Coaching

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
Seems like they get ripped around here sometimes but lets give them some credit... where it is due...

I look at Jim Harbaugh. Stanford was nothing until he came along. The 49ers were nothing either. His brother is pretty good as well.

Tying this into baseball... Dusty Baker, Buck Showalter, Mike Scocia, Joe Maddon, Ron Washington, Bruce Boche...

It seems to me that coaches can make a huge difference. What is your take?

Before anyone says it, Coach May is my favorite coach hands down... he is even a better person which is more important imho

Going to bump my own thread here... forgot Terry Francona...

The NO Saints are finding out how important Coach Payton is to them. They look very average this year without him during his suspension.

Ron Washington does not get the credit he deserves for the turn around he has led the Rangers to over the last three years. Over the last three seasons he is hands down coach of the "year"...

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Before anyone says it, Coach May is my favorite coach hands down... he is even a better person which is more important imho

YEP

Our son has always had the luxury of good consistent coaching. From the time my son was a Rookie he was coached by a neighborhood dad with a son the same age as mine. It turned out that he had played MiLB with the Phillies, and had an idea about baseball. He coached my son for 3 or four seasons through my Son's Babe Ruth Baseball years.

He had great coaching through his Travel Ball years playing on several teams run by former minor league players. He had an Excellent High School Coach, who at one time was an Associate Scout with the Yankees.

We made sure his time with teams was supplemented with individual hitting and Fielding Instruction from former Pro players. David Kent who played MiLB with the Yankees and Jody Reed from the Red Sox and finally Denny Doyle from the Red Sox.

In college his coaching was excellent as well, both JUCO coaches were tremendous with his second year coached by Joe Arnold who was a Scouting Director with the Yankees at one time.

Top that off with the excellent coaching he received at The University of Tampa from Joe Urso and Sam Militello, both of who played professionally.

I am a firm believer in what value quality coaching can add to a players development.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
The NO Saints are finding out how important Coach Payton is to them. They look very average this year without him during his suspension.
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So just how important is a coach who supervised a defensive bounty program?

I'm not defending that. I'm comparing the product on the field last year with Payton coaching vs. this year with him missing from the sideline. There's no questioning how much better the team is with him at the helm.

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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
I'm not defending that. I'm comparing the product on the field last year with Payton coaching vs. this year with him missing from the sideline. There's no questioning how much better the team is with him at the helm.

Fair question by pappi and good answer.

I'll defend the bounty program. Everyone who is honest in this country will admit that the big hit is a BIG part of pro football. I don't believe the coach rewarded anything other than what most fans expect.

In college baseball I believe good coaches produce good teams and visa versa. A bad coach can ruin a program pretty quickly.

Knowing what I know now I would recommend a recruit look very closely into who the head coach of the team is and how the team has been trending the past couple of years with this head coach. If the current players don't respect him stay away. If the current players respect and like him move this school up higher on your list.

IMO the reputations of good coaches help perpetuate the programs success. A glowing recommendation about a coach from a trusted source helps players and families make the decision to play for that coach. Kinda like reverse recruiting without any video.

My son has been very fortunate to have people who are good at what they do as well as being great people (like Coach May ).

Just to let those know that come here often to complain about "coach", it wasn't always an easy ride. Yet many of those who were hardest on him are the ones still in his life helping him to get to the next level.

My son's HS coach was and still is the best example of a Coach, class act, friend, Teacher, Husband, and Father I've yet to see. His name is Trent Mongero whom I believe that Coach May has played against up/around NC a few years back.

Never has this man needed profanity and screaming to get his point across to the young men he coached. His leadership and example has always proved to be how he coaches. One of the things I always loved the most about his method during tryout's and having to cut young men was that he truly believed that he was able to sit down with a young man and eye to eye explain to him that he needed more work and refining. To go and work hard over the next year and to please come back. OR, that baseball was not really going to be in hs future and would help them understand that even though being cut would sting for a bit that he believed that God had a bigger plan for him and encouraged them to find that talent and calling. Not an "easy out" for him but how he genuinely felt when he had to give the bad news each time.

I've never had to go through being cut with my son but I DID see other boys who were cut and it is never an easy task for Coaches. In fact, Im sure they dread this time of year.

I'm sure that some if not most Coaches use the trie and true method of just posting a list on the Coach's office of who made the team. But I think it takes a special coach who will go up and talk to each young man eye to eye and sit down to explain what is going on. Dignity and respect.