as others have stated. If he had admitted it was an, in the heat of the moment, emotional outburst I would have more respect for him and feel he was more sincere in his apology. I don't know that he didn't, but I hope this coach apologized to this player long before they went on national TV. If he didn't then I would have a real problem with him.
At this point I hope all parties move on with their lives, learn some lessons, and leave this sorry incident behind them
RJM,
Best argument I've heard for installing an automatic sprinkler system!
Best argument I've heard for installing an automatic sprinkler system!
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
RJM,
Best argument I've heard for installing an automatic sprinkler system!
Get off my lawn.
The coach way over reacted,but this kid is a weiner. I too would tell my kid to man up and deal with it. Grow up,toughen up and grow a pair. Life is tough and sometimes things don't go your way. Also I agree that there may be more than meets the eye here.
"I am really sorry it happened"
Well yeah, I bet he is. He lost his job over it.
What he SHOULD have said is "I'm sorry I did that". Two totally different things all toghether.
I don't think the coach has taken responsibility for his actions at all.
For what it's worth, I do think it was an accident as far as the coach hitting the kid in the face. I don't think that is what he INTENDED to do but that sure is what happened. I think he meant to give the kid a shove, per the drill and it went wrong. The coach blew it after that. In fact, he blew it all the way around.
Well yeah, I bet he is. He lost his job over it.
What he SHOULD have said is "I'm sorry I did that". Two totally different things all toghether.
I don't think the coach has taken responsibility for his actions at all.
For what it's worth, I do think it was an accident as far as the coach hitting the kid in the face. I don't think that is what he INTENDED to do but that sure is what happened. I think he meant to give the kid a shove, per the drill and it went wrong. The coach blew it after that. In fact, he blew it all the way around.
quote:I too would tell my kid to man up and deal with it.
Now there is an idea. Lets see here. It goes from an incident that happened in a gym at 530 in the morning to a national story with an appearance on good Morning America. slow news day fr ABC? You coach because you love it and you wind up hiring a lawyer. the coach resigned(fired?) I guess the kid (and his parents) got what they wanted? The kid is not playing? He will transfer. well if he does good luck to that coach. He better watch his back.
The whole thing here might have been handled differently if the school administration stepped in from the start but seems they were on the sidelines for this one.