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I noticed on one D-1 site they attributed their selection of signees in part to their desire to forgoe the draft. Well, we'll see. I know at least a few of them will be sorely tempted.
My question is how realistic is it to be recruited out of state in the spring. Those coach's are busy w/ their own seasons, do they bother, or stay close to home?

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

1)...What is the likelyhood that a player will have a chance of getting recruited in the spring?

Very good. It is just as likely to be recruited in the spring as it is to be recruited and then signed during the first signing period which ends in the middle of November every year. I personally know 3 players, (my son played with in high school), that were signed in the spring. Also two signed in late July a month before their respective colleges started and one even signed for a 70% ride. (One signed to play in the Big West, one in the Pac Ten and one in the West Coast Conference).

2)...My question is how realistic is it to be recruited out of state in the spring. Those coach's are busy w/ their own seasons, do they bother, or stay close to home?

The trick in being recruited out of state is to make your contacts when they (the coaches and baseball team)are at home and not on the road. If you plan your contacts accordingly there is no difference i.e., they will find the time. Specifically, they will call you and email you with enthusiasm if they interested, even over X-mas.
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I find that schools go after their top needs in the fall. After x-mas break, they re-evaluate their needs based on who does not return, who is academically ineligible, who stunnk it up in the fall, etc. They use this as a guide to spring. They go through the same process after the school year and look for the late bloomers, or kids who got missed, or kids who committed to jucos who continued to develop. In the summer they also start looking for the following class.

We had a kid get offered by a large d-1 after the hs year. He did not even start during the season, but came on at the end of the hs year and in the summer after he graduated.

"I love the HSBBW"
It seems like it depends on the level, also ... not necessary D1, D2 or D3, but whether the program is tops in the nation, or somewhere below that. My son plays summer baseball with some 03s who signed D2 scholarships, one 03 who was a D1 "recruited walk-on", and some 04s who are being recruited by D1, D2, and D3s. Of all the 03s who signed last year, none of them signed in the early period and several signed in June. And neither of the two 04s who are D1 recruits signed early this year, but I'm sure they will both end up at very good programs.
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As stated many times before here on this site more players get it done in the spring than they do in the fall--keep in mind that after you get past the so called "STUDS" there are a load of excellent ballplayers who will have fine college careers. And the number of thses players far outnumbers the "STUDS"

This is something all too many people forget--the majority of the HS players who go on to college and play ball may not be draft picks but they are excellent players and what may not be a draft pick coming out of HS can blossom in college and be a draft pick in three years. At the very least they will be excellent college level players and that still puts them in a very select group.

As for seeing the player--most players will have been seen already or a way will be found to see them in the spring( alumni etc). I can tell you for a fact that I get calls every day regarding players so the activity is there. They are now looking to fill their needs that have not been addressed or have suddenly opened up.

DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE!!!! There are good things still ahead for those who have not yet signed. Just make sure you keep the programs on your wish list up dtae on what you are doing and DO GET THEM YOUR SPRING SCHEDULE !!!

BUT make sure you are applying to colleges as if you are not a baseball player--you don't want to be left without a college if your baseball dreams don't happen.

Just a few thoughts from where I sit

TRhit
In reviewing some schools early signing names, it seems as if many of these schools have HUGE groups of recruits. (Maybe due to the changes in Juco transfer eligibility noidea)
Should these schools be crossed off the list? Who are the coaches waiting to "see about" recruits who don't get accepted, get drafted, or make a "bad life decision" or their Juniors and Seniors who are draft eligible?

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

What do you mean "if you have a dream list read it closely?"

He does have a dream list and none of those coaches are talking to him right now. HOWEVER.... "we've been told" there are people looking at him, talking about him, "waiting to see" blah blah.

A friend told us Saturday night that she knows a boy who wasn't being recruited at all and then boom! In the spring a major D-1 called and he signed. Is now a starter there.
So just wondering whether to cross these "dream schools" with big recruiting classes off the "apply and hope" list or not.

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

While the studs are recruited in the fall, MOST college players are recruited in the spring of their senior year.. Players and parents DO NOT think its over, for thousands of HS Seniors its just starting.. Spend the winter staying in shape, run and keep hitting the books..

There are opportunities left, there is money left.

If there is a school you are really interested in get proactive, contact the coaches as soon as the return for the holidays, write letters, get coaches who know you well to contact the schools.. Market, Market, Market yourselves..

Good things happen in the spring, just don't think its over!!!

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"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole."

