Son is a 2011, 16 year old, just staring the college search. He's a RHP, 6'3" 190 with 76 mph fastball. Pitches in competitive MIAA and was wondering how this all projects to the D3 level. Thanks in advance.
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I would think by senior year he would be throwing somewhere in the 80's making him a D3 prospect. Your son has good size. Has he ever done anything to strengthen his arm?
He attended a camp this past summer at Fordham and received good instruction for arm strengthening including long toss and weighted balls. Works out regularly with HS facility and long tosses twice per week. Any suggestions beyond what he's doing?
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There will be home for your son somewhere; believe it. I have seen several skinny freshman that were not stand out prospects turn into big time pitchers.
Now is the time to first spend the time in the classroom; grades and test scores will take you farther than a fastball. From a basebll prospective; he needs to compete. This may mean locally, it may mean more; you will decide as a family.
I just got back from my son's "fall world series," at his D3 in Texas. There was one kid there that I remember from his freshman year; he threw maybe 80; three years of hard work and competition and he sits at 87-89 with great movement. There were three pro scouts each was taking dilligent notes as he pitched. I highly doubt that he and his parents thought that he would be a legitimate pro prospect when he arrived on campus 3-years ago.
Now is the time to start introducing your son to what it means to be a college student. Explore the world of colleges; this does not mean taking him to your local school. Hit the road; go to admissions offices, take campus tours, visit baseball coaches, ask questions.
It is time to open your mind to the posibilities that do exist for your son.
Now is the time to first spend the time in the classroom; grades and test scores will take you farther than a fastball. From a basebll prospective; he needs to compete. This may mean locally, it may mean more; you will decide as a family.
I just got back from my son's "fall world series," at his D3 in Texas. There was one kid there that I remember from his freshman year; he threw maybe 80; three years of hard work and competition and he sits at 87-89 with great movement. There were three pro scouts each was taking dilligent notes as he pitched. I highly doubt that he and his parents thought that he would be a legitimate pro prospect when he arrived on campus 3-years ago.
Now is the time to start introducing your son to what it means to be a college student. Explore the world of colleges; this does not mean taking him to your local school. Hit the road; go to admissions offices, take campus tours, visit baseball coaches, ask questions.
It is time to open your mind to the posibilities that do exist for your son.
ILLVB....Great advice.
We've started to visit colleges in the mid atlantic ranging from D1 to D3 just to get a perspective of size and fit. Based on academic performance, we're looking at strong academic institutions which often steers us to D3.
One concern which I've read in many threads is the "no commitment" to roster spot so we are definitely searching for a school he'd attend regardless of baseball.
Thanks for sharing the story of your son's team and I wish him the best in the future.
We've started to visit colleges in the mid atlantic ranging from D1 to D3 just to get a perspective of size and fit. Based on academic performance, we're looking at strong academic institutions which often steers us to D3.
One concern which I've read in many threads is the "no commitment" to roster spot so we are definitely searching for a school he'd attend regardless of baseball.
Thanks for sharing the story of your son's team and I wish him the best in the future.
I do not have an answer to your questions, but do have a couple of DIII observations.
Every school (at all levels) is always on the lookout for pitchers.
DIII is a balancing act between talent & academics & admissions. Solid academics boost weaker talent and vice versa, coupled with financial need or not.
Junior year, probably want to attend a showcase(s) and put together a short video, and hit the road to schools you are interested in.
Good luck
Every school (at all levels) is always on the lookout for pitchers.
DIII is a balancing act between talent & academics & admissions. Solid academics boost weaker talent and vice versa, coupled with financial need or not.
Junior year, probably want to attend a showcase(s) and put together a short video, and hit the road to schools you are interested in.
Good luck
Any suggestions for Showcases to attend geared towards mid major D1 or D3?
you might to post this question in the Showcase category, or look through it.
possible showcases might be Headfirst baseball and TPX, along with Perfect Game (per this site)
possible showcases might be Headfirst baseball and TPX, along with Perfect Game (per this site)
We are a year ahead of you in the same area of the country. If you want to chat, PM me. My son is being looked at by several DIII and some DII schools in surrounding states. I can share what we have learned through the process. And some DIII coaches have committed a roster spot to my son.
