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JH,

I loved your post, and I'm absolutely sure my son is "living" your post. I know there has been many adjustments and humbling going on as he is among 8 recruited freshman.

Fall baseball is over for him, so he will be spending more time in weight & conditioning room as well as in the library. He had a great Fall, and told us over the phone how much he improved and learned new skills. He loves his coaches. We get to see him for the first time next weekend (Parents Weekend) since dropping him off in mid-August. I fully expect to see a "new" man who has new life experiences athletically, academically and socially as you listed them.

Reading your post and others has been very cathartic for me, as he is a long way from home. Many folks on this site are in the same boat, and have many of the same feelings about their sons. Again, thanks for posting from the upper classmen college baseball perspective, and good luck this Spring.
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Son is a jr this year and this is the 1st time that he actually admitted to being tired. Between the rigors in the classroom, fall ball, wt lifting and running they really do burn the candle at both ends. He asked me recently if he might have mono because he's tired a lot. That call was a week ago (and of course I worried). He called last night after 2 days of midterms in every class and the end of fall ball he sounded like a new person.

I think the difference this year is that he didn't have enough time for naps, class schedule was tight and he had to hurry to practice. Sounds like he wasn't taking time to eat before practice and wasn't taking vitamins. All common sense things that had not happened the last 2 years. In a way it was good this happened during fall ball so he realizes he can't get away with the same pattern during the season.

Bottom line is that every year is a new adventure with new challenges and they have to figure out how to make it work and still be successful on the field and classroom. From a parents point of view it's scary how fast it's going by!
Reality hits, sons roommate is cut. He calls home and tells me how it went down. Roomy may leave after the semester so son is looking for a new roomy.

Son was doing well with the grades then in one class he got his first D. ouch. Now he has to work even harder and meet with teacher whose office hours coincide with baseball practice. Maybe time for a visit.
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Reality hits, sons roommate is cut.


For us, reality is realizing that Jr. will certainly not be in the starting line-up. In fact, he's three deep on current depth chart at 1b with two 6'4" 235lb Juniors ahead of him.

I tell him that's not all bad. If he's "lucky" maybe he will get Red-shirted, or won't be on the Travel squad and can really focus on academics and weight room this year! He is up beat though. Good to see he's handling his first adversity faced in the Sport. All these guys have started and probably shined so this experience is humbling for both he and us!! Isn't baseball a great Sport though.... Hope he sticks with it and continue to have the opportunity to play while in School!
Talked to son today to see if he's feeling more energetic now that fall ball is over. He is feeling better but not 100%- said he thinks he just played too many games this summer with so few breaks that it took it's toll.

It's hard to limit their games in the summer but wish he had taken off 1 week between the season and summer ball. He's purposefully playing in a league with fewer games this next summer. Something to think about as they get more playing time during the season and then go right to a full schedule with summer ball.
I wish they made the summer season for college players shorter.They get no break.And I know guys that play in the minors have it hard as well, but they dont have the academics to stay on top of.

My own was injured this summer.So he was home rehabbing.He gained weight, worked out, and took 6 units and rested a lot.That spring season at d1 baseball is grueling.The guys that dont play a ton in the spring need summer ball but the starters need some time off.
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CaBB - Great points, and son is also feeling more engergetic after a long Spring, Summer, and Fall.

fanogame - Summer college leauge baseball looks to be a huge committment. My son was exhausted after Fall season (just ended), engineering course load and all the life adjustments of being a college student. He brought up (next) summer baseball with my wife, which I was surprised to hear. She told him not to get ahead of himself and focus on winter workouts and the Spring schedule which just came out. Smart woman.

Last summer my son played Legion to keep himself in baseball shape. That worked out well but it is nothing like college summer league baseball . He didn't pitch more than 80-85 pitches per week with Legion. I have real reservations about summer ball league, as well as the cost. I plan to read that section of HSBBWEB and see what his college coach recommends. It will be his decision.

