College BBCOR Bats

While watching the TCU game today on the MTN. They showed the following stats.

First weekend last season.
ACC - 47 homeruns
SEC - 44 homeruns
TCU - 6 homeruns

This season first weekend
ACC - 16 homeruns
SEC - 21 homeruns
TCU - 2 homeruns

Dramatic difference.

I like it... Next year in HS it will be a whole different story... back to basics, strategic play and small ball will win games!

Glad my boys are Pitchers!

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Originally posted by Steel Cleats:
Glad my boys are Pitchers!

Same here Cleats. As I mentioned in another forum, no more of those "check swing" doubles and triples!

I would not be surprised to see the rule get retracted for high school ball before the 2012 season. Huge financial implications will surely be a factor, but many HS coaches do not think it will stick.

Hi All,
Just passin' through.
Nuke - As you are probably aware, California HS started a year early. Many of the coaches here though the same all the way up to January, but they went through with it here. I would be very surprised if it doesn't stick for you folks and the rest of the country in 2012. Once this "safer" option is available, the powers that be would really be sticking their neck out by not going that route.
Yes, the school and individual cost outlay is very significant but I think the threat of injury lawsuits wins out.
The good news is I notice the boys swinging more aggressively because they have to. At this VERY early stage, I'd have to say I like it more than I thought I would.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cabbagedad:
Yes, the school and individual cost outlay is very significant but I think the threat of injury lawsuits wins out.
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Good point. Thanks, keep us updated.

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Originally posted by Nuke:
I would not be surprised to see the rule get retracted for high school ball before the 2012 season. Huge financial implications will surely be a factor, but many HS coaches do not think it will stick.

I doubt this will be pushed back... most bats only last 2 yrs, and the NFHS announced the rule change last year, plus the bat companies have their production lines changed over it would probably cost more to go back... and with what has been seen in the college games... It is here to stay

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Originally posted by 13LHPdad:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cabbagedad:
Yes, the school and individual cost outlay is very significant but I think the threat of injury lawsuits wins out.
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Good point. Thanks, keep us updated.

As requested, I thought I'd copy a post I just put elsewhere regarding BBCOR and how it has worked out this year in California... you may also want to visit that thread for the opinions of others - mine is probably a bit more "alarmist" than others.

80% thru the season, here's a look at the HS varsity numbers in our area...

I took team BA's, HR's and Runs Scored for the two top leagues and kicked out a few anomalies (teams that changed leagues).

Average Team BA 2010 - .296
Average Team BA 2011 - .270

Total HR's (12 teams) 2010 - 106
Total HR's (12 teams) 2011 - 32*

Runs scored per team 2010 - 6.0 / game
Runs scored per team 2011 - 4.9 / game

*2011 HR's include one team with 12 at home with strong prevailing winds. They did not hit that many in 2010, so difference is really even more dramatic.

Also, factor in that approximately 40% of AB's accross both leagues were with CF4 exception bat, so, again, the difference is really even more dramatic than the numbers indicate.

With BBCOR in full effect next year, I would estimate a drop of about 35 BA points, 70-80% fewer HR's and 25-30% fewer runs scored vs 2010 (BESR).

I think this works well for the top players trying to go to the next level and for the revival of pure baseball and I love coaching it. I still have some concern that interest in the sport will diminish for the average player HS and younger and the casual fan base from college on down (the majority).

The JV and Frosh levels take a real hit - the true extra base hit is practically non-existent there with BBCOR.

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Originally posted by Nuke:
I would not be surprised to see the rule get retracted for high school ball before the 2012 season. Huge financial implications will surely be a factor, but many HS coaches do not think it will stick.

Nuke... this will not happen.. on to the BBCOR bats as stated throughout the thread... it is already in place in the NCAA and was announced in NFHS over a year ago... It is wishful thinking on the coaches part. Matter a fact I have talked with a few coaches and they want there players to get the new BBCOR bats and start using them as soon as there individual HS seasons are finished up... but not sure what the summer coaches or leagues will do...

I watched a Junior College games a few weeks ago and noticed one thing about the BBCOR bats. They will still hit line drives and most of the line drives that came off the bats ended up being hits. But the high fly balls that once had a chance of going over the outfielder's head and through the gaps were being caught.

I am looking forward to the new bats!

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Originally posted by funneldrill:
I am looking forward to the new bats!

FD, are you starting your boys in the summer or fall using the BBCOR bats?

I started my boys this season...big difference, but they have been hitting the ball real well the last couple of weeks.

I like the change.

Summer

Thinking out loud:

Cameron and Tarleton State each play in a good D2 conference (Lone Star Conference). Tarleton is ranked top 5 in the region and Cameron is also very good. Cameron has 61 homeruns and Tarleton has 53 homeruns in 43 games this year.

Some of the top ranked D1 schools like Florida State and Arizona State only have 27 and 21 homeruns respectively, and I noticed that there are hardly any Big 12 schools even close to 30 homeruns. I think Nebraska has 27.

Here is my point: My assumption is that there must be a significantly greater drop off in homeruns in conferences with outstanding pitching. Good pitching always makes it tougher to hit, but then you factor in the BBCOR bats with a smaller sweet spot, and pitchers with good movement, and the homeruns seem to be down in a greater proportion in the conferences thought to produce great pitching.

Yes, BBCOR bats are going to lower the homerun numbers, but it seems to have a magnified effect on teams facing better pitching day in and day out. I would have to say that BBCOR bats have not been as big a factor at Tarleton and Cameron so there must be more to it then the BBCOR bats themselves.

Do you all know of any reviews/comparrisons of new 2011 & 2012 BBCOR bats ?

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Originally posted by hadleyfarm:
Do you all know of any reviews/comparrisons of new 2011 & 2012 BBCOR bats ?

Check out this link, I think it will answer your questions.
http://compositebats.com/best-bbcor-baseball-bat/