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I read here where the coach from a school in Flower Mound was removed because of his "issues" after several parents went to the administration. I've also heard that the coach at a school just to the north (Lake Dallas?) was allowed to stay, even after several parents went to the administration and one kid even transfered out because of him.

How can one school remove a "hothead" coach to please the people who provide the players and the taxes for his salary and another allow a "hothead" coach to stay, even after families transfer out instead of playing for "a coach with issues"?

Trying to understand when the coach became the program and not the kids and their families. I am too old to understand the politics of today. Is there any of you younger parents, or even someone close to these situations that can explain this to me?

Thanks.
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My dad used to tell me not to forget my place. Today, many coaches forget they are educators first. Parents forget that their job is to prepare their children to get along in society, and children don't know how to be respectful and remember their place. And as a group, we often forget that baseball is a game, a really fun game.
my dad used to tell me "you can do what the coach says and PLAY, or you can go and join the band and PLAY.

too many parents get entirely too involved in HS sports. It ruins it for the kids. Period. Parents should cheer on their kid and their kids friends and keep the rest of their opinions to themselves. they see 10% of the actual season, because they rarely ever see practice. NO PARENT has a better insight on the program than the coach. parental information comes from kids opinions, other parents opinions and what little billy did last summer for his semi pro select team where he was ted williams incarnate.

the marcus parents cried and cried for a new coach when ron laughlin was there because he was too nice and went to the playoffs - they wanted harp the asst from lewisville - then they got harp and he couldnt please the motley group so they cried and cried to run him off because he played favorites and made the playoffs. when they were able to replace him they got chumbley and he is too mean and shows the kids up when they make the playoffs.

what marcus parents want is a coach that wins, treats the kids like 7 year olds, plays everybody and wins state every year. impossible. if i were a coach this is the last job i would ever want. no quality coach with any experience is going to want that job or stay very long. the parents have doomed themselves and all those who follow into a culture of constant change and persistant losing. the parents have successfully run off 3 coaches with winning lifetime records and it has now become a ritual. no coach can succeed there until the parents loosen their grip and support the coach.

i played for both laughlin and harp and they were both excellent coaches and i loved marcus baseball and both those guys. i attended many games with chumbley at the helm and felt like he was doing a solid job with what he had. now i cant even stomach going to a game anymore because of all the bitterness and hatred in the stands.

i am a marcus alumn and want nothing more than to see them succeed but it wont happen anytime soon Frown
Pumpkin Head, if you look at the history and senority of Head Varsity Coaches at Marcus then I wouldn't say they have a revolving door, as best I remember:

Chumbley 4 years
Harp 9 or more years.

Now, if you want to talk Asst. Varsity Coaches that is a different story because while Chumbley was there he had a different asst. every year.........
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
OB,

Not to distract from your point.

But if I was a head coach at the HS level, I would hope to have a new assistant coach each year.

This would hopefully mean each assistant advanced themselves to a better position.

I can't speak for the assistants under Chumbley, just saying.[/QUOTE

That is what is suppossed to happen
My son played for coach Chumbley and would tell you that he is the best coach he has ever had. The players are not the problem it is the parents. It is time for parents to allow the coaches to coach and do what they feel is best for the team. The parents all think their kids are the best but the coaches are objective and should be allowed to stay that way.

There were 4 groups of parents that wanted him out and from what I hear were coached on how to do it and the administration would not allow the other parents their time. The administration is changing and one of them wanted him out because coach cut his son is what I heard.

Now it is time for the players to come together and play for the team as coach Chumbley would want them and has always taught them.
Were the players asked about the coach and if they wanted him to stay? In my experience, if only a few of the players have a problem with the coach, it's probably the players. If only a few don't have a problem, it's probably the coach.

We've heard about the FM coach, what about the coach in the other school? Anyone familiar with that situation? I understand that the same type of thing went on but it was his first season. I also read here in another thread that he was a problem in another FM school before going north.

If there are any administrators out there.........What could be the difference between the two situations that one was removed and the other one stayed? Administration? Powerful supporters? Powerless "haters"?

I've also heard that after one year it is harder to get rid of the coach. It seems that it would be harder to get rid of a coach after a four years unless it was an on-going problem. It also seems it would make sense to get rid of a coach after his first year if he already demonstrated "issues" before he got to entrenched?

I guess with mom and dad in control though, nothing makes sense?

Can't wait till my grandkids start playing high school ball........NOT.
I think it is highly inappropriate to bring up other coaches on hearsay! "I heard.." and "I understand..." are nothing but subtle forms of gossip and rumormongering. If you want to talk about the Marcus situation, that is a matter of public record-what's done is done. To spread unfounded or second-hand gossip concerning someone totally unrelated to that situation is a sign of weak character and/or a hidden agenda on your part.
I apologize if it came across that way. I have no agenda either way. The "heresay" was on this site long before I became a member and I still hear it being discussed at some of the baseball games I've attended this year. (I don't play or have any kids playing anymore but I still love the game so very much. I find games close to home to go watch so I can stay close to the game that has meant so much to me over my life).

