D1 Scholarships

When did new transfer rules take effect? 9/1? I wonder if it tames the portal a bit now that coaches/schools are potentially on the hook for all remaining years of remaining eligibility if if the player quits.

I don’t think so because players in portal for P5 are not quitting.  I would be interested to know how many P5 transfers don’t get very significant playing time

@nycdad posted:

When did new transfer rules take effect? 9/1? I wonder if it tames the portal a bit now that coaches/schools are potentially on the hook for all remaining years of remaining eligibility if if the player quits.

I didn't want to get into that although it could be a way of coaches slowing down the transfer process.

@PitchingFan posted:

I don’t think so because players in portal for P5 are not quitting.  I would be interested to know how many P5 transfers don’t get very significant playing time

Makes sense.

@TPM posted:

I sent Rick at Informed Athlete a pm today regarding differences between P5 and other D1 scholarships.

All Power 5 scholarships are for 4 years if the following conditions are satisfied:

1. The athlete signs a scholarship  agreement in which they receive scholarship money in their first year.

2. The scholarship is NOT a multi year scholarship that is written in such a way that years 2 or 3 ( for example) include zero dollars.

3. A P5 scholarship meeting the two conditions above can't be reduced or not renewed for reasons of athletic ability or performance but still can be reduced or cancelled if the athlete fails to maintain academic eligibility, has a student misconduct or team rules violation or chooses to enter the Transfer Portal.

If the athlete enrolls at a P5 school as a walk on in their first year but then is granted scholarship in their 2nd year, then it isn't required that the scholarship must be automatically renewed for the following years.

This can get a bit more complicated for transfers to D1 from another four year college under the new D1 transfer rules.

I did tell Rick that I was not going to go there on that, point, so my advice would be to contact him if there are questions or one needs advice in transfering and concerned about their  players scholarship.

Remember P5 D1 scholarship rules differ from D1 scholarship rules.

CBI asks some good questions, Pfan gives good insight. Any athlete wishing to transfer should not be punished in doing so, but as anything else in life, be aware that there are rules.

TPM

@TPM Good stuff. This is an eye opener.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@TPM Good stuff. This is an eye opener.

It's from Rick at Informed Athlete.

@TPM posted:

It's from Rick at Informed Athlete.

@tpm. Understood, you still raised to question.  It is good to know.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

@tpm. Understood, you still raised to question.  It is good to know.

What part of this did you not know?   P5 scholarships have been 4 years since 2018.  I know that some people do not realize that they cannot "technically" take away your scholarship, but they can tell you that they want you to enter the portal.  They can also tell you that they would like you to go to Juco and get some playing time and develop and that they will bring you back the next year, but once you leave, all bets are off and they don't owe you anything.  We had a few kids leave last December thinking they were coming back, but they weren't. Or if they ask you to give up your scholarship for a year and you sign off, all bets are off unless you have it all in writing.  I would suggest anyone dealing with this makes sure they know all the facts.  I am pretty well informed on this, but still consulted with Rick just to make sure my facts were right.  I think that making new teams pay for scholarships until graduation helps, but a lot of guys getting taken from the portal are already rising seniors or grad students so it won't help that much.

@baseballhs posted:

What part of this did you not know?   P5 scholarships have been 4 years since 2018.  I know that some people do not realize that they cannot "technically" take away your scholarship, but they can tell you that they want you to enter the portal.  They can also tell you that they would like you to go to Juco and get some playing time and develop and that they will bring you back the next year, but once you leave, all bets are off and they don't owe you anything.  We had a few kids leave last December thinking they were coming back, but they weren't. Or if they ask you to give up your scholarship for a year and you sign off, all bets are off unless you have it all in writing.  I would suggest anyone dealing with this makes sure they know all the facts.  I am pretty well informed on this, but still consulted with Rick just to make sure my facts were right.  I think that making new teams pay for scholarships until graduation helps, but a lot of guys getting taken from the portal are already rising seniors or grad students so it won't help that much.

College recruiting has had a myriad of changes on every level, thus some items might have been a quick read and put on the side.  One learns new things every day or when a specific  point is raised again, a ah ha moment comes and one connects the dots.

So @TPM reaching out to Rick and then communicating is fine with me.

Note, this might also be in one of the threads. So I'm good as for now I have a point of reference.

@TPM posted:

2. The scholarship is NOT a multi year scholarship that is written in such a way that years 2 or 3 ( for example) include zero dollars.

This is one of the reasons my son didn't take the offer his HS freshman year from what was then the top school on his list. Since it is a HA P5, they wanted him to take academic financial aid freshman year, then full ride baseball his sophomore year, then back to academic money junior year, then full ride baseball his senior year. As soon as that offer came to mind, I thought of a couple of things: if he didn't have baseball money his freshman year that would not qualify him for the full 4 years of athletic scholarship. Also, it seemed like they were setting it up so that if he turned out to get drafted his junior year, that they possible would only be on the hook for one of the three years there.

That is it.  only pay 2 years versus 3.  If his grades drop, he loses all of it.

