TPM,
There are a couple of the other coaches there during the workouts..usually. My son only pitches now so maybe pitchers are treated a little differently once they get into college. Son says they are usually left to themselves once the team running is done. A coach will be with them but just to tell them to run or throw or something like that. He says that not much instruction at all has been given.
I know some of this may seem hard to believe, and how the head coach can keep his job running his program this way, but he does and there is no embellishment in my words. Son has said even the girls from the softball team have commented to him that the baseball team practices are basically worthless. Son says the softball teams practices are so much harder it’s not even funny.
I can talk from experience my son transferred a few years back from a top D1 program to another mid level program. He wanted more of an opportunity to be a starter as a pitcher and got that chance. He flirted with JUCO's but was able to get a grat opportunity. The new school told him they were not giving him any job he had to earn it but based on his past performance they fully expected him to do it. He cam in and out worked everyone and was a major contributor and loved his time there and is now playing pro ball.
College goes by so fast and for a kid to be unhappy is not good. I will tell you as a pitcher it was left up to him to work out with trainers in the weight room. In college as in pro ball players follow their own path. Expectations are that you as a player will work your butt off to get better. In hs coaches have to direct kids to work hard and most of the time the kids take the easy path. When you get to college most coaches expect you know what you need to do. The coaches feel if the players are not willing to work hard the coaches are not going to fight with them. Each year coaches are bringing in the best talent they can recruit and those kids are coming in to take your job.
I see how hard my older son works in the offseason and even during the season in pro ball. His motivation is that his club is always bring in top talent to unseat him or another pitcher. In college it is the same.
If you do decide to transfer I would do homework on the next shool. He could do a JUCO route which could give him some increased reps playing but he will need to work hard to get another shot at a 4 year school.
The positive of playing in the summer is the opportunity to be seen by another school who might want him.
College goes by so fast and for a kid to be unhappy is not good. I will tell you as a pitcher it was left up to him to work out with trainers in the weight room. In college as in pro ball players follow their own path. Expectations are that you as a player will work your butt off to get better. In hs coaches have to direct kids to work hard and most of the time the kids take the easy path. When you get to college most coaches expect you know what you need to do. The coaches feel if the players are not willing to work hard the coaches are not going to fight with them. Each year coaches are bringing in the best talent they can recruit and those kids are coming in to take your job.
I see how hard my older son works in the offseason and even during the season in pro ball. His motivation is that his club is always bring in top talent to unseat him or another pitcher. In college it is the same.
If you do decide to transfer I would do homework on the next shool. He could do a JUCO route which could give him some increased reps playing but he will need to work hard to get another shot at a 4 year school.
The positive of playing in the summer is the opportunity to be seen by another school who might want him.
quote:Originally posted by T-T:
TPM,
There are a couple of the other coaches there during the workouts..usually. My son only pitches now so maybe pitchers are treated a little differently once they get into college. Son says they are usually left to themselves once the team running is done. A coach will be with them but just to tell them to run or throw or something like that. He says that not much instruction at all has been given.
I know some of this may seem hard to believe, and how the head coach can keep his job running his program this way, but he does and there is no embellishment in my words. Son has said even the girls from the softball team have commented to him that the baseball team practices are basically worthless. Son says the softball teams practices are so much harder it’s not even funny.
I don't doubt you but there are some things that need to understand.
Definetly different for pitchers in college than in HS. By this time, you show up and know what is expected of you, which includes running, throwing, perhaps shagging balls, perhaps heading back to the gym. No one is there to take you by the hand anymore.
No practice, no 4 on 1 instruction, no scrimmage. I find that very difficult to understand.
Hi all,
I just wanted to give an update to my son's situation.
The season turned out pretty awful for him. He struggled with some injury issues and the team ended up in 6th place out of 8 teams. So an all around disappointing start to sons' college career.
He's doing fine now and has decided to transfer. He is trying to find a JUCO to play at so he can move onto a D1 program.
Only problem is he decided a little late (I think) so it's been a bit of a scramble to get things going. He still has not told the head coach he want's to transfer, and I'm hoping he doesn't give him a hard time about it.
He has contacted a couple JUCO head coaches about playing there but has not heard back from them yet.
Is there anything else we need to consider or think about or do as we move forward?
We definitely DO NOT want to make the same mistake twice.
Thanks
I just wanted to give an update to my son's situation.