I wouldn't mind if he took a couple courses this summer to get ahead for next year or allow him to take a lighter course load in the Spring. As busy as the Fall was, the Spring will be worse. He has 42 D1 games on the 2011 schedule that just came out. Conference games are on the weekend, but the school work has to be done sometime....my question is when.
fenwaysouth,

It is tough in Spring.One thing my son did last year is he took one class online during the Spring.He is taking another this Spring.My sons school offers very few online classes. But that helped him to not have to attend so many classes when traveling.Then he went from 16 to 12 last Spring esp. after injury annd rehab added to his day.That is why he took 6 units this summer.This enabled him to start this year as an actual junior.

Summer online classes can be done while playing baseball as well.It is tough but nice to get ahead.
Make sure you check on policy of your sons school with regards to summer classes.At my sons school you have to get it ckecked ok through the advisor.There is a place to do it online.

It makes it nice to be able to take a lighter load in Spring.
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As busy as the Fall was, the Spring will be worse. He has 42 D1 games on the 2011 schedule that just came out. Conference games are on the weekend, but the school work has to be done sometime....my question is when.


Actually, it is my experience that 42 games for DI is on the low side - most southern DI's will go with the full 56 game schedule (60 if they are playing in Hawaii), even at some very tough academic universities. I can understand why the Ivy's tend to go with a more condensed schedule, I can't imagine juggling Ivy academics with DI athletics.

My son's team had 56 weekend and mid-week games scheduled last year (before the conference tournament), plus playing in a conference that is geographically diverse (i.e. lots of air and bus travel time) he ended up missing a lot more classes than I was comfortable with and he will be missing a lot this spring too - not sure how these kids do it, it takes an enormous amount of dedication to your sport and your academics to be successful in both.
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My son's last day of fall ball is today, with the third and final game of their "Fall Series."

He had all the usual freshman struggles last year - adjusting to being far away from home, dealing with demanding academics, and figuring out how to compete at the much higher level of baseball.

It was a tough year for him, but he struggled through it. Yesterday, we talked, and he said he was just amazed at the difference this year.

A year of maturing, growing stronger, forging a place in his new baseball and school social structure, and learning how to be competitive on the field.

He can't believe that fall ball is over, when last year it seemed like it lasted forever!

It is so much fun, and so satisfying, to watch them grow from a distance.
Fenwaysouth:

08Son took two classes last summer while playing in his summer league. Biggest issue was having to skip two away games where the bus would leave before class got out - on days when he had tests. As a pitcher, the coach worked around the fact that he wouldn't be available - but it was still far from ideal.

Online would have been easier to work around - but his college does not accept online transfer courses.

One bit of advice- if your son plans to take any courses at a different college, get the courses pre approved by his college transfer department. Not all classes/schools are accepted for transfer credit by every school. It would be a shame to put in all the work and then not get credit.
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My son's last day of fall ball is today, with the third and final game of their "Fall Series."

He had all the usual freshman struggles last year - adjusting to being far away from home, dealing with demanding academics, and figuring out how to compete at the much higher level of baseball.

It was a tough year for him, but he struggled through it. Yesterday, we talked, and he said he was just amazed at the difference this year.

A year of maturing, growing stronger, forging a place in his new baseball and school social structure, and learning how to be competitive on the field.

He can't believe that fall ball is over, when last year it seemed like it lasted forever!

It is so much fun, and so satisfying, to watch them grow from a distance.

Rob - one of the truly best posts I have seen here on the hsbbweb in a long time.

Growth does not come about by people patting you on the back and telling you how great you are. Growth is a painful process. It is also a magical process for those mentally tough enough to stick with things. The satisfaction that comes from "growth" is indescribable actually - it can only be learned from experience and comes through loud and clear in your post.

Many of our posters here are hearing very flattering things about their kids and assume that means the same success their kids experience in high school automatically transfers to the next level. The cold reality is there are 34 high school "all everythings" competing against you. Many of them are older, stronger, and more importantly, wiser. Many are now college all-everythings and a freshman is simply not going to beat someone out like that.

Someone (TPM perhaps) posted that the real ride begins when the fall season starts almost one year after signing the NLI or otherwise making a committment somewhere. Recruiting is the easy part. Getting your name in the lineup card is the trick and it is one of the most challenging, painful processes that young men can experience. When they do however, magical things can happen for the player and his family. Things that can serve the player well off the baseball field as well. Yes, there is intrinsic value in being a college baseball player.
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Online would have been easier to work around - but his college does not accept online transfer courses.

