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Well, if you have been reading the HSBBW you will see this discussed in many different threads. The consensus is that Cape Cod is probably the most prestigious. After that, there are many other excellent wooden bat leagues that recruit nationally, including New England, New York Collegiate, Coastal Plain, Florida State, Great Lakes, Northwoods, Alaska (some say that is in the same level as Cape Cod), etc.
However, there are good men's leagues all over the place where your son can get innings in, but might not require the same total committment of time and energy as the ones mentioned above. You might not get the exposure in those leagues, but they can be great places to work on mechanics, etc. My son played in the New England League last summer, had a ball, but elected to just play near home this summer and work on some pitching mechanics. It's worked out great for him.

Good luck.
To second the Alaska league, the level of play is just phenomonal. I am the batboy for one of the teams so I get to see the action firsthand. Our league has produced some big stars. This years star is Chad Tracy, son of Jim. And last year, Jeff Weaver was last years stud. If you want to have a summer of your dreams coem to Alaska. How many bus trips can you focus on the outdoors more than you focus on the inside stuff? Ask me all the questions you want about the ABL. And our very own Tallman_07 is here!
Benchwarmer

My brother had the chance to play on the Cape some time ago and I remember his feeling then was that "MAYBE" this means he had a chance?

TR talked about the aura and the mystique of the Cape, which I agree with, but I think that most who have an opportunity to play in this venue KNOW that this invitation carries more significance than any other league.

Its where you find out where you stand.
Just like we have always said in our high school cirlces, you never know who is watching....The boys on the Cape go through a scout-filled summer and won't know for sure WHO is going to make it. It COULD be a time that you discover you don't throw hard enough or are not fast enough, etc....But often times you get your foot in the door and your summer performance keeps it open.
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I saw ASU play one of the toughest NCAA schedules in the country. Then I go to the Cape and every pitcher throws like the top 1 or 2 on the best college staffs. Look at the sheer number of ML players that played on the Cape. Look at the % of kids drafted from the Cape teams. No disrespect to Alaska but The Cape is where a player makes a name for himself.
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From my perspective, based on input from our son who played in both the Alaska League (freshman) and the Cape Cod League (sophomore):

The Alaska League has many pluses, and some are dependent on which team you are affiliated with. Our son was in the Kenai Peninsula, and he loved the outdoor life there, the fishing, the experiences with the residents, and a wonderful host 'mom' who made home cooked meals for him and his roommate as late as midnight. Other interesting aspects of the League:
>>There are many quality players affiliated with strong college programs so the competition is good
>>Some players do not like the distances they have to travel between cities (Kenai Peninsula is 14-17 hours away from Fairbanks, depending on whether the bus has fully inflated tires or has a couple that went flat along the way)
>>The number of fans that come to the games is relatively small compared to other leagues like the Cape, Northwoods, etc
>>There is quite an adjustment to the long daylight hours ... some players adapt well, some don't
>>The fields are not in particularly good condition
>>It is very very far away from home and very very expensive to visit
>>The players use composite bats (not 100% wood)
>>Teams allow former professional players because Alaska residents cannot be restricted from participating (per Alaska law) and generally do not have the same restrictions as teams like the Cape which are "sanctioned" by the NCAA
>>MLB SCOUTS DO NOT COME UP VERY OFTEN, tho there are more there during the championship series. (The Alaskan League players whose teams make it to Wichita for the NBC World Series are probably seen by more scouts during that trip than in Alaska.)

The Cape Cod League, on the other hand, has all the wonderful things going for it that have been stated before:
>>Quality competition with and against some of the nation's best college players
>>Great fan support, limited only by the seating at the various fields
>>The "mystique" of the Cape Cod League and its history as TR mentioned
>>Lots and lots of exposure to MLB scouts
But it does have its limits as well:
>>Not particularly good fields, tho not the worst (have seen minor league fields that are far worse)
>>Quality players who may see more play time than other players on the team, causing limitations to innings pitched, at bats, and defensive time on the field which is the reason players come ... to play the game, to improve, to get noticed

Our son enjoyed both experiences, but did decide that if he had not been drafted after his junion season, he was going to go back to Alaska for one more summer for another "once in a life time" experience in the frontier environment of Alaska.
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Every league mentioned here has some great attributes, as do several not mentioned (the Valley League, Texas Collegiate and Clark Griffith to name a few).

Not every player on the Cape is drafted and not every player drafted is successful. Likewise, there are many great players in other leagues with no desire to go to the Cape, which does have remarkably pedestrian fields in a great setting.

