Comments welcome - swing analysis

Don't feel bad everyone here is a hitting coach,just ask them.Anyways imo he needs to learn a better lower load.go spend 16 bucks on the science of hitting.dig his right foot in keeping the weight on the inside part of his right foot.You dont want to loose the right foot by swaying like amateurs do in golf.This is huge,Pick the the left knee straight up and while moving forward turn it back toward the catcher.Dont open the knee when going forward turn the knee back to the catcher.If you do this corectly you will feel the right foot wanting to turn in its shoe toward the catcher,THATS why you dig in so you dont lose the load.If you do that correctly you are 1/2 way there.Next make sure that bat knob faces the catcher. He looks smooth and relaxed.Buy the book.its worth more than any private lesson

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, I read books and watch youtube because I can't afford a hitting "coach" even if I wanted.

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
Thanks for the input.

Yeah, I read books and watch youtube because I can't afford a hitting "coach" even if I wanted.

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

Wog hits the nail on the head. Have him turn in his knee, it will feel like the foot is turning in the shoe. Regard the pictures/description of the berm for how to get this feeling. Once he gets that... he'll be on his way in terms of his lower body.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
Thanks for the input.

Yeah, I read books and watch youtube because I can't afford a hitting "coach" even if I wanted.

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

Wog hits the nail on the head. Have him turn in his knee, it will feel like the foot is turning in the shoe. Regard the pictures/description of the berm for how to get this feeling. Once he gets that... he'll be on his way in terms of his lower body.

Just ordered the book through Amazon. I also have read "Lau's Laws on Hitting" which I found extremely valuable.

Two excellent books, but different approaches. Most folks think one or the other. Personally I believe that an efficient power stroke will have both rotational and linear elements.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

My opinion about hitting coaches are those non professional types who do it for a quick buck.

I don't know what a MLB hitting coach makes but I would think it would be more than me.

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

sure you do...

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

Wog hits the nail on the head. Have him turn in his knee, it will feel like the foot is turning in the shoe. Regard the pictures/description of the berm for how to get this feeling. Once he gets that... he'll be on his way in terms of his lower body.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

sure you do...

Amazing

Okay, so I own a copy of Ted's book..so I went back and read through it again...

First thing.

He talks about that the wrists remain unbroken until AFTER impact (bat on ball).

Any comments about this?

So I went looking for a video of his swing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t=PLBA4DE17356CA346C


What about the low hands? What about the 'dip' of the hands at load.
What about the low finish?

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

Good hitters don't bend their front knee to get to the low pitch. They "swivel" (for lack of a better term) the barrel to the ball, and the shoulders react (from a feel standpoint).

Hanson Principle should ALWAYS be applied, even to Ted Williams' book.

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Originally posted by ctandc:
Okay, so I own a copy of Ted's book..so I went back and read through it again...

First thing.

He talks about that the wrists remain unbroken until AFTER impact (bat on ball).

Any comments about this?

So I went looking for a video of his swing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t=PLBA4DE17356CA346C


What about the low hands? What about the 'dip' of the hands at load.
What about the low finish?

Dip of the hands is for "Tip n' Rip", which, if done properly, adds tremendous power. The tip is felt in the hands, but the wrists are basically frozen into their positions. You don't tip by bending your wrists. The low hands are to facilitate the "Tip n' Rip", and the low finish is (as my moniker indicates), IMO, desirable. You should finish low on pitches above the belt, and at about shoulder level below the belt.

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:
Thanks for the input.

Yeah, I read books and watch youtube because I can't afford a hitting "coach" even if I wanted.

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

Wog hits the nail on the head. Have him turn in his knee, it will feel like the foot is turning in the shoe. Regard the pictures/description of the berm for how to get this feeling. Once he gets that... he'll be on his way in terms of his lower body.

Just ordered the book through Amazon. I also have read "Lau's Laws on Hitting" which I found extremely valuable.

Williams is far more valuable than Lau. The original purpose of Lau's system was to prevent hitters from Williams. The Science of Hitting is a far better book, though a little skimpy on HOW to do it.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

sure you do...

To be clear, I was paraphrasing LowFinish

Ted Williams is a pretty good place to start, but... you are not Ted Williams. He had insane vision, probably the best in the history of baseball. Insane reflexes and strength. He could have come back from WWII with a hook for a right hand and still hit .275.

All players have different levels of ability. You have to find what you are good at and build on that skill and find what you are bad at and try to eliminate that from your swing. If you are terrible at hitting high balls learn to let them go. If you are great at hitting low balls look for them. You see it everyday in MLB. Low ball hitters, high ball hitters, inside out oppo, dead pull etc... Accentuate your strengths and avoid your weaknesses.