I am a sophomore at a D3 school that has been nationally ranked in the past and is consistently ranked regionally. Here is our pitching staff:
Junior RHP, 6'5" 225 lbs. 93-96 mph
Senior RHP, 6'0" 205 lbs. 87-90 mph
Junior RHP, 5'11" 175 lbs. 85-89 mph
Soph RHP, 6'0" 185 lbs. 84-88 mph
^ This should be our consistent starting rotation. Here's what rounds out our bullpen and midweek starters (no particular order):
Soph RHP, 6'0" 185 lbs. 82-85 mph
Soph RHP, 6'3" 200 lbs. 86-89 mph
Junior LHP, 5'10" 190 lbs. 82-85 mph
Soph LHP, 6'3" 205 lbs. 81-84 mph
Soph LHP, 6'0" 185 lbs. 81-84 mph
Soph LHP, 5'11" 165 lbs. 84-87 mph
Hope this helps you get a gauge. These numbers are accurate according to the pitch charts we filled out throughout the fall season. We also have a junior LHP who was in the upper 80's last spring, but he is out with Tommy John Surgery.
^ This should be our consistent starting rotation. Here's what rounds out our bullpen and midweek starters (no particular order):
Hope this helps you get a gauge. These numbers are accurate according to the pitch charts we filled out throughout the fall season. We also have a junior LHP who was in the upper 80's last spring, but he is out with Tommy John Surgery.
quote:# Junior RHP, 6'5" 225 lbs. 93-96 mph
# Senior RHP, 6'0" 205 lbs. 87-90 mph
# Junior RHP, 5'11" 175 lbs. 85-89 mph
# Soph RHP, 6'0" 185 lbs. 84-88 mph
JH, those are very unusual, and very, very good, for DIII, in our experience, provided they throw strikes with those velocities listed and have other pitches.
With the way you describe your program rankings, they have to know how to pitch.
Our son's roommate was a 1st team DIII All-American a few years back and he was 82-85, right hander, and about 6'3".
85-89 isn't too unusual at the DIII level. 93-96 is quite rare.
I tend to think most starting staffs are in the 82-86mph range even for the better programs nationally, with the 82 guy usually being a lefty.
infielddad- We do have several guys that throw very well, and generally have harder throwers than some of our opponents. Our team ERA led the conference last year, and we had more than a strikeout an inning as a staff. It is very common to see a quality mid-80's guy who knows how to pitch at our level. We saw three other guys that threw 90+ consistently last year, and hit all three pretty well.
Our 93-96 guy came in as a catcher and grew 3 inches and was converted to the mound as a freshman. Last year, he had an average of nearly 15 K's per 9 innings, which we were told was second nationally in all Divisions to Stephen Strasburg.
While the velocities listed are our averages, they are not necessities for success, as infielddad said. Some of the best pitchers we faced last year were low-80's lefties and mid-80's righties who knew how to pitch.
Our 93-96 guy came in as a catcher and grew 3 inches and was converted to the mound as a freshman. Last year, he had an average of nearly 15 K's per 9 innings, which we were told was second nationally in all Divisions to Stephen Strasburg.
While the velocities listed are our averages, they are not necessities for success, as infielddad said. Some of the best pitchers we faced last year were low-80's lefties and mid-80's righties who knew how to pitch.
I don't know if this will come out legible, but I copied and pasted last year's pitching statistics below. I substituted the player's names with their grade (as of last year), throwing arm and velocities (as of this year).