To me, the advantage on the Cape seems strongly skewed toward to pitching, which throws lots of evaluations off, both for pitchers and hitter. Definitely, pitchers have a huge advantage for all sorts of reasons.
There are two more items that need to be considered. The college coach may tell you where to play or he may NOT allow a player to play summer ball at all. For instance, my son’s former college coach did not allow pitchers to compete during the summer. (There were a few exceptions.) The college coach will often have ties with the summer programs and they will act as a feeder program for leagues and sometimes specific teams within those leagues. The other factor is the academics...Many players are required to improve their academics during the summer to be eligible to compete the following spring and don’t have time to play summer ball. These players will help with summer camps.
Fungo
My son does not and will never play in the Cape League(no rose colored glasses here)...the Cape League has been here for many years...other Leagues come and go allthewhile the Cape continues to draw the best in baseball to its venue....why....well, perhaps, because it is a well run organization which many others attempt to emulate...it is strongly supported by each and every community on the Cape...there is a certain ambiance or aura that surrounds the magic of playing there...yes, they could enhance the quality of their fields but popular belief is that they do not choose to...how awesome to run the bases knowing this is where many a current and former pro player has stood...they is no admission to the games...they do receive sponsorship money to pay for the umpires, equippment etc...but where else can you go to watch a quality game, sitting in your lawn chair, smelling the breezes off the ocean, have a cooling breath of air waifing by, smell the aroma of hot dogs grilling and be where movies have been made and songs have been written about...the Cape is bustling yet tranquil...it is where you go to regroup and ponder...it is one of the best places this country has to offer Smile
Fungo,
I could have written you post. My son played Coastal Plains freshmen year. He played about 3 weeks in the Great Lakes League this summer, before heading back to school to take 2 summer classes. For some players, the time spent playing ball and keeping up with academics is pretty tough. There are several teammates in summer school as well.
jemaz,
Imagine a scale....young man recieves an invitation for another league in his right hand...in his left he holds an invitation to the Cape League.....at the moment they are balanced...but I do believe given the choice the left hand will win 99% of the time...remember most other leagues are based upon a coaches recommendation but to be invited to the Cape requires a pro scout referral...I will never believe that the Cape is overblown...but, then again, I am entitled to my opinion and am biased having lived 45 minutes from the Cape my entire life Smile
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Nothing will ever match the taste of the old 8oz coke. No car will ever duplicate the emotions stirred by the ’57 Chevrolet, and no singer will ever come close to being an Elvis Presley. Are these things I mention the “best”. Yes they are. They are the best because they are the benchmark that everything is measured against. I never owned a ’57 Chevrolet, NuGrape was my favorite drink as a kid, and I have never owned an Elvis tape/record/disc.
Cape Cod baseball is the benchmark in collegiate summer league baseball. No person can show you a picture or write a post that describes why baseball on the Cape is the best. We all know it ....and we have to leave it at that.
Fungo
bbscout ...

I thought the avenue you described was the primary way players make it to the Cape. Some major programs have players there year in and year out, oft times on the same team (tho no more than 4 from one school on one team). UC Riverside generally placed one player on the Harwich team, and one of AJ's teammates was there at the time he went to Hyannis. But AJ got to Hyannis a little differently ... his pitching coach in Alaska in '02 was going to be the new pitching coach in Hyannis and he spoke with the head coach ... thus AJ was invited. The interesting turn of events ... the Alaska pitching coach ended up back in Alaska instead of in Hyannis so AJ went to the Cape but didn't see his former coach.
The Last Best League

Re: The Chatham A's and Coach Schiffner

Schiffner penciled in players' names in neat block letters, along with their positions and colleges. Some of the names had been on his lined paper for a couple years. Some had just been added. Almost all had been recommended by professional scouts and college coaches who understood what this league demanded of and meant to a young player.
cathermom:

You might be surprised at the choices that are made. As I said, the Cape is great, but it is not the end all and be all and the fields are not just subpar, some are downright bad.

And I have seen players thrive at the Cape and then fail back in school and vice versa and some of the best players never go to the Cape.

The point is, make the best of it regardless of where you play, and if you never get to the Cape, life will go on.

Personally, I prefer the Northwoods League for all sorts of reasons. I love the charm of the Valley League, which I think (except for the publicity) outcharms the Cape, and I think the Texas Collegiate League will be very big time. And, as is the case in all baseball out there, the California leagues have loads of talent. Even the very quaint Arizona summer leagues have a number of big time players better than most of the guys on the Cape each year.
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Another factor that influences college coaches in sending their players to certain leagues and teams is tampering. Unfortunately, many college assistant coaches take advantage of coaching in the summer and they end up 'recruiting' players from their rosters or other rosters in the league. It is a huge concern for many college coaches.
grateful ...
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Another factor that influences college coaches in sending their players to certain leagues and teams is tampering.

Tho I cannot address this aspect (because of course I honestly believe that coaches would never do something like this), I did hear some stories about players tipping off summer teammates ... who were disgruntled at their schools ... about possible openings at their schools. Hmmm... isn't that pretty close to a violation as well noidea
My son has played in the Valley League for two years, and has been fortunate enough to live at home during the summer, 15 minutes from the field. The league, located primarily in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, has been around for many many years, does have a lot of scenic rural field locations (New Market has been featured in a number of national magazine articles), good fan support (crowds range from 200 to 1000), nice fields for the most part, and frequent scout visits, but not as extensive as the Cape. Traffic is easy, unlike the Cape, many field locations are within 45-60 minutes of each other (Covington is always a decent ride). The only negative I've seen is way too much inconsistent umpiring, including a few with oversized chips on their shoulder. Players stay with host families and generally get the rock star treatment from the communities where they play. The players seem to enjoy it immensely, although truth be told, at this late time of the season, like players in most summer leagues, they're all physically and mentally tired and want the season to be over so they can "have a life" for a few weeks before school starts. These guys have been playing ball since January, a long grind.
hokieone, I aree with your assessment of the Valley League, I was there at Harrisonburg when
Madison was a girl's college. Beautiful scenery between the two "mountain" ranges and the people
are first class all the way. I will always have fond memories of Mr Lineweaver and Mr Armentrout
waiting after every game to "congratulate" Wink the star players of each game.