"JustMom"

Mobunts,
We're talking about Unsigned seniors.
My confusion comes from the recent changes w/ NCAA and the juco transfers. Many D1 schools signed more juco players and not as many Freshman, but this year with the changes many recruiting classes are quite large. Therefore I was kinda wondering whether these schools might in fact be done.

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

Folks let me reiterate what "justmom" said above

Lots of action in the spring-- a lot of the talk about early siginging is nearly a myth

MORE PLAYERS SIGN IN THE SPRING THAN IN THE NOVEMBER SIGNING PERIOD and then you can add the players who go for early admission at some of the top academic schools who have excellent baseball programs--many are still waiting to hear.

There is still plenty of time so don't get your shorts in an uproar!!!

TRhit
Each of the last few years my son's high school program has had at least one player sign D-1 or D-3 and many JuCo. Not one signed early and several have signed after their senior season ended.

The early signing period is a great thing IMO and it's nice to get that decision made and squared away,if you are able to, but like many others have said, the early signing period is typically for the very elite players and some special circumstances, such as a school having a specific need, etc. The spring is where most kids are signed and the impact (perceived or otherwise) of the early signing period is a fairly recent thing. I think early signing has gotten more and more focus as the NCAA has increased the dead and quiet periods.

I think there is PLENTY of time left. At least I hope so since my son hasn't signed yet laugh
Dumb question here (i.e., it has probably been answered before elsewhere). Also hypothetical since my son has applied or will have applied on time (I hope I hope) to the colleges that have actively recruited him. But just out of curiosity, and also for others who haven't signed:

If a college coach decides to recruit you in the spring, and the school's application deadline has passed (most are January 1): does the coach walk the application through after the deadline, or are you restricted to playing at schools that you applied to by their deadline?
yes, applications for late signees will be expedited.

a friend of my son's (as an unsigned senior) accepted an offer from school "B" at an August tournament, days before school was to start.
During the 6 hr drive home he submitted the required info via cell phone, had other documents faxed, and was accepted (in writing) - then he withdrew from school "A" where he was to be an invited walkon - all before they pulled in the driveway. I saw him last night & he's doing well.


MrandMrsBB, to answer your question - yes, some schools are in fact done recruiting this class.



lefties? - - - they just aint right!
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BEE

They are done recruiting until the first kid drops out or flunks or gets hurt or gets drafted--then the doors open again--many time a school has a junior they did not think would get drafted and does-

Keep in mind also that many schools have rolling admissions wherein there is no deadline, just recommended dates

TRhit
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TR, my observation was that some schools have met this yrs needs & are finished actively recruiting

it sounds like you recommend a player holding out for a spot at his "favorite school" - who has already filled this yrs needs, hoping an unexpected spot at his position opens later -

those are pretty looong odds Eek


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They are done recruiting until the first kid drops out or flunks or gets hurt or gets drafted--then the doors open again


I agree that the draft can cause some surprises - but, could you please explain how injuries or academic eligibilty issues would open up more money$ (doors), ya got me there noidea



lefties? - - - they just aint right!

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Bee

If a kid flunks out his money is freed up--if a kid leaves in mid semester his money is freed up---if a kid goes in for surgery the coach needs to find additional money to replace him until such time as he is back in the saddle

In the past month I have had two schools, one Division I and the other Division II call me to see if I knew of any arms floating around for January--- academic casualties had happened

Also I was not advocating anything -- just offering information so that someone can make their own decision

By now also the player should know which schools are still talking to him and who he is talking to-- thus the crossing those off the wish list -- there has been no contact--Yes something may drop out of the sky in weeks to come but right now one needs to be working on those who have contacted him and maintained contact

I know of a kid last year who waited for a major D-I program to get back to him-- I knew for a fact that in December he had been taken off their list -- The kid, the kids family and his HS AD were waiting for the school to call them and it was June--- HELLOOOOOOOO!!!!

Now is time to be working all the angles--talking to the schools you are interested in--see wehat they have left $$ and position wise--and be getting a position where they can see you after March 1 2004--6 weeks before the next siging period

We have used the term "marketing/pro-active"--- now is the time to turn up the heat !!!

For The Fun of IT:

The name of the game is exposure--you can do your own translation !

TRhit
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So TR,
If I'm understanding you correctly, and I'd like to make sure I am..........
If a player is not currently in contact with a coach, he should rule out the possibility of attending that school?
What about the whole idea that so many more kids are signed in the Spring than Fall?
I took that to mean recruiting would still be going on.......1st place fall out, move to 2nd place and so on. So if that's the case, are you telling me these coaches are in contact on a regular basis with their 2nd and 3rd choices??
Hmmmmm not really what I was thinking would happen.