Player era w-l app-gs cg sho sv ip h r er bb so 2b 3b hr ab b/avg wp hbp bk sfa sha
Frosh LHP 81-84 1.77 0-1 13-0 0 0/1 0 20.1 15 9 4 11 12 1 2 0 73 .205 2 3 0 1 1
Senior RHP 86-88 1.91 6-1 10-10 0 0/2 0 66.0 55 22 14 19 48 11 0 2 246 .224 0 6 0 0 3
Frosh LHP 81-84 2.23 2-1 13-1 0 0/1 3 32.1 30 9 8 10 34 7 1 0 123 .244 0 2 2 1 2
Soph LHP 85-89 2.25 1-1 2-2 0 0/0 0 8.0 8 6 2 5 12 0 0 0 34 .235 0 0 0 0 0
Soph RHP 93-96 2.36 6-1 11-7 2 2/1 0 53.1 30 16 14 27 88 0 2 1 183 .164 7 7 0 0 4
Frosh RHP 84-88 3.40 6-1 9-8 0 0/1 0 39.2 42 25 15 25 30 7 1 2 154 .273 7 1 0 0 4
Junior RHP 87-90 3.75 4-3 9-9 1 0/0 0 50.1 55 27 21 21 52 8 4 2 202 .272 7 3 0 2 2
Frosh RHP 82-85 4.35 1-1 9-2 0 0/0 0 20.2 22 10 10 13 12 4 1 0 77 .286 0 4 0 0 2
Frosh RHP 86-89 5.40 0-0 4-0 0 0/0 0 5.0 7 5 3 2 5 2 0 0 22 .318 0 1 0 0 0
Soph LHP 82-85 5.54 0-1 11-0 0 0/1 4 13.0 13 10 8 12 11 0 2 0 52 .250 2 0 0 0 0
Frosh LHP 84-87 7.40 1-1 18-0 0 0/2 1 24.1 36 22 20 10 39 5 2 1 106 .340 5 3 0 1 0
Totals 3.22 27-12 39-39 3 6/4 8 333.0 313 161 119 155 343 45 15 8 1272 .246 30 30 2 5 18
Opponents 6.44 12-27 39-39 6 1/0 5 323.0 412 323 231 174 223 66 17 22 1334 .309 28 54 1 20 30
Player era w-l app-gs cg sho sv ip h r er bb so 2b 3b hr ab b/avg wp hbp bk sfa sha
Frosh LHP 81-84 1.77 0-1 13-0 0 0/1 0 20.1 15 9 4 11 12 1 2 0 73 .205 2 3 0 1 1
Senior RHP 86-88 1.91 6-1 10-10 0 0/2 0 66.0 55 22 14 19 48 11 0 2 246 .224 0 6 0 0 3
Frosh LHP 81-84 2.23 2-1 13-1 0 0/1 3 32.1 30 9 8 10 34 7 1 0 123 .244 0 2 2 1 2
Soph LHP 85-89 2.25 1-1 2-2 0 0/0 0 8.0 8 6 2 5 12 0 0 0 34 .235 0 0 0 0 0
Soph RHP 93-96 2.36 6-1 11-7 2 2/1 0 53.1 30 16 14 27 88 0 2 1 183 .164 7 7 0 0 4
Frosh RHP 84-88 3.40 6-1 9-8 0 0/1 0 39.2 42 25 15 25 30 7 1 2 154 .273 7 1 0 0 4
Junior RHP 87-90 3.75 4-3 9-9 1 0/0 0 50.1 55 27 21 21 52 8 4 2 202 .272 7 3 0 2 2
Frosh RHP 82-85 4.35 1-1 9-2 0 0/0 0 20.2 22 10 10 13 12 4 1 0 77 .286 0 4 0 0 2
Frosh RHP 86-89 5.40 0-0 4-0 0 0/0 0 5.0 7 5 3 2 5 2 0 0 22 .318 0 1 0 0 0
Soph LHP 82-85 5.54 0-1 11-0 0 0/1 4 13.0 13 10 8 12 11 0 2 0 52 .250 2 0 0 0 0
Frosh LHP 84-87 7.40 1-1 18-0 0 0/2 1 24.1 36 22 20 10 39 5 2 1 106 .340 5 3 0 1 0
Totals 3.22 27-12 39-39 3 6/4 8 333.0 313 161 119 155 343 45 15 8 1272 .246 30 30 2 5 18
Opponents 6.44 12-27 39-39 6 1/0 5 323.0 412 323 231 174 223 66 17 22 1334 .309 28 54 1 20 30
Usually the hardest throwing D3 pitchers develop a lot while in college. My son's pitching coach attended a D3. He threw 83 his senior year of high school and 94 his senior year of college. He signed. It wasn't even a goal heading into college.
Yep. I still have 20/20 vision.quote:Originally posted by J H:
I don't know if this will come out legible, but I copied and pasted last year's pitching statistics below. I substituted the player's names with their grade (as of last year), throwing arm and velocities (as of this year).
