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No replacement has been named yet for the head coaching position, and neither of the remaining two assistants shown on the official website is identified as the recruiting coordinator.

Customarily, the new head coach would identify and hire that assistant; so, I'm assuming that the recruiting role is open until the head coach is hired.
I'm trying to understand why a very talented and sought after coach would move from the ACC to the Big Ten?

Based on conference RPI the last three years the ACC is either #1 #2 or #3 and receives multiple bids to the NCAA tournament. The Big Ten did not break the top 10 in conference RPI in the previous three years and had one or two representatives to the NCAA tournament. So, I'd like to speculate (this is a message board, right?) that Bakich thinks he can take the Michigan program farther (possibly OWN the Big Ten for many years) than he could have at Maryland in the ACC? And of course I'm sure he got a bump in salary, too. Am I stating the obvious?
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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
I'm trying to understand why a very talented and sought after coach would move from the ACC to the Big Ten?

Based on conference RPI the last three years the ACC is either #1 #2 or #3 and receives multiple bids to the NCAA tournament. The Big Ten did not break the top 10 in conference RPI in the previous three years and had one or two representatives to the NCAA tournament. So, I'd like to speculate (this is a message board, right?) that Bakich thinks he can take the Michigan program farther (possibly OWN the Big Ten for many years) than he could have at Maryland in the ACC? And of course I'm sure he got a bump in salary, too. Am I stating the obvious?


Kendall Rogers reported on Perfect Game that Bakich was making $100,000 at Maryland and will make $400,000 at Michigan.
My thoughts on reasons for the move
1. Salary increase
2. Ability to get in to the CWS (IMO easier in Big 10 vs ACC)
3. Last year MD gave a scare to many of the programs when they were looking to reduce expenses baseball was not safe from financial cuts.

I thought MD had a very good team last year and could have competed very well at a regional had they been able to get through the ACC and in to the tourney.
I think BBoy said it about right. I imagine the budget cuts there caused a fright. Another issue is the ACC has it's top 7 teams and this year the NCAA made it clear that that number is a quota for the conference and no other teams were going to get in no matter what. I think this quota will continue and other invites will go to northern schools that whine the most. This fact will make it hard to some ACC teams to make the jump into tournament.

Having said all that, money talks.
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Here is an important question: Were Stony Brook and Kent State a trend or an aberration? Maybe Bakich believes he can make it a trend. For sure, Michigan has the resources.



Good points jemaz. Aside from the monetary aspect you previously mentioned, the fact that Maryland will be cutting 8 sports was probably a factor. Stony Brook and Kent State have been on the rise for a while now and regardless of the "trend vs. aberration" notion, any forward motion is good motion. Its obvious the resources are available at Michigan and they weren't at Maryland. I don't fault Bakich for the move at all, and will be curious to see if Milton runs the program or if they bring in someone else. Milton's name is high profile but not really in the coaching world.
JH,

In additon, don't forget about St Johns in that trend or aberration discussion. Personally, I would be buying the "trend" theory....St Johns won the Chapel Hill regional and then ran into a buzz saw in Tucson with the eventual national champs (AZ). Tough draw, but St Johns could have done some damage in Omaha.

Last year, St Johns gave #1 UVA all they could handle in Charlottesville. St Johns shouldn't be surprising anyone next year. In addition, last year UCOnn came out of the regionals (@Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Sacred Heart) to then play at the South Carolina super regional in Columbia. Of course SC was crowned national champion. I see a lot of northern schools knocking on the door. Kent St broke the door down this year. I'm definitely buying. Bakich made a good move financially and professionally it appears. Possibly Michigan could be one of those big time programs in a couple years. We'll see.

PS...Didn't (the Yankees captain) Jeter go to Michigan? I see a possible big supporter of the program in the coming years. I'm just thinking out loud. Wink
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fenway- St. John's has had sort of a monopoly of the NY metro area for a few years now. If you want to stay close to home and want to play the best possible baseball, you go to St. John's. I actually think the arise of Stony Brook and the potential continuation of this trend could be bad news for St. John's. With Stony Brook's new facilities and the fact that it is a state school, that could be more attractive for some potential recruits than a Roman Catholic school in the middle of Queens with diminishing facilities and no foreseen upgrades.