One bit of advice- if your son plans to take any courses at a different college, get the courses pre approved by his college transfer department. Not all classes/schools are accepted for transfer credit by every school. It would be a shame to put in all the work and then not get credit.


08Dad,

Thanks for the advice. I'm pretty sure I know the answers to both options presented above, but I'm going to do my due diligence. I've started looking at winter sessions courses for grins and giggles. We'll figure it out, somehow, someway. He has some upperclassmen engineering majors that he can reference and get some additional ideas.
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Rob, I had the chance to watch Duke play several times last season as I live near Durham. I watched Jeff closely knowing he was your son. He warmed up pitchers and I got to see him pinch hit once. What jumped out at me was his energy on the field. He didn't come across as a kid who didn't get to play much. He came across as someone involved in the game and wanting to show his stuff regardless of how small the role might be.

Glad to hear he is having a better fall. My son is now in that first freshman fall "experience" and your description of Jeff's freshman year sounds very familiar.
After reading the "Distance" thread, I realize how blessed we are to be just 15 minutes from campus. I was able to attend each scrimmage game and the series. The team used wood bats during the fall and I forgot how pure the game is with wood. I saw exactly zero home runs during the games.

Last week the team had their scout day and used metal bats for bp. With line drives few and far between with the wood, it was shocking how balls were flying out with the metal. I know it's supposed to work that way, but that really was eye-opening for me, as the changes were drastic.


Little Nasty had a good fall, getting a couple starts at the end and he didn't walk a batter all fall. I'm more proud that he never took a foul pole off during his running afterwards.

The team is going to be young, but has some talent. I saw most players adjust to the wood bats, 15 or more pitchers, and a hands-on, positive approach from the coaching staff. It should be a fun team to watch and opening day is less than 4 months away!
great posts...son went into his freshman fall season and quickly found out that there was some serious over recruiting. 49 kids vying for 35 roster spots. started strong and finished even stronger. threw 16 innings posting 1.68 era with 26 ks and hitting 94 in 4 of his outings. he quickly found out that if he just concentrated on what he could control...his next pitch... he would be fine. turns out coaches are ecstatic with his fall performance and he may be the mid week starter, or closer as a freshman.
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great posts...son went into his freshman fall season and quickly found out that there was some serious over recruiting. 49 kids vying for 35 roster spots. started strong and finished even stronger. threw 16 innings posting 1.68 era with 26 ks and hitting 94 in 4 of his outings. he quickly found out that if he just concentrated on what he could control...his next pitch... he would be fine. turns out coaches are ecstatic with his fall performance and he may be the mid week starter, or closer as a freshman.



Wow, awesome.That is fantastic.
thank you fanofgame. its been a long hard grind for him due to late blooming but all the pieces have come together. it is amazing what a good pitching coach can do for the kid. went in with a decent 12-6 curveball but it lacked depth. they changed it to a spiked slider that he throws about 84-86 and its been a unhittable pitch all fall.
I'm a little late to the party on this subject but wanted to add my two cents for what its worth.

Adam was a "preferred walkon" at a small but very good D1 across the state but ended up with a scholarship offer very late in June, from his dream school The University of Miami (Miami got bit pretty hard by the MLB draft this year, leaving a ton of money out there)

Adam grew up coming with me to every home game at Mark Light, some nights as a toddler falling asleep on Coach Morris' couch. He has met and played catch with some of the greats to play at Miami, so to say this was his dream is an understatement.

So far he has not been disappointed. Even though he lives at home he still spends 5 nights out of 7 sleeping in a dorm room somewhere on campus, mainly due to the early workout schedule.

The second week of school started out with strength and conditioning, no weight lifting, strictly cardio and at 4:45 am no less. While no stranger to workouts or early rising Adam said this was a challenge.

Adam says the most difficult transition to date has been class work. Although the team has a mandated 8 hours of study hall a week, the work load has been tough. Two months in he has learned
to balance his social life, baseball and school work.

