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My son is a sophomore JC RHP.  During his freshman year he experienced ups and downs during the season (like a lot of young pitchers) but pitched well enough to receive (today) a very good offer from an NAIA as a starter.

 

However, his dream has always been to pitch D1 or high D2 and, therefore, he began to experiment this past college fall season with throwing submarine in bullpen sessions. Initially just for fun, but his teammates encouraged him to "show the coaches".  The pitching coach told him, "nope, don't want to see it". 

 

Finally, about midway through the fall, after some relentless prodding by my son and his teammates, the pitching coach said alright throw a couple.  Well, a couple became 25 pitches and the coach liked what he saw...particularly that his FB sat at 83-86mph during the session...mostly strikes with good movement.  So now my son is fully committed to sub pitching and being a reliever.  

 

My question is, based on your knowledge, can a RH side/sub pitcher have a realistic shot at a D1 or D2 team with velocity in the mid-80's?   I'm a little concerned about the late conversion as far as recruiting but, at the same time, encouraged by how quickly he picked up the low arm slot...literally in just a couple of weeks.

 

FYI:  He is going to attend a side/sub pitching camp in December at Miss State with the hopes of learning some of the finer points from some former MLB side/sub pitchers, but also to hopefully get some looks from some coaches at various levels.

 

Any comments are appreciated on the prospects of a submariner pitching D1 or D2 will be of interest.  

 

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I don't know the answer to your question but i have certainly seen a few side/sub pitchers in D1 over the past few years. In fact, I was at a scrimmage last weekend between Cal and Santa Clara and each team used one - I am guessing they could reach the mid-80's or higher with the FB but relied pretty heavily on their off-speed pitches. 

David Berg has had a pretty decent career at UCLA thus far, to say the least. (Collegiate Natl. Team, All America honors, CWS champion, Pac 12 1st Team, etc.)  He definitely pitches mid-80's tops. I believe he came to UCLA as a walk-on.

 

My son's D3 team faced an NAIA team early last season, their starting pitcher was a senior side-slinger, mid-80's.  He was signed as a Non-Drafted Free Agent by the LA Angels immediately following the draft.  He easily had D1 stuff.

Almost every team has one.  If they are good and KEEP THE BALL LOW, they can be very effective.  If they leave the ball up at all, it's like putting the ball on a tee and they will get hit.  My son's team has had one each of his first two years.  Neither wound up doing well and did not get many, if any innings.  They do not have one of those guys this season.  If you are going to do it, your command had better be exceptional and you had better keep the ball down.  If you do those things, there are not many coaches who wouldn't want to give you a chance.

 

Something to keep in mind.  Most teams carry between 16 & 18 pitchers.  The chances of getting on a college team are much better for pitchers than position players.  However, a team may only want one submarine guy.  So your odds go back down.  Your search for a team will narrow down to finding a coach who is not biased against submarine pitchers AND a team that doesn't already have one.  It can be done and there are guys who do it at a high level, but it is a niche position.

 

Don't mean to be discouraging, but how I see it.

I appreciate the perspectives everyone provides.  Fortunately, with my kid being 6'4 the coaches and scouts watch a little closer...not saying that's the end-all-be-all, but it gets their attention.  It sounds like if he continues to progress he may be fortunate enough to find a new home at a D2 or better. 

 

His current JUCO coach recently told me that my son could develop into a high D2 or D1 pitcher  with a "very high ceiling" and this was before the conversion to submarine...so, my son has certainly taken a path with more risk in hopes of reaching his goals.  We are just being supportive. 

 

Now it is a matter of getting visability as a submarine guy. Between a couple of camps and the team's spring trip to Florida, it should provide some opportunities to be seen by various coaches.

 

 

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