Congrats to Team STOCK!

That's awesome!

Congratulations Robert!

For those interested in seeing Robert throw a baseball his dad was nice enough to share a few clips with us over at pitching-mechanics.org.

To view the clips you'll probably have to register. You can click HERE for a direct link to his thread. There's also a clip of him swinging a bat in that thread.

Again, congratulations to Robert and all of "Team Stock"!

Jason

Congratulations to Robert! I know he and his dad have worked very hard - and smart - for many years, and it has been fun to continue watching his amazing accomplishments and progress.

Flipp, I registered in order to view clips. But it won't let me access them. Do you have any idea what I might be doing wrong?

JDsDad,
Flipp is the right person to ask, but I believe it can take a day or two to complete the registration process sometimes.

CADad is correct. After I registered, it took a day for me to get in.

I'm in. Thanks guys.

that kids arms gonna fall off! he pitches and then catches and then pitches the next day and throws 125 plus pitches with lots of curves! noone can take that for very long, specially at that age!

He's in much better hands than you.

fanothegame-

In all fareness to Robert, a lot of people that read this site may not detect your sense of humor. Robert is an excellent example of what can be done with outstanding work ethics and highly involved parent supervision.

TEAM STOCK

so what makes robert different than any other kid? why does he not need pitch count? so why is it not bad of his dad to let this happen? at 15 yrs old the kid just wants to play every inning he can! but isnt that why the medical society has somewhat interveened and told us what are allowable activities for a kid his age? most coaches would be hung verbally or otherwise if they pitched any kid 12-14 inns and played him at catcher when he wasnt pitching during a weekend tournament. or is there a reason robert can handle all that activity?

cap_n already listed the reasons...

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Robert is an excellent example of what can be done with outstanding work ethics and highly involved parent supervision.

Whether or not Robert's arm ends up falling off I think it's safe to say that being named Youth Player of the Year by Baseball America is a tremendous honor. Robert isn't your responsibility. Let's let his parents worry about him.

Again, congratulations "Team Stock"!!!

Jason

FlippJ-

You of all people should know a "phisherman" when you hear one. fanothegame is trying to make a point...it would be nice to hear what people have to say, pro or con, without trying to bait the masses. And actually, IMO this thread should just be left to congratulations of the highest baseball order to Robert (and his family, after all, they do feed him. )

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Originally posted by fanothegame:
so what makes robert different than any other kid? why does he not need pitch count? so why is it not bad of his dad to let this happen? at 15 yrs old the kid just wants to play every inning he can! but isnt that why the medical society has somewhat interveened and told us what are allowable activities for a kid his age? most coaches would be hung verbally or otherwise if they pitched any kid 12-14 inns and played him at catcher when he wasnt pitching during a weekend tournament. or is there a reason robert can handle all that activity?

There is little to no evidence that pitch counts work. After all, arm injuries are at an all time high.........yet many or most have been on pitch counts all their baseball life.

The biggest problem is arms aren't in shape. How do you get an arm in shape? You throw. Throw a lot. Throw often.

Sure there is a limit. But this generation is way on the wrong side of the limit. They don't throw everyday. They don't throw between starts. The only time they pick up a ball is in season and then only on game day.

Finally, suggesting that catching is worse on a pitchers arm than any other postition is "ole wives tale."

A catcher doesn't make any more stressful throws per game than any other position. And, if you're good it's way less.

The thread is about congratulating the Stocks, and my congrats go out to Robert and Greg also for helping Robert develop as a pitcher and hitter.

As far as pitch counts go, IMO most of it is BS and there is not a Dr. that will ever come out and give a definite amount of pitches pitchers should throw, because they don't know. I grew up in an era where pitchers in the big leagues pitched on 3 days rest and never came out of a game unless they were getting hit hard or walking guys.Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal hooked up in a 16 inning duel where they both threw over 200 pitches and nobody gave it a thought except to admire the great pitching duel. Marichal pitched 16 years in the big leagues and Spahn pitched 21 years.

The team trainers and the agents are the culprits.

The "babying" of arms these days is atrocious. People don't throw enough, and then when they go out to pitch and injure themselves, they blame it on too much pitching, and then throw even less.

Every day a pitcher should throw and throw and throw, till his (or her) arm is tired, then shut it down. Sleep and repeat. The more and more a pitcher does this, the more strong his arm becomes.

You know the best way to deal with a stiff arm after pitching the day before. Throw. You don't have to throw a bullpen or long toss, but play some catch, and not just a few throws.

And by the way, congratulations Robert Stock. Sounds like you work harder than most, but even better is that it's smarter work.

the biggest congratulations goes to the stocks for doing it thier way! for seeing past the opposing coaches, parents and naysayers that saw it mearly as abuse of a child. and that they knew and trusted that thier way would only make thier son stronger! for their researching, out of the box thinking,dedication while people got in thier face and thier sons dedication to thier plan. i applaud them wholeheartedly

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