Jeter was drafted out of high school with the 6th overall pick in 1992. He had an NLI with Michigan but signed with the Yankees instead. He's said in interviews that he's a Wolverine as a fan, but never actually donned the uniform. You may be right though in relation to the support of the program...A-Rod donated millions to University of Miami without ever showing up to play on campus.
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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
JH,

In additon, don't forget about St Johns in that trend or aberration discussion. Personally, I would be buying the "trend" theory....St Johns won the Chapel Hill regional and then ran into a buzz saw in Tucson with the eventual national champs (AZ). Tough draw, but St Johns could have done some damage in Omaha.

Last year, St Johns gave #1 UVA all they could handle in Charlottesville. St Johns shouldn't be surprising anyone next year. In addition, last year UCOnn came out of the regionals (@Coastal Carolina, Clemson, Sacred Heart) to then play at the South Carolina super regional in Columbia. Of course SC was crowned national champion. I see a lot of northern schools knocking on the door. Kent St broke the door down this year. I'm definitely buying. Bakich made a good move financially and professionally it appears. Possibly Michigan could be one of those big time programs in a couple years. We'll see.

PS...Didn't (the Yankees captain) Jeter go to Michigan? I see a possible big supporter of the program in the coming years. I'm just thinking out loud. Wink


And then there was Purdue. I do believe things are looking up for more Northern Schools than at any time in two generations, but the Big 10 does not strike me as fertile ground. The weather is so bad for so long and the best players seem dedicated to heading south. (Of course, the weather at Kent State probably is not much better). You never know, but Michigan got rid of a pretty good coach. I am afraid that in three of four years, Bakich will be regretting the move. I hope I am wrong. It is in the best interests of college baseball for widespread excellence in all geographic areas.
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I am afraid that in three of four years, Bakich will be regretting the move.

Jemaz,

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Based upon what has been shared here so far, I don't think it was a hard decision.

He quadrupled his salary, and moved to a more affordable part of the country. He has a chance to be very competitive in the Big 10 for some years to come. His upside is far greater in the Big 10 than the ACC. His previous employer was on the verge of cutting several athletic programs, and the ACC is unbelievably competitive. Truthfully, I see a lot of reward and very little risk here. I wish I had more decisions like this cross my desk every day.
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Maryland is NOT a destination job. They are in the lower tier of the powerful ACC with one of the worst facilities in the conference. Maryland has a long road to moving up in the ACC.

Michigan, however, is in a conference that is not NEARLY as powerful. If he does a similar job that he did at Maryland, it will register as a bigger uptick. I see a lot of reward and very little risk for Bakich (with fenwaysouth).
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Originally posted by redbird5:
Maryland is NOT a destination job. They are in the lower tier of the powerful ACC with one of the worst facilities in the conference. Maryland has a long road to moving up in the ACC.

Michigan, however, is in a conference that is not NEARLY as powerful. If he does a similar job that he did at Maryland, it will register as a bigger uptick. I see a lot of reward and very little risk for Bakich (with fenwaysouth).


+1, Good Post
Is Michigan a destination job? Win at Michigan and the big baseball schools come calling just like the Kent St. and Stoney Brook coaches. There only a few destination job conferences in baseball and I don't think the Big 10 is one of them.

Coaches stay at schools for many reasons but if you want to compete for a national championship on a regular basis chances are you don't stay at a big 10 school.
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Originally posted by fillsfan:
Is Michigan a destination job? Win at Michigan and the big baseball schools come calling just like the Kent St. and Stoney Brook coaches. There only a few destination job conferences in baseball and I don't think the Big 10 is one of them.

Coaches stay at schools for many reasons but if you want to compete for a national championship on a regular basis chances are you don't stay at a big 10 school.

It might depend on whether or not he can win at Michigan. The Kent State coach is re-upping there so obviously he feels he has built something good there. There aren't many 400k+ gigs anywhere including the private sector. Michigan was in the Super Regionals a few short years ago when one of our members sons hit a walk-off home run to beat David Price and Vanderbilt. They also play in a newly renovated stadium. Other than the poor weather which can be compensated for by traveling in the south somewhat, it looks like a pretty attractive gig to me. I've got to believe his wife and family are doing cartwheels right now.
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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
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I am afraid that in three of four years, Bakich will be regretting the move.

Jemaz,

I'm going to respectfully disagree. Based upon what has been shared here so far, I don't think it was a hard decision.