@baseballhs

Because of the going back and forth in this topic, I reached out to Rick with his permission to post.

His reply actually supports what you have posted, however, be aware that there are lots of new folks reading and trying to learn about recruiting, and may not have known that P5 scholarships are not the same as D1.

Yes, I mentioned it in the other thread because it was clear some thought all were one year. Everyone should ask questions but also realize there are loopholes to everything.

This is an interesting topic, but what do you think about how the transfer portal has changed even P5 retention rates in the last couple years?  I would love to see stats on the number of P5 kids entering the portal. College baseball becomes a demanding lifestyle that no one will stick around a bad situation P5 or not

@2019Lefty21 posted:

College baseball becomes a demanding lifestyle that no one will stick around a bad situation P5 or not

I am sorry to repeat myself but for years parents have been complaining D1 transfer rules were unfair to the student athlete. Now that it is possible, without going to JUCO to get back to D1, either because you were asked to leave or want to on your own complaints still unfair. Or you don't have to have a coach burn your redshirt year with a one or two inning thrown or a 1 at bat (my pet peeve).

The Transfer Portal has opened opportunities for many. Today I read that a UPenn grad is now on the FAU roster. Some may complain that this grad transfer for back up catcher took away a younger players opportunity.  The grad wasn't ready to hang up his cleats. Good for him!

Also to note, which we discussed, there are many players that transfered up for draft reasons without penalty. Good for them!

I agree and don't understand why, with new transfer rules and new opportunities   anyone would remain in a situation that is unbearable.

JMO

TPM;

Is there is a relationship with the timing of the "Contraction" of the Minor Leagues teams and the NCAA Portal Baseball activity. "Coincidence" ?

Bob

@Consultant posted:

TPM;

Is there is a relationship with the timing of the "Contraction" of the Minor Leagues teams and the NCAA Portal Baseball activity. "Coincidence" ?

Bob

Bob,

Walter Beede is in the process of writing or has written a book about the shift in College baseball.

How changes to the MLB Draft and the reduction of minor league teams has affected the landscape of youth baseball and college recruiting.

There are a couple of major events that are creating the perfect storm.

Some of the data points that we've documented point to the shift.

Collegebaseballinsights;

Yes, there are changes for the young 15-18 year old player to consider.

1. Mental and physical preparation - How, where and when?

2. Showcase Teams  - Yes or NO?

3. Hitting and pitching Coaches?

It would be interesting for a East Coast team to "barnstorm" to the West Coast playing 17-19 year old teams. That would be preparation and "fun". Games played on College Campus.

Bob

@Consultant posted:

TPM;

Is there is a relationship with the timing of the "Contraction" of the Minor Leagues teams and the NCAA Portal Baseball activity. "Coincidence" ?

Bob

Could be!

@Consultant posted:

TPM;

Is there is a relationship with the timing of the "Contraction" of the Minor Leagues teams and the NCAA Portal Baseball activity. "Coincidence" ?

Bob

I would also throw in the reduction of the draft from 40 rounds to the one year of 5 rounds, and now at 20 rounds. Got to imagine that there a couple of hundreds of players still in college baseball that normally would not be there if the draft was still at 40 rounds.

Yes.   A scout told son this exact thing this year.  He said in the old system you would be drafted no doubt but I recommend staying in college one more year since you can play 2 more years.  You will still have some leverage next year.

Another example of MLB applying "metrics" to all decisions. The % of players drafted after the 20th Round is the deciding factor for the reduction.

My suggestion is to add Freshman teams to College programs and to have College Division 1 & 2 use "wood" bats.

Bob

@Consultant posted:

Another example of MLB applying "metrics" to all decisions. The % of players drafted after the 20th Round is the deciding factor for the reduction.

My suggestion is to add Freshman teams to College programs and to have College Division 1 & 2 use "wood" bats.

Bob

Give or take a couple.  here were the total number of players on varsity roster by division.

Some schools didn't publish their rosters

This does not include JV or Developmental teams.

Thus the addition of a freshman team, would require $$$ and due to EADA, the same would have to be done for softball.

I agree with wood bats, but then it would take the football score element out of the game.

It would be interesting to see if college fans want to hear wood vs metal.

It would definitely help the pitchers

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

Give or take a couple.  here were the total number of players on varsity roster by division.

Some schools didn't publish their rosters

This does not include JV or Developmental teams.

Thus the addition of a freshman team, would require $$$ and due to EADA, the same would have to be done for softball.

I agree with wood bats, but then it would take the football score element out of the game.

It would be interesting to see if college fans want to hear wood vs metal.

It would definitely help the pitchers

I know my son prefers wood over metal (he's a hitter). He felt that it allowed him to stand out over his peers. It really demonstrated his skill in squaring up and his hitting power over other position players who were being "assisted" by a metal bat. It was quite noticeable when his team played in a wood tournament this summer as many of his teammates ended up grounding out, line out, fly out, etc. when they usually get a base hit or double with metal.