The season turned out pretty awful for him. He struggled with some injury issues and the team ended up in 6th place out of 8 teams. So an all around disappointing start to sons' college career.
He's doing fine now and has decided to transfer. He is trying to find a JUCO to play at so he can move onto a D1 program.
Only problem is he decided a little late (I think) so it's been a bit of a scramble to get things going. He still has not told the head coach he want's to transfer, and I'm hoping he doesn't give him a hard time about it.
He has contacted a couple JUCO head coaches about playing there but has not heard back from them yet.
Is there anything else we need to consider or think about or do as we move forward?
We definitely DO NOT want to make the same mistake twice.
Thanks
Understand if your son does decide to go to a Juco he will be required to get his AA before being able to transfer to a D1. Sometimes this can be harder than you would think because classes don't always match corectly.
When going to a JUCO you need to make sure the academic situation can and will work out before even considering the baseball. The last thing you want to happen is for your son to go to a JUCO, do great baseball wise, only to learn he can't transfer anywhere because he's 6 hours short of earning his AA.
Many times a freshman will only pass about 24 units (or less) their freshman year and the typical AA is 60 units. This means they need to pass 36 units (18 per semester) to earn their AA. This can be difficult a lot of times so consider all your options.
When going to a JUCO you need to make sure the academic situation can and will work out before even considering the baseball. The last thing you want to happen is for your son to go to a JUCO, do great baseball wise, only to learn he can't transfer anywhere because he's 6 hours short of earning his AA.
Many times a freshman will only pass about 24 units (or less) their freshman year and the typical AA is 60 units. This means they need to pass 36 units (18 per semester) to earn their AA. This can be difficult a lot of times so consider all your options.
TT - I had a post which I deleted. Somehow, I missed some replies including your latest update.
The only advice I would give is to not feel rushed because of the date and make a poor choice. My son was in a situation around this time of summer and did that very thing a few years ago. It's easy to feel like you've got to pick from whatever your options are and get the ball rolling. That will most assuredly be a recipe for further disaster.
Good luck to your son!!
The only advice I would give is to not feel rushed because of the date and make a poor choice. My son was in a situation around this time of summer and did that very thing a few years ago. It's easy to feel like you've got to pick from whatever your options are and get the ball rolling. That will most assuredly be a recipe for further disaster.
Good luck to your son!!
quote:Originally posted by Walawala:
When going to a JUCO you need to make sure the academic situation can and will work out before even considering the baseball. The last thing you want to happen is for your son to go to a JUCO, do great baseball wise, only to learn he can't transfer anywhere because he's 6 hours short of earning his AA.
Many times a freshman will only pass about 24 units (or less) their freshman year and the typical AA is 60 units. This means they need to pass 36 units (18 per semester) to earn their AA. This can be difficult a lot of times so consider all your options.
I wouldn't sweat this too much. If son has to attend summer school to catch up, then so be it. It happens each year to those players who come up short. Just be prepared and plan accordingly.
What position does your son play btw?
Thank you for the heads up. Those are definitely things that we need to consider.
Son is a RHP. One thing that has changed during this time is that he has had a steady increase in velocity. When he signed at his current school (D2 program) a couple years ago (he signed early.... which was the beginning of this nightmare
), he was mid 80's maybe touching 88 MPH on occasion.
He is now sitting in the low 90's and has touched mid 90's in his bullpens.
Not that it matters much now, but it has only made him realize that he could've probably done better than he did.
As of right now unfortunately.... a couple of the main JUCO's he would like to go to, the first said they did not have any more room on their roster for him, and the second still has not returned his calls.
He has called several others that have not called back also. There are a few that have open tryouts that he could probably attend, but I have no idea on how well they place their player at other schools when they are done there.
Classes are filling up and I am stressed out.
Son is a RHP. One thing that has changed during this time is that he has had a steady increase in velocity. When he signed at his current school (D2 program) a couple years ago (he signed early.... which was the beginning of this nightmare
), he was mid 80's maybe touching 88 MPH on occasion. He is now sitting in the low 90's and has touched mid 90's in his bullpens.
Not that it matters much now, but it has only made him realize that he could've probably done better than he did.
As of right now unfortunately.... a couple of the main JUCO's he would like to go to, the first said they did not have any more room on their roster for him, and the second still has not returned his calls.
He has called several others that have not called back also. There are a few that have open tryouts that he could probably attend, but I have no idea on how well they place their player at other schools when they are done there.