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

as always BRILLIANT,,have any more smileys?

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

sure you do...

Amazing

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Originally posted by Doughnutman:
Ted Williams is a pretty good place to start, but... you are not Ted Williams. He had insane vision, probably the best in the history of baseball. Insane reflexes and strength. He could have come back from WWII with a hook for a right hand and still hit .275.

All players have different levels of ability. You have to find what you are good at and build on that skill and find what you are bad at and try to eliminate that from your swing. If you are terrible at hitting high balls learn to let them go. If you are great at hitting low balls look for them. You see it everyday in MLB. Low ball hitters, high ball hitters, inside out oppo, dead pull etc... Accentuate your strengths and avoid your weaknesses.

Get off your high horse,,what kind of way to start a conversation.You are not ted williams,ted had great vision,blah blah blah.I am talking specifically on the correct way to load.its in williams book.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:

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Originally posted by Jimmy33:

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Originally posted by Low Finish:

Hitting coaches are overrated. Go buy a copy of The Science of Hitting. It's like The Bible, except for learning to hit a baseball. If Ted says he did it, it's right. There's only one thing I'd ignore, and that's when he talks about hitting a low pitch. Don't do it like that.

as always BRILLIANT,,have any more smileys?

That's why Major League teams invest in them. If they were overrated do you think they would waste the money on them?

"Do exactly what Ted tells you, he knew everything about hitting... Except about the low pitch, I know more than him on that one"

What?

sure you do...

Amazing

Yeah, we already saw that one too.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
Get off your high horse,,what kind of way to start a conversation.You are not ted williams,ted had great vision,blah blah blah.I am talking specifically on the correct way to load.its in williams book.

You have a certain adolescent rude quality.

He's right, you aren't Ted Williams. And the way Ted Williams did things is not necessarily "proper" for anybody but Ted Williams.

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
Get off your high horse,,what kind of way to start a conversation.You are not ted williams,ted had great vision,blah blah blah.I am talking specifically on the correct way to load.its in williams book.

You have a certain adolescent rude quality.

He's right, you aren't Ted Williams. And the way Ted Williams did things is not necessarily "proper" for anybody but Ted Williams.

who really cares what you think..you are the typical chest pounding dad know it all that i've ran into too many times in my son's baseball life.You have it all figured out and then you go and rail on anybody else's ideas..maybe you can work for our current commander in chief.oh heres a smiley for ya jackamoe

Can't agree with you,this particular topic. Ted Williams had a particular STYLE. Every MLB hitter has his own style. However, launch to contact (.167 seconds) is a time where EVERY hitter looks the same.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
who really cares what you think..you are the typical chest pounding dad know it all that i've ran into too many times in my son's baseball life.You have it all figured out and then you go and rail on anybody else's ideas..maybe you can work for our current commander in chief.oh heres a smiley for ya jackamoe

I'm not railing on your ideas, they aren't yours. As far as I can see you haven't posted on an original thought since I've been here.

Chest pounding? Where? Please show even one post where I have even made a suggestion to someone about hitting. Or told someone to get off their "high horse". Do you own a mirror?

I not only don't know it all, I don't even know the questions. What I don't do is run around the internet telling people what they need to do to hit a baseball. And I certainly don't use bumper sticker slogans to do it.

If you don't care what I think, why do you reply?

Yes, I spell checked your post. The "I" in "I've" should be capitalized.

Oh, and I do work for the current CINC.

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Can't agree with you,this particular topic. Ted Williams had a particular STYLE. Every MLB hitter has his own style. However, launch to contact (.167 seconds) is a time where EVERY hitter looks the same.

Who are you addressing?

Philip, a 13 y/o swing.

Con: Not a fan of
a) Weight transfer
b) Lack of Tracking
c) May have to learn how to get foot down
d) Quality Reps

Pro:
1) Great Size
2) Bat speed
3) Moment of truth
4) Seems to enjoy the reps


Great age. Great tool.
Enjoyed the music on the video.
Almost seems Philip was dancing with it!

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Originally posted by Bear:
Philip, a 13 y/o swing.

Con: Not a fan of
a) Weight transfer
b) Lack of Tracking
c) May have to learn how to get foot down
d) Quality Reps

Pro:
1) Great Size
2) Bat speed
3) Moment of truth
4) Seems to enjoy the reps


Great age. Great tool.
Enjoyed the music on the video.
Almost seems Philip was dancing with it!

Thank you for your input.

His coach saw during his first season of select ball that he was not swinging at quality pitches and he was very nervous (white knuckle death grip on bat). This got better during the end of the season as did his power but he still had more power in his swing that he was not utilizing (I thought).

