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Confused on missed base.........

C cccsdad100+ posts
I was under the impression that if a player misses a base, then touches the next base, he/she can no longer return to the base they missed and even if they do, can be out on appeal? Say you hit the ball to the fence, you miss 1st and touch 2nd, at that point, you can not return to touch first, since you've touched the next base. Is this correct? I know if you don't tag up, and you advance to the next base, you can return to the base that you came from.

OBR 7.10
Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when --
(a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged;
Rule 7.10(a) Comment: “Retouch,” in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.
(b) With the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged.
APPROVED RULING: (1) No runner may return to touch a missed base after a following runner has scored. (2) When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or one he has left after he has advanced to and touched a base beyond the missed base.

If I read the above right is it saying that you can return to the base you missed as long as the ball is live, even if you've already touched the next base?

Is it stating that if you miss 3rd, then touch home,then the guy behind you scores, at that point you can not return to touch 3rd?

Also, under what circumstancs can you return to a base when the ball is dead. I was under the impression that when the ball is dead, you stay put?

Is it sayin that, runner on 1st, batter hits a ground rule double, runner on 1st misses 2nd and advances to 3rd, batter goes to 2nd. Since the ball is dead on the ground rule double, the runner on 3rd can not return to touch 2nd.

Sorry for so many questions, I've probablly made this more difficult than it need be.
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LonBlue67LonBlue67100+ posts
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Originally posted by cccsdad:
I was under the impression that if a player misses a base, then touches the next base, he/she can no longer return to the base they missed and even if they do, can be out on appeal? Say you hit the ball to the fence, you miss 1st and touch 2nd, at that point, you can not return to touch first, since you've touched the next base. Is this correct?


No. The runner can return and correct his miss (or attempt to) anytime while the ball is live.
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OBR 7.10
Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when --
(a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged;
Rule 7.10(a) Comment: “Retouch,” in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.
(b) With the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged.
APPROVED RULING: (1) No runner may return to touch a missed base after a following runner has scored. (2) When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or one he has left after he has advanced to and touched a base beyond the missed base.

If I read the above right is it saying that you can return to the base you missed as long as the ball is live, even if you've already touched the next base?

Also in bold, this doesn't make sense to me, how does a following runner score? If the runner passes you, are they not out?


Example: Runners on Second and Third, double to left-field. Runner on Third misses home plate, Runner from Second comes behind him and steps on home plate. The previous runner (who was on Third) now cannot return to the plate (or any other base, for that matter) and correct his error. He is out upon a proper appeal by the defense.
LonBlue67LonBlue67100+ posts
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Is it sayin that, runner on 1st, batter hits a ground rule double, runner on 1st misses 2nd and advances to 3rd, batter goes to 2nd. Since the ball is dead on the ground rule double, the runner on 3rd can not return to touch 2nd.



In FED, if the runner is at or beyond the next base when the ball goes dead (in this case, at or beyond Third) he cannot return to Second and correct his mistake. If he were between Second and Third in your case, he can, and the runners must be allowed to complete their baserunning responsibilities without liability of being put out. In that case, upon the 'dead ball' call, umpire tells runner, 'you are awarded Third', now it is up to the runner to return to Second, retouch, and then go to Third. If he does not, and goes on to Third without retouching, he is liable to an appeal by the defense.
jjkjjk500+ posts
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The previous runner (who was on Third) now cannot return to the plate (or any other base, for that matter) and correct his error. He is out upon a proper appeal by the defense.


And to add, if the 1st runner was appealed for the 3rd out,no runs would score, no matter how many cross behind him.

How bout this:
R1, 2 out, full count, going on the pitch.
Long towering moon shot to RC, R1 misses second while digging for 3rd, he's, say 20',10' from 3RD when the ball goes OOP "bounces over" for a GR-DBL.

Blue kills it, says "you 3rd base", etc., the runner stops at 3rd, then realizes he's got to touch second, or even if he doesn't realize..

"Too late, but go ahead", ya think, with that evil umpire smirk. Now we'er upholding an appeal at 2nd and ringing him up, ouch. Only 39 more outs to go.
Thanks for the easy one..

So, how much extra effort do ya put into that "dead ball" call. Got me thinking now. What if there needed to be a conference with your partner, as to weather it was a HR of DBL? Gotta be sure and check the runners position first, don't lose focus on the runners, you may have a huge call on your hands. Tell me again why do we do this?
Oh that's right "best seat in the house".

How bout those M's, gotta plug our second (Bloomquist was the first) home town boy Jason Ellison, getting in tonight, first night in the M's uni..No AB, but that'll come. I worked the plate for both them kids in their LL days. See, good Ump-n can take a player far.. More like, they both gave up pitching after my dime size zone..

We get going around here in a couple weeks.

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