Classes are filling up and I am stressed out.
T-T,
I am sending you a PM (private message). I think I know a JUCO that could use your son.
Check your messages. (Look at top of Green bar. you should see something that says "New PM". Click it.
YGD
I am sending you a PM (private message). I think I know a JUCO that could use your son.
Check your messages. (Look at top of Green bar. you should see something that says "New PM". Click it.
YGD
To everyone:
How do you recommend a player you never saw in action?
If I am a college coach I would be concerned
How do you recommend a player you never saw in action?
If I am a college coach I would be concerned
TR he is recommending a college to a player.
Happens several times a day.
Happens several times a day.
TR,
I do have video clips of son throwing. Some of the game action is a little out of date (last summer) but I do have it if a coach would want it.
I would feel the same concern without seeing a pitcher throw.
I do have video clips of son throwing. Some of the game action is a little out of date (last summer) but I do have it if a coach would want it.
I would feel the same concern without seeing a pitcher throw.
Where do you live and what does your son want to achieve for himself?
WhaT ARE HIS TRUE GOALS?
Bob Williams
WhaT ARE HIS TRUE GOALS?
Bob Williams
T_T,
It sounds like your son goes to college in arkansas, there is a coach down there who sounds like the one you are talking about, actually he is a very nice person and he is not baseball dumb, but he just sits up on the hill and lets them scrimmage and do as they like.
Good luck and happy baseballing.
Don Ervin
It sounds like your son goes to college in arkansas, there is a coach down there who sounds like the one you are talking about, actually he is a very nice person and he is not baseball dumb, but he just sits up on the hill and lets them scrimmage and do as they like.
Good luck and happy baseballing.
Don Ervin
Another concern I want to throw out there.
It is apparent that son's credits are not transferring as well as we'd like. This means that because of the amount of classes/credits he will have to take at a JUCO (to get his AA degree so he can transfer to a D1), he will most likely have to go to the JUCO for 2 years (if he decides on the JUCO->D1 route).
How attractive is it for a D1 coach to bring in a JR pitcher to play for him for only 2 years?
I would think not very, but I wanted to hear what others thought.
It is apparent that son's credits are not transferring as well as we'd like. This means that because of the amount of classes/credits he will have to take at a JUCO (to get his AA degree so he can transfer to a D1), he will most likely have to go to the JUCO for 2 years (if he decides on the JUCO->D1 route).
How attractive is it for a D1 coach to bring in a JR pitcher to play for him for only 2 years?
I would think not very, but I wanted to hear what others thought.
T-T
It happens more than you can imagine!!!
It happens more than you can imagine!!!
T-T,
Assuming that your son did play in any games in spring 2009 at his present 4 year school, he can only compete for one year at a JC. So he will need to sit out one of the years at the JC if he attends two years. I think that adds a wrinkle to your question about a D1 coach wanting him.
Should he sit the first or second year at the JC?
Assuming that your son did play in any games in spring 2009 at his present 4 year school, he can only compete for one year at a JC. So he will need to sit out one of the years at the JC if he attends two years. I think that adds a wrinkle to your question about a D1 coach wanting him.
Should he sit the first or second year at the JC?
3FG,
Due to some of the nagging injuries he had he did not play in any games last season.
Does that change things?
Due to some of the nagging injuries he had he did not play in any games last season.
Does that change things?
T-T,
Yes, that completely changes things. So he'll have 4 calendar years in which to play 4 seasons of competition.
Since he'll be transferring, it might be prudent to download and save the stats for spring 2009 at his last college. That way, you'll be able to document that he didn't compete, even in the unlikely event that you don't get cooperation from his last coach.
Yes, that completely changes things. So he'll have 4 calendar years in which to play 4 seasons of competition.
Since he'll be transferring, it might be prudent to download and save the stats for spring 2009 at his last college. That way, you'll be able to document that he didn't compete, even in the unlikely event that you don't get cooperation from his last coach.
Yes, but doesn't he have to complete his AA degree if he goes to a JUCO prior to D1?
I don't think he will be able to do this in one year given the fact that he only has about 20 credits that are transferring (takes 63 for the AA degree). Which means 2 years of JUCO which I don't think he is crazy about doing.
We have been looking at finding a D1 school that may need a pitcher and then just sitting a year prior to playing. This way he will be able to play at least 3 years at that school.
Still trying to decide which is better.....