I had him try to exaggerate his weight transfer so that he feels it. Basically I looked at a lot of youtube swing analysis of MLB players and liked Rafael Palmerio swing the best.

I'm going to read through Ted Williams book The Science of Hitting and see what pointers I can pick out.

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Originally posted by NDD:

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
who really cares what you think..you are the typical chest pounding dad know it all that i've ran into too many times in my son's baseball life.You have it all figured out and then you go and rail on anybody else's ideas..maybe you can work for our current commander in chief.oh heres a smiley for ya jackamoe

I'm not railing on your ideas, they aren't yours. As far as I can see you haven't posted on an original thought since I've been here.

Chest pounding? Where? Please show even one post where I have even made a suggestion to someone about hitting. Or told someone to get off their "high horse". Do you own a mirror?

I not only don't know it all, I don't even know the questions. What I don't do is run around the internet telling people what they need to do to hit a baseball. And I certainly don't use bumper sticker slogans to do it.

If you don't care what I think, why do you reply?

Yes, I spell checked your post. The "I" in "I've" should be capitalized.

Oh, and I do work for the current CINC.

lol

here the jackamoe goes again..wants ORIGINAL ideas..lol..doesnt want the right info wants ORIGINAL info...how funny

I do agree you dont know it all,,, it shows ..so we do agree on that,,as a matter of fact after searchin a few of your old posts I would say you you are lost..still "all in" on that hitting method?.lol

maybe you should listen up before you go all in down the wrong road..lol..original ideas..thats just a beaute.lol..all in.???haha..

I knew you had all the "fine" qualities of our ccin didnt I..??.lol

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Originally posted by tradosaurus:

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Originally posted by Bear:
Philip, a 13 y/o swing.

Con: Not a fan of
a) Weight transfer
b) Lack of Tracking
c) May have to learn how to get foot down
d) Quality Reps

Pro:
1) Great Size
2) Bat speed
3) Moment of truth
4) Seems to enjoy the reps


Great age. Great tool.
Enjoyed the music on the video.
Almost seems Philip was dancing with it!

Thank you for your input.

His coach saw during his first season of select ball that he was not swinging at quality pitches and he was very nervous (white knuckle death grip on bat). This got better during the end of the season as did his power but he still had more power in his swing that he was not utilizing (I thought).

I had him try to exaggerate his weight transfer so that he feels it. Basically I looked at a lot of youtube swing analysis of MLB players and liked Rafael Palmerio swing the best.

I'm going to read through Ted Williams book The Science of Hitting and see what pointers I can pick out.

I'm glad you are willing to open your mind and spend a few bucks for the book.It will certainly save you some big time and money in the long run..just remember this..teach your kid a hip load and a hand load and teach him the way ted says to do it,,THEN look at some clips of alberts lower half ESPECIALLY his right BUTTCHEEK when he loads..strive for that!If you pm me i will also suggest a few other things to help you teach your kid the correct way to get him started.if you read teaching my 9 year old how to hit ,you will see a good little comment from one of the best baseball guys i ever had contact with.If i would have listened to him before I went ALL IN down the path of no return I may have saved my first son..good luck to u and ur boy!

heres a link to some good tidbits..I HOPE you don't mind they they are not my ORIGINAL thoughts..LOL

http://www.swing-smarter-baseb...ence-of-hitting.html

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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Can't agree with you,this particular topic. Ted Williams had a particular STYLE. Every MLB hitter has his own style. However, launch to contact (.167 seconds) is a time where EVERY hitter looks the same.

ted was truly amazing,,great lower load along with great early bat speed.who needs original ideas when the right stuff is right in front of your nose.What i found funny is knowing how ndd's tactics mirror just what the current administration does to anybody that disagrees with them..A little common sense goes along way when trying to figure out people..did I calll this one though?...lol..ndd is probably van jones..lol

What makes a good hitting Coach?

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Originally posted by HittersCount:
What makes a good hitting Coach?

That's a good question and one that you can't answer unless you understand the fundementals of hitting yourself.

Joe Blow can tell you to go see someone for hitting instruction but how will you know if that will be good advice until after spent a few hundred dollars?

Based on my own learning curve trying to understand hitting mechanics I believe most private hitting instructors don't understand and complicate the process.

Trad,

You have an answer to your question via email

Regards
Bear

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Originally posted by HittersCount:
What makes a good hitting Coach?

Good question. A good hitting coach has the same relative qualities as any other type of coach, teacher, instructor, etc. The ability to understand the student as an individual and get that student to understand the message (lesson) on his/her terms. Ted Williams was one of the greatest hitters... i wonder if he would be able to explain his hitting concept to a 14YO baseball player on a level that they could understand.