He quadrupled his salary, and moved to a more affordable part of the country. He has a chance to be very competitive in the Big 10 for some years to come. His upside is far greater in the Big 10 than the ACC. His previous employer was on the verge of cutting several athletic programs, and the ACC is unbelievably competitive. Truthfully, I see a lot of reward and very little risk here. I wish I had more decisions like this cross my desk every day.
I agree. And whose to say if he builds Michigan into the dominant Big Ten team he doesn't eventually move on to a premiere program in a premiere conference.
CD I agree it was hard for him to turn down this job and the increase in salary. His family should be happy.
But he hasn't proven himself as a big time head coach yet.

If he jumped at this job after two years, and probably many promises now broken, at Maryland chances are he'll take the next good offer that comes along.
With big risks comes big rewards.

With a rumor of $1M for a 3 year deal, the reward
is coming first.

The risk then is simply performance. Lack there of, and Ann Arbor seeks to make a change. The AD wants a winner, and right away.

And yes, promises broken at Terpville may follow and repeat.

Good luck to the likable EB.
Living in B10 land for many years, I can tell you this.

It is a hard road for any really good mid major to compete against a powerhouse B10 school in recruiting. When junior was being recruited, you could see the dread in coaches faces when you mentioned he was also on the radar at MSU or UM or OSU. Their first reaction was almost always, "don't go to a great football school to play baseball". The draw of a big time program, local to the athlete, is very compelling to a young man. One of the things that B10 schools like to emphasize, is that having a great football program provides baseball with resources that other schools simply don't have.

Then they ask, "Here, put this jersey on for size. How do you think that Big Blue M looks on your chest, son?"

Bakich was a hot commodity when he was at Vanderbilt because of his recruiting ability. I would imagine the man knows where the most fertile ground is to ply his trade.
Originally Posted by playball2011:

What happens to players who r seniors in fall that have verbally committed there? How does that work w new coach coming in? 

A verbal is not binding. Only an NLI is binding. Some new coaches will reach out and offer new recruits the opportunity to walk away with no hard feelings. 

Incoming players on NLI, as agreed to with the AD, will keep dollars for one year. 

No guarantees after that, not even a roster spot.

The players w/o dollars and taking roster spots are vulnerable.

The upper classman, i.e. Jr & Sr, and in an unfavorable position are most vulnerable.

With Terps, 8 rostered players left, three position players and two pitchers got very little playing time.  Also one Coach was removed.  Fourteen new players were NLI for 2014-2015.  One signed (so far) pro contract.  Should you do the math for next season, some will not be part of the 35 players.   

 

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Bakich turned around a horrible Maryland program. When he arrived Maryland couldn't keep players in state. When he left they had improved facilities and a winning record. When Maryland took the next step up (NCAA tournament) it was with Bakich's recruits. Then he went to Michigan and turned their program around.

I don't see the issue. Coaches will always leave for a better situation. Tracy Smith developed Indiana into a winner, got the team to the CWS and left for ASU. Previously he turned Miami OH into a winner and left for IU. Baseball coaches move up the ladder just like successful people in any other profession.

RJM. With all due respect, balonie. Bakich did not turn anything around at Maryland including the facility or program. He had no winning record.  His conference record was the worst of all the Head Coaches before him (and of course after). His career record was the worst of all the Head Coaches.  Bakick's favorite recruits were not D1 ball players.  Maybe ask some of the players. I have over 60 years of Terp Baseball and it is not what you think.  There is no relationship between the success Bakich is having at Michigan and the lack of success at Maryland.  I don't see any issue here other than Bakich left Maryland for good.  Personally, I liked the "Enegizer Bunny" and wished him well.  But you do not know. 

joemktg posted:

On a positive note, we think the world of coach Szefc, Coach Vaughn et al. Hard to do better than them.

Nothing against these fine coaches but they will be much better out of the ACC. Boston College should follow Maryland's lead and go to another conference.  

I suppose its easier to do that than to improve your facilities.

TPM posted:
joemktg posted:

On a positive note, we think the world of coach Szefc, Coach Vaughn et al. Hard to do better than them.

Nothing against these fine coaches but they will be much better out of the ACC. Boston College should follow Maryland's lead and go to another conference.  

I suppose its easier to do that than to improve your facilities.

BC is terrible in every ACC sport. They are about to become the first winless  ACC basketball team in decades. In their best football seasons they beat up three cupcakes to get to 7-4 and the WhoCares Bowl. In baseball the weather works against them. Most top New England recruits head for the ACC. The best tend to end up at Vanderbilt.

i don't understand what happened to the basketball program. They used to be part of the top tier in the Big East when it was the best basketball conference.

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