Player era w-l app-gs cg sho sv ip h r er bb so 2b 3b hr ab b/avg wp hbp bk sfa sha
Frosh LHP 81-84 1.77 0-1 13-0 0 0/1 0 20.1 15 9 4 11 12 1 2 0 73 .205 2 3 0 1 1
Senior RHP 86-88 1.91 6-1 10-10 0 0/2 0 66.0 55 22 14 19 48 11 0 2 246 .224 0 6 0 0 3
Frosh LHP 81-84 2.23 2-1 13-1 0 0/1 3 32.1 30 9 8 10 34 7 1 0 123 .244 0 2 2 1 2
Soph LHP 85-89 2.25 1-1 2-2 0 0/0 0 8.0 8 6 2 5 12 0 0 0 34 .235 0 0 0 0 0
Soph RHP 93-96 2.36 6-1 11-7 2 2/1 0 53.1 30 16 14 27 88 0 2 1 183 .164 7 7 0 0 4
Frosh RHP 84-88 3.40 6-1 9-8 0 0/1 0 39.2 42 25 15 25 30 7 1 2 154 .273 7 1 0 0 4
Junior RHP 87-90 3.75 4-3 9-9 1 0/0 0 50.1 55 27 21 21 52 8 4 2 202 .272 7 3 0 2 2
Frosh RHP 82-85 4.35 1-1 9-2 0 0/0 0 20.2 22 10 10 13 12 4 1 0 77 .286 0 4 0 0 2
Frosh RHP 86-89 5.40 0-0 4-0 0 0/0 0 5.0 7 5 3 2 5 2 0 0 22 .318 0 1 0 0 0
Soph LHP 82-85 5.54 0-1 11-0 0 0/1 4 13.0 13 10 8 12 11 0 2 0 52 .250 2 0 0 0 0
Frosh LHP 84-87 7.40 1-1 18-0 0 0/2 1 24.1 36 22 20 10 39 5 2 1 106 .340 5 3 0 1 0
Totals 3.22 27-12 39-39 3 6/4 8 333.0 313 161 119 155 343 45 15 8 1272 .246 30 30 2 5 18
Opponents 6.44 12-27 39-39 6 1/0 5 323.0 412 323 231 174 223 66 17 22 1334 .309 28 54 1 20 30
quote:Yep. I still have 20/20 vision.
J H,
Thanks for the input.
If my Son's throwing 76 entering his Junior HS year, what's a reasonable expectation on increase in velocity by freshman year of college?
He's 6'3" 190 so I'd think he'll fill out in next 2 years.
Thanks for the input.
If my Son's throwing 76 entering his Junior HS year, what's a reasonable expectation on increase in velocity by freshman year of college?
He's 6'3" 190 so I'd think he'll fill out in next 2 years.
MD-
You have a PM.
You have a PM.
The thing people can't see on a chat board is if your son has physically peaked, or what is seen as possible physical upside. Some kids hit a certain velocity and hit a wall on improvement. The best thing to do is find a quality training program.quote:Originally posted by MDdon2011:
J H,
Thanks for the input.
If my Son's throwing 76 entering his Junior HS year, what's a reasonable expectation on increase in velocity by freshman year of college?
He's 6'3" 190 so I'd think he'll fill out in next 2 years.
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:quote:# Junior RHP, 6'5" 225 lbs. 93-96 mph
# Senior RHP, 6'0" 205 lbs. 87-90 mph
# Junior RHP, 5'11" 175 lbs. 85-89 mph
# Soph RHP, 6'0" 185 lbs. 84-88 mph
JH, those are very unusual, and very, very good, for DIII, in our experience, provided they throw strikes with those velocities listed and have other pitches.
With the way you describe your program rankings, they have to know how to pitch.
Our son's roommate was a 1st team DIII All-American a few years back and he was 82-85, right hander, and about 6'3".
85-89 isn't too unusual at the DIII level. 93-96 is quite rare.
I tend to think most starting staffs are in the 82-86mph range even for the better programs nationally, with the 82 guy usually being a lefty.
I played in a D3 conference that has 3 active big league pitchers, most of the #1 and #2 starters were upper 80's with good secondary pitches.
Good point RJM. I guess time will tell; everyone's different.
My Son's anxious to get started with the training you suggested.
My Son's anxious to get started with the training you suggested.
It has been my experience that the Top Division III programs ( ie Trinity, Johns Hopkins, Cortland State)in our region have at least one power pitcher and a load of mid to upper 80's arms
We played Cortland last year. They had a lefty that sat 88-92 with a filthy slider that threw against us. Was a 14th rounder by the Twins in '09. I would guess that every single pitcher they threw at us (in a doubleheader, I believe 3 in each game) threw at least mid-80's, and most probably sat in the upper-80's, righty or lefty.
I just checked that young man's MLB draft video.
Not a lot of video in the clip, but in May of 2009, he had 5 pitches at 86, one at 87 and one at 90mph.