I don't think he will be able to do this in one year given the fact that he only has about 20 credits that are transferring (takes 63 for the AA degree). Which means 2 years of JUCO which I don't think he is crazy about doing.
We have been looking at finding a D1 school that may need a pitcher and then just sitting a year prior to playing. This way he will be able to play at least 3 years at that school.
Still trying to decide which is better.....
T-T,
Sorry, you're right, he needs an AA degree before enrolling at a D1 school to avoid sitting a year. Plausibly he could get the AA in one year by taking 15 units each semester and another 13 during the summer.
A different possibility would be to enroll at the JC for less than full-time (preferably 11 hours) during each of the next two fall semesters, which will still allow him to practice, and then at least 12 hours during each of the next two springs. That makes 2 full-time semesters at the original 4 year school and 2 full time semesters at the JC. So he would meet the D1 4-2-4 transfer requirement of 12 hours per full time semester, should have enough hours for the AA degree, and still have 2 calendar years and 2 seasons of competition left at the D1 school.
Or, as you say, he could transfer to D1 right now and have 3 more years of eligibility after sitting a year. But note that he may be able to practice with the team, even next spring, if they put him on the 35 man roster.
Sorry, you're right, he needs an AA degree before enrolling at a D1 school to avoid sitting a year. Plausibly he could get the AA in one year by taking 15 units each semester and another 13 during the summer.
A different possibility would be to enroll at the JC for less than full-time (preferably 11 hours) during each of the next two fall semesters, which will still allow him to practice, and then at least 12 hours during each of the next two springs. That makes 2 full-time semesters at the original 4 year school and 2 full time semesters at the JC. So he would meet the D1 4-2-4 transfer requirement of 12 hours per full time semester, should have enough hours for the AA degree, and still have 2 calendar years and 2 seasons of competition left at the D1 school.
Or, as you say, he could transfer to D1 right now and have 3 more years of eligibility after sitting a year. But note that he may be able to practice with the team, even next spring, if they put him on the 35 man roster.
Hi All,
I just wanted to add some closure to this saga.
After much thought, trying to consider every possible option of what would be best, son has accepted a baseball scholarship to a D1 school.
He luckily had several offers to consider and chose the one he feels would work out the best for him academically and athletically.
I just wanted to thank all of you who offered advice and were so willing to help. Especially 3FingeredGlove who has been a huge help explaining in plain English all of the NCAA rules and regulations as well as some sage advice.
I already see a huge difference in the way this new program is run and think things will work out just fine for my son.
Thanks again.
T
I just wanted to add some closure to this saga.
After much thought, trying to consider every possible option of what would be best, son has accepted a baseball scholarship to a D1 school.
He luckily had several offers to consider and chose the one he feels would work out the best for him academically and athletically.
I just wanted to thank all of you who offered advice and were so willing to help. Especially 3FingeredGlove who has been a huge help explaining in plain English all of the NCAA rules and regulations as well as some sage advice.
I already see a huge difference in the way this new program is run and think things will work out just fine for my son.
Thanks again.
T
I am ssuming he will sit out a year?
Yes he is sitting a year. Coach said he can do everything with the team (workout, practice, scrimmage...everything) just can't play in any games this year.
T-T, congrats to your son! I am hoping that his new school proves to be a much better fit than the last one.
I am asking this for the benefit of others who may be considering transferring to another D1: will your son receive his athletic scholarship for the year he is sitting out, or will he have to wait to receive money until he is eligible to play?
I am asking this for the benefit of others who may be considering transferring to another D1: will your son receive his athletic scholarship for the year he is sitting out, or will he have to wait to receive money until he is eligible to play?
quote:Originally posted by Infield08:
T-T, congrats to your son! I am hoping that his new school proves to be a much better fit than the last one.
I am asking this for the benefit of others who may be considering transferring to another D1: will your son receive his athletic scholarship for the year he is sitting out, or will he have to wait to receive money until he is eligible to play?
Thanks Infield08.
So far this school is like night and day compared to the old one. He hasn't even got there yet and the coach is already on him about conditioning and getting ready for the season. He loves it.
He will be getting his athletic scholarship money this year. He sent in his NLI already and is waiting on the paperwork for the rest of his financing (housing, tuition, books etc.).
I'm anxious for him to get there and hopefully see some scrimmage action soon.
Sounds like a great situation! Congratulations again and best wishes to your son!