Umpiring was and always will be questionable(with exceptions given to our resident Blues)-it's
the same here in the Florida Collegiate Summer League. A few good-the rest, ????.

I would never question a young man's choice to play in any summer collegiate league-each one has
it's own uniqueness and to claim one is better than another IMO is silly. Cape Cod is the Granddaddy and an honor to be invited to play. Did any of you "old timers" ever believe the
Fiesta Bowl would ever be mentioned in the same paragraph as the Rose, Cotton, Orange, and
Sugar?

Just enjoy the experience no matter where you are.
A combination of coach refererals, summer league coach scouting, and many players sending inquiries to teams through their web sites, with the coach and/or general manager followup. My son's team owner said he had hundreds of applications, but really did go through all of them, checked out quite a few, and some invitations resulted. Players are from all across the country, from local Virginia guys to California, and everywhere in between, some big name D-1's, some no name D-3's, and everything in between. "Big name school" D-1 players have an edge in getting invites, but a lot of D-2 and a fair number of D-3 players are in the league. There seem to be a lot of players from the south, but there are large numbers from all over the country so where a player goes to school geographically doesn't seem to matter, although travel reimbursement is higher to players from further away.

p.s. Moc1-good point. The main thing is to play somewhere. Players get better by playing, period, and these guys are all well above the playing level attained by most of the baseball lovers of this world. Summer ball is a great experience for the players and cheap entertainment for the fans.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by FutureBack.Mom:
From my perspective, based on input from our son who played in both the Alaska League (freshman) and the Cape Cod League (sophomore):

The Alaska League has many pluses, and some are dependent on which team you are affiliated with. Our son was in the Kenai Peninsula, and he loved the outdoor life there, the fishing, the experiences with the residents, and a wonderful host 'mom' who made home cooked meals for him and his roommate as late as midnight. Other interesting aspects of the League:
>>There are many quality players affiliated with strong college programs so the competition is good
>>Some players do not like the distances they have to travel between cities (Kenai Peninsula is 14-17 hours away from Fairbanks, depending on whether the bus has fully inflated tires or has a couple that went flat along the way)
>>The number of fans that come to the games is relatively small compared to other leagues like the Cape, Northwoods, etc
>>There is quite an adjustment to the long daylight hours ... some players adapt well, some don't
>>The fields are not in particularly good condition
>>It is very very far away from home and very very expensive to visit
>>The players use composite bats (not 100% wood)
>>Teams allow former professional players because Alaska residents cannot be restricted from participating (per Alaska law) and generally do not have the same restrictions as teams like the Cape which are "sanctioned" by the NCAA
>>MLB SCOUTS DO NOT COME UP VERY OFTEN, tho there are more there during the championship series. (The Alaskan League players whose teams make it to Wichita for the NBC World Series are probably seen by more scouts during that trip than in Alaska.)

They have improved some of the fields up here but we are in Alaska, so it can't be perfect. The ABL took a hit because the GM's decided to only send the league champs to Wichita instead of the top 2 teams. Alaska isn't the Cape Cod League, BUT it is still a good place to enjoy your summer. Families struggle to come up and during Alaskan summers, everyone is out camping, fishing or hunting and there isn't a big fan turnout. The Anchorage teams do have a solid fan base but the other teams struggle somewhat I think.
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The only negative I've seen is way too much inconsistent umpiring, including a few with oversized chips


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at this late time of the season, like players in most summer leagues, they're all physically and mentally tired and want the season to be over so they can "have a life" for a few weeks before school starts. These guys have been playing ball since January, a long grind.


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Just enjoy the experience no matter where you are.


My observations, too............
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Hey all..I guess I better say a few things while I'm in Alaska playing in the ABL. stangsbaseball24 who are you a batboy for up here? Did I throw against you?

Baseball in Alaska is awesome. I play on Athletes in Action and we do something a little different in that we have bible studies every day along with baseball. So, we have two main focuses, baseball and our relationships with Jesus Christ. In that sometimes it's hard to be dealing with life issues that you haven't delt with and then go and compete againts the best college players in the country. I know for myself I've had a wonderful experience here. No there are not many fans, no there are not many scouts, no the fields are not the best, but they are not that bad either. You honestly can't beat how beautiful Alaska is though. I came up to Alaska from going to a Junior College and after this summer I know that I can compete with top D1 talent now. I held a 1.50 ERA going into my last start and got murdered by the Matsu Miners to finish my ABL season with a 3.06. Mad

If you are looking for good baseball, and just a fun summer in somewhere a lot different, Alaska is the place to be. I really would love to come back, but I also would love to experience the Cape, or the Northwoods as well.

Tallman

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