It is his parents, and me the crazy Aunt, who have had the hardest transition.

While we were all three once very involved in his baseball life, now we are on a need to know basis only. And, so far we haven't needed to know. Which for me personally is very difficult considering my personal relationships with the coaching staff. I have found it very difficult to spend time with any of his coaches and not want to ask (and don't think I haven't) how he is doing.

Fall ball started on the 14th with the entire family (10+) all out to see him in the Orange and Green for the first time. Yes, I admit Adam's mom and I did shed some tears.

So far Adam has pitched five innings and has yet to give up an earned run. In the first scrimmage he walked two in two innings but none got past 1st base. His second scrimmage this past Saturday he looked like himself again (maybe nerves were gone). In three innings of work, he struck out 4, walked one and did not allow any hits.

Fall practice runs through mid November and this year The Canes will play a five game Orange/Green World Series. The conclusion of fall practice is always Scout Day with all draft eligible player getting most of the work.

I noticed a few posts about Alumni Games and fall games. It is my understanding that any games played against another school in the fall does count against your spring schedule. The Alumni games do not.

To any HS parent and or player who thinks that you have to be "committed" by the end of the recruiting period in the fall, I say baloney. You never know which school is going to be left with lots of money after the draft.
Rob no one is pulling for your son any more than I am. I watched him last year during our series with you guys. I watched infield , I watch him in the pen and between innings and I watched him in the dug out as well. Because I am a coach I always look for things that a casual fan would never notice. I noticed the way he was always up for his team mates. The energy he had in the pen and how he went about his job. The way he carried himself. I saw a kid that was not beat down and discouraged but a kid just waiting for his shot to prove he belonged.

I have no doubt he is going to have a great baseball career in college. He has oustanding coaches who care about him not only as a player but as a person. Jeff is a tough kid who is growing up and understanding what it takes. He will figure it out and he will be just fine. I could tell from watching him that weekend he would be just fine. I know you are proud of him and you should be. Its an awesome thing to see your son grow up and handle things they have never had to deal with before. It really is what its all about anyway.

Go Jeff! Yes, both of them.
Awesome post Loveumbb. Many of your statements have proven to be so true, and congrats to your nephew for playing in such a great program.

I have a fresh perspective after visiting my son for the first time in two months this past weekend. A couple things just absolutely jumped out at me. First, the idea of a two way player. We know several people (son included) who thought they were going to be two way freshmen players in their D1 programs. Now (once in the program), they realize it is double the practice. I realize this is pretty much a myth because no freshmen has this kind of time. I asked my son about the freshmen two way player idea, and he just laughed. Nuf said. Second, how much emphasis on strength, conditioing, and flexibility there is. He told me about his workouts and the conditioning coach is a "mad scientist". My son has become aware of all the college pitching metrics and how his coaches grade him. It has been a total emersion in the art of pitching. These coaches have an unbelievable influence on these players. Third, is how much he studies, and spends time with study groups. If he isn't doing baseball activities, he is in the library or sleeping. There is just so little precious free time. He was very excited to see us arrive Friday, and get off campus for a steak dinner. He was a chatterbox all weekend. Normally, my son is somewhat quiet and reserved. He had a lot to tell us. By Sunday afternoon, we had to go because he had to hit the books. It wasn't a comfortable exit, because we knew we had to go and there was little choice in the matter. He had to get back to his life.
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Go Jeff! Yes, both of them.

Coach May - thank you for your so very kind comments.

And I am rooting for YOUR Jeff too. I anticipate the day, which I rather think is not far off, when you and I will sit in the stands (perhaps next to each other) and watch our boys compete against each other.

Having known you through this board since my son was in middle school, that will be one amazing day for me.
Catching up on this thread. I have known some players who face adversity and only THEN step up all attributes of their game. Not so with young Mr. Kremer. From what I can tell, and having met him back in '07, I can vouch for the fact that he seems to have been BORN with leadership, presence, and can-do attitude. That kind of player is so refreshing! Rob, I join the others who have seen Jeff carry himself in wishing him a superb break-out season!

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