My older brother was a coach, my younger brother still coaches, my son is a coach, my cousin is a coach, and my best friend is a coach (none in this area thankfully). I do not care about any one particular situation but it seems that the true beautiful game that teaches so much about character and sacrifice and perserverence has gone away and with it, so too the family that was the community, the coach, the school and the players. Instead what is left is a disrespect for the game, for the opponent, for the player, and for the coach (who gets paid next to nothing to put up with all the stuff). What I'm also trying to understand is the "new breed" of coaches that feel they have to show up their players and their parents, the politics behind high school baseball and their parents, and the administrations that allow this stuff to exist.

A long long time ago, when I played and then later when my son played, the high school coach (it didn't matter if it was baseball, basketball, or football), was respected by the community and their decisions and actions were accepted as just another part of the maturing/learning process necessary for a young athlete. Mom and dad didn't have any say so in whether they kept their job, who plays or how the coach acted.

The coach may have screamed and cussed and carried on, but when his players needed him he was there through all their troubles and insecurities. My high school coach had the worst temper, the worst language and the biggest heart and love for his players. We knew that if we were ever in trouble, call coach. He would help us through anything and would even defend us and protect us from our own parents. He would say to them "don't worry, I'll make sure he understands the consequences of his actions", and then he would run us until we puked but we escaped the wrath of our father. I would take puking over my dad's wrath any day.

I guess that's how we know we're getting old. We don't understand the things of the day, and when we try, some young person is there to accuse us of all kinds of things. I guess the good old days are gone forever and I need to accept it, don't try to understand it and shut up and move on. Again I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone.
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Originally posted by 4genball:
I apologize if it came across that way. I have no agenda either way. The "heresay" was on this site long before I became a member and I still hear it being discussed at some of the baseball games I've attended this year. (I don't play or have any kids playing anymore but I still love the game so very much. I find games close to home to go watch so I can stay close to the game that has meant so much to me over my life).

My older brother was a coach, my younger brother still coaches, my son is a coach, my cousin is a coach, and my best friend is a coach (none in this area thankfully). I do not care about any one particular situation but it seems that the true beautiful game that teaches so much about character and sacrifice and perserverence has gone away and with it, so too the family that was the community, the coach, the school and the players. Instead what is left is a disrespect for the game, for the opponent, for the player, and for the coach (who gets paid next to nothing to put up with all the stuff). What I'm also trying to understand is the "new breed" of coaches that feel they have to show up their players and their parents, the politics behind high school baseball and their parents, and the administrations that allow this stuff to exist.

A long long time ago, when I played and then later when my son played, the high school coach (it didn't matter if it was baseball, basketball, or football), was respected by the community and their decisions and actions were accepted as just another part of the maturing/learning process necessary for a young athlete. Mom and dad didn't have any say so in whether they kept their job, who plays or how the coach acted.

The coach may have screamed and cussed and carried on, but when his players needed him he was there through all their troubles and insecurities. My high school coach had the worst temper, the worst language and the biggest heart and love for his players. We knew that if we were ever in trouble, call coach. He would help us through anything and would even defend us and protect us from our own parents. He would say to them "don't worry, I'll make sure he understands the consequences of his actions", and then he would run us until we puked but we escaped the wrath of our father. I would take puking over my dad's wrath any day.

I guess that's how we know we're getting old. We don't understand the things of the day, and when we try, some young person is there to accuse us of all kinds of things. I guess the good old days are gone forever and I need to accept it, don't try to understand it and shut up and move on. Again I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone.


Don't worry, I'm 32 years old and think the same way as you do.

Times have changed.

You have the unexperienced with ultimate control.

It's a "pat on the butt" society with A,B,C, and D teams.

Everyone gets a trophy, and mom and dad get to wear a jersey.

I find it ironic that Bob Knight doesn't get public acceptance, yet Mr. Garrido does.

HS sports are nothing more than a search for appointed social acceptance.

Most select teams are nothing more than a revenue
generating scam.

The other select teams are pawns in the other revenue generating events that are portrayed and necessary.

Nothing is necessary.

The game is not a game any longer.

It's a extension of prime time soap opera shows.
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Thank goodness for the difference makers in the world, for the optimists that see through the bitterness, for the risk takers that continue to stay the path. Thank goodness that everyone isn't dismal and negative, and that they do something to right the wrongs rather than stating the obvious.

I think I'll go do something productive.
No offense taken. I apologize if I got my dander up. For the record, I remember watching the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show on our b&w TV.
I was a HS coach for 2 decades, and was a hard-ace. One of my heroes was Coach Knight. One of the reasons I got out was because I got sick of dealing with the parents, who all thought little Johnny should be the starting QB, leading scorer or play SS and ace pitcher.
Life isn't fair.
Not everyone has equal ability, so should not have equal PT.
Coaches should demand that players respect the game and play hard!
I DO NOT want my sons on a team where loafing, laziness or disrespect of the game or coach are tolerated.
BUT, because of my history, I don't want want to see coaches thrown under the bus because of hearsay and gossip, that's all.
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Originally posted by collikar:
Thank goodness for the difference makers in the world, for the optimists that see through the bitterness, for the risk takers that continue to stay the path. Thank goodness that everyone isn't dismal and negative, and that they do something to right the wrongs rather than stating the obvious.

I think I'll go do something productive.


COLLI-CUTIE.....SO WELL SAID! means so much coming from you .....a former coach! Stay the path and keep the Faith!

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