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Recently, Prepster posted about Michigan and Duke replacing their head coaches, which will also likely result in the entire staff being replaced.
In contrast, some others in a different thread suggested the HSBBW would be the place for folks to post unhappiness with name programs and coaches involved with over-recruiting.
Perhaps to provide some balance in the space in between, we could look at another situation where Oklahoma State fired their pretty successful baseball coach early this week.
While OSU football appears to have revenue to burn, it turns out Coach Anderson was competing in one of the toughest conferences in the nation, without a full complement of 11.7 scholarships and with a budget nearly $1,000,000 below most Big XII programs.
Were they funded for the 11.7? Yup.
Turns out that due to numerous errors in the Compliance Office at OSU in administering the 11.7, he never had that number until this year.
None of the problem/errors were caused by the coaching staff. They bore the brunt and lost their jobs. Here is a cut and paste from the announcement information:

"One burning question has been answered with Frank Anderson's firing at Oklahoma State, announced Tuesday, ending ongoing speculation attached to the baseball program's inconsistency.


Still another burning question remains: How good is this job, with no plans to address the aged Reynolds Stadium and an operating budget that insiders report lags significantly behind the Big 12's big boys?

The lineup of serious candidates interested in replacing Anderson will ultimately provide that answer, yet those are issues sure to come up in interviews with OSU athletic director Mike Holder.

Any top candidate will surely request — if not demand — major improvements or even a replacement for Reynolds Stadium. The facility, generally considered the worst in the Big 12, opened in 1981 and has received few additions or face-lifts since.

How important are facilities? Ask Mike Gundy, who regularly credits Boone Pickens' role in transforming the football stadium as a required initial step in transforming the program.

Anderson once had the promise of a new stadium, part of the proposed Athletic Village and budgeted for $30 million, due to be completed in 2011. But that project was shelved when the money invested from Pickens' major donation took a market hit.

Then there's the cash flow, which those with knowledge of the operating budget say falls as much as $1 million behind the league's front-runners.

At least the next coach won't have to deal with the scholarship limitations that hindered Anderson's recruiting for eight of his nine years on the job.

During his run, Anderson only enjoyed a full scholarship allotment once — this season, with administrative mistakes at the root of regular reductions.

“When Frank took this job, no one anticipated that he would have to endure five years of very significant scholarship reductions due to miscalculations by the compliance office,” Holder said in a statement announcing Anderson's firing Tuesday. “Even though Frank was not responsible for the errors, he accepted his fate with a positive attitude and never used the situation as an excuse.

“I commend him for his loyal service to OSU and regret that he didn't get nine years with a full allotment of scholarships and a level playing field with the competition.”

'You don't have to be a great player to play in the major leagues, you've got to be a good one every day.'

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How good is the OSU job? Wait a few years and see if it's had one solid coaching staff or it's become a gateway job on the track to more desirable jobs.

What some people don't understand is the coach's job is to win, not be fair (whatever fair is). Winning allows him to keep his job. Keeping his job feeds his family and pays the mortgage.
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I'm not sure I understand your first point, but that would not be unusual.
On the second point, a coach can win and be fired. At OSU and many other programs, the question is not winning, it is winning enough and doing it every year.
Here is a further summary of the scholarship jeopardy for the coaches, not of their making, contrasted with pretty high quality results for a number of years...just not the last two:

"Anderson preferred not to offer up the scholarship limitations as an excuse.

“I really don't want to say anything one way or the other on the scholarship deal,” Anderson said then. “I just think that comes off as sour grapes and whining.

“I've never done that. And I told coach Holder I never would.”

While 2004 represented the worst of the reductions, Anderson regularly worked without an average of 13 to 15 percent of regular scholarship allowances.

“I think it's very, very important that people understand that dynamic, then judge,” Holder said in 2010.

Anderson's teams made six NCAA Regional appearances, twice as No. 1 seeds. The Cowboys advanced to a Super Regional in 2007 and had a team many pegged as a College World Series contender in 2008, before ace Andrew Oliver was ruled ineligible on the day he was scheduled to pitch in a regional at Reynolds Stadium, a game OSU lost on its way to eventual elimination.

From 2006 to 2009, OSU was the only Big 12 school to reach the finals of a regional in each of those four seasons."
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Anderson regularly worked without an average of 13 to 15 percent of regular scholarship allowances.


I'm not sure I understand this statement? Does anyone understand it? It sounds so severe that I just don't think I am interpreting it correctly.

One thing for sure...college coaching jobs have many rewards. But its a tough life and a tough 'business.'
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How good is the OSU job? Wait a few years and see if it's had one solid coaching staff...


I would have said historically it would be considered a great job.
Historically I agree. But if there are severe issues (answering infield here) will it get fixed and remain a great job? Or will it be the stopover coaching position for coaches to get major conference on their resume before moving on to a more desirable coaching position with better facilities.
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Anderson regularly worked without an average of 13 to 15 percent of regular scholarship allowances.


I think this means that instead of 11.7, he had 11.7*(1-0.15) or about 10 equivalencies.

From my point of view, the coaching staff has to bear a large part of the responsibility for this kind of shortfall. The arithmetic isn't that hard.

I agree with that.

I don't understand it happening for more than one year. Part of winning is administration, which isn't one of my strong suits either, frankly, but... fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me...
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Originally posted by justbaseball:
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How good is the OSU job? Wait a few years and see if it's had one solid coaching staff...


I would have said historically it would be considered a great job.
Historically I agree. But if there are severe issues (answering infield here) will it get fixed and remain a great job? Or will it be the stopover coaching position for coaches to get major conference on their resume before moving on to a more desirable coaching position with better facilities.


OSU is a great job, and would be a destination job. But like 95% of all head coaching jobs, there is always a program the coach would leave a "destination job" for. As great as a position at Nebraska would seem, I would think a coach there would leave in a heartbeat for a school in the SEC.
He did, van horn left a thriving Neb. To go to Arkansas, he's doing well there too I think.

Any job in the big 12 is a good one, but any of them are very tough jobs too because you are going to play a very tough league schedule and if you slip a little they will give someone else a chance hoping they get the right combo of players and coaches...

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