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

Mr and Mrs

Please read carefully what I said

Schools not in contact now might happen-- right now your son should be zeroing in on those that your son is talking to regularly

THE PLAYER HAS TO DO HIS PART---IT JUST WONT FALL IN HIS LA-- IE MARKETING/BEING PRO-ACTIVE


Don't be waiting for them to call you !!!

WHO is your son talking to?
Is it on a regular basis?
What schools has he applied to?

TRhit
He has applied to 5 schools for "school only" as the baseball coaches have not returned calls, emails. Some letters have been responded to w/ the questionaire..which was filled out a year ago. Again, I think he needs to cross these schools off his list. (as far as baseball goes)
In the process of applying to 2 schools- with coaches to whom he's been talking to on a regular basis.


BUT, I think he's holding out hope that new coaches will enter the picture...We'll see. As you yourself have said, "There's a big difference between a HS junior and a HS senior"

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

Most parents and players think that the more letters they receive from a coach the more interest they have, and that is a logical conclusion. You also feel better when they identify a certain asset - we like your arm, your speed, your defense etc. as it shows they know something about you, ie they have done their homework.

As coaches are human too, would it not stand to reason that they would think your interest is higher if they hear from you more often. And they might like to know exactly what it is about their program that makes it stand out to you.

Talk to the coaches you want to play for - even if they have not yet shown a lot of interest. Get to know them - let them get to know you. After a few calls you will have a much more clear idea of whether they have any interest.

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TR, maybe I'm just slow - but are ya saying that when injuries arise the coaches you know will just "look harder" and find money that wasn't there before??
boosters, creative book-keeping, or bad book-keeping?? or all of the above??

and when a player becomes academicly inelligeble his scholarship is just taken away, even in mid-yr??


08 Confused 08
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BEE

It is funny when in time of need things happen--Yes they have been known to look harder and perhaps all the scholarship $$ in hand has not been used

My sons scholarship was increased after his first 6 months because they had money left over--ever here the phrase--"don't use it you lose it"-- it can happ

And yes kids do flunk out--the kid gets bad grades and then leaves school because he knows he cannot play or he is just flot out unhappy there--there is no one set reason

Egg Nog goes into the stomach not the keyboard--"fuzzy" keys make for thicker fingers

Happy Holidays

TRhit
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Bee and TR,
You are talking about players currently on the team correct? I was referring to the recruits.
Isn't is likely some won't make it onto the campus because they will elect to go in the draft, get injured, don't get accepted or something??? I'm sure it's a very small number as the coaches are most likely diligent in their research of the recruit, but I bet it happens. A long shot noidea maybe!

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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby, Hall of Famer

Our experience is that a fair number of recruits in the fall do not end up on campus the following year. For my son, he tried pretty hard to get a DI to look at him. Recruiting coordinator(no longer in the business) was extremely arrogant in telling him of the great player they signed for his postion. This after having us wait for him for 45 minutes on a visit to the school. Turned out the player signed in the fall did not have the grades to be admitted. My son then got weekly calls from the coach trying to talk him out of going to the DIII program he chose and come to their school. The answer was a resounding NO! A second DI had 2 of their signees drafted and 2 not qualify for admission and they offered a scholarship in late July after watching the post season legion tournament. My son chose the the DIII program and the coach who called every week from the time he saw my son at the Stanford camp until he finally stepped on campus. He is competely happy and has progressed to the point that the school had their very first scout day and 13 scouts came to see him. So yes, spots with the DI programs will become available. In our case, the charisma of DI wore off pretty early by the recruiting experience. The choice he made was perfect for him.
I thought I might bring this thread back to life for those who are in the spring signing boat

Our kids who will sign in the spring are now revving it up, so to speak-- visits are happening--- calls are increasing--- they are getting accepted to the schools that they have applied to--- calls and emails to me regarding which of our kids are still open have increased in number

Folks now is the time to get your ducks in a row!!!!

If anyone needs some help or just to ask a few questions give me a call-- I will help you as best I can--sometimes a shoulder not in the picture is the best to lean on---

Good Luck
Tom Rizzi
www.collegeselect.org
800-782-3672

TRhit
Tom, I could not agree more. I am a highschool coach in Texas and the vast majority of kids from our school who have signed have done so in the spring. True the very top players sign in the fall but the vast majority of numbers are signed in the spring. Tom thanks for all of your great posts as I believe you have some great insight.
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