Probably the best DIII pitchers in the last 5 years were Ryan Zimmerman and Scott Hyde, drafted in the 2nd and 7th rounds respectively.(my apology if I missed someone)
From what I was able to read, Zimmerman was 89-92, touching 94mph.
From what I saw and learned from the scouts following Scott Hyde at the Regional, he was 87-90, with a pretty good upside.
Last Spring, Millsaps College was ranked #2/#1 for several weeks. They didn't have anyone over 86-87.
If DIII baseball had so many guys upper 80's/lower 90's, my view is there would be more pitchers drafted.
Every year, there are 19-20 total DIII players picked, of which a bit more than 1/2 are pitchers.
Most on this site know I am a huge DIII fan.
As I posted before, 86-89 is a velocity where you can count some numbers at the DIII level.
Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't believe there are more than 10, maybe 15 of the top programs that have the quantity of pitchers, at higher velocities, who can consistently get guys out, using that velocity.
Not a lot of video in the clip, but in May of 2009, he had 5 pitches at 86, one at 87 and one at 90mph.
Probably the best DIII pitchers in the last 5 years were Ryan Zimmerman and Scott Hyde, drafted in the 2nd and 7th rounds respectively.(my apology if I missed someone)
From what I was able to read, Zimmerman was 89-92, touching 94mph.
From what I saw and learned from the scouts following Scott Hyde at the Regional, he was 87-90, with a pretty good upside.
Last Spring, Millsaps College was ranked #2/#1 for several weeks. They didn't have anyone over 86-87.
If DIII baseball had so many guys upper 80's/lower 90's, my view is there would be more pitchers drafted.
Every year, there are 19-20 total DIII players picked, of which a bit more than 1/2 are pitchers.
Most on this site know I am a huge DIII fan.
As I posted before, 86-89 is a velocity where you can count some numbers at the DIII level.
Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't believe there are more than 10, maybe 15 of the top programs that have the quantity of pitchers, at higher velocities, who can consistently get guys out, using that velocity.
http://www.baseballamerica.com...s/cards/?pl_id=89519
infielddad- the velocities in the video are believable. I'd say he was more consistently in the upper-80's against us. I do know that he hit 92 on several pitches though, and his slider was at 84. In the game against us, he went 5 innings and struck out 11, although we had 5 hits and he walked 5.
The velocities range to the max velocities. For example, the kid at my school who is 93-96 sits at 93 and has reached the mid-90's on a few occasions. My apologies that I didn't make that clear and might have skewed the interpretation. So in that case, I'd say that your velocities are very accurate infielddad.
Once again to everyone else, these two individual pitchers that we are discussing are rare and do not come by very often at any school in the country. These velocities are certainly at the very top level of what you will see at the Division III level, without a doubt.
infielddad- the velocities in the video are believable. I'd say he was more consistently in the upper-80's against us. I do know that he hit 92 on several pitches though, and his slider was at 84. In the game against us, he went 5 innings and struck out 11, although we had 5 hits and he walked 5.
The velocities range to the max velocities. For example, the kid at my school who is 93-96 sits at 93 and has reached the mid-90's on a few occasions. My apologies that I didn't make that clear and might have skewed the interpretation. So in that case, I'd say that your velocities are very accurate infielddad.
Once again to everyone else, these two individual pitchers that we are discussing are rare and do not come by very often at any school in the country. These velocities are certainly at the very top level of what you will see at the Division III level, without a doubt.
JH,
here is another 2009 DIII lefty drafted in the 28th round...was drafted in 2008 also but did not sign.
Evan is 86-89. One of the few college pitchers I saw who pounded the inside part of the plate, against metal.
I figured he would do pretty well in the Milb transition because he knew how to pitch "in."
I underestimated. Here are his numbers in the Ny/Penn league.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball...b&t=p_pbp&pid=542972
here is another 2009 DIII lefty drafted in the 28th round...was drafted in 2008 also but did not sign.
Evan is 86-89. One of the few college pitchers I saw who pounded the inside part of the plate, against metal.
I figured he would do pretty well in the Milb transition because he knew how to pitch "in."
I underestimated. Here are his numbers in the Ny/Penn league.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball...b&t=p_pbp&pid=542972
Similarly, we had a kid drafted out of my school in '06. LHP, 86-89. 13th rounder. I've never seen him pitch, being several years ahead of me, but in the summer of '06 he went 10-1 with a 1.06 ERA in the NY-Penn League. However, in '09 he split time between High-A and AA in his organization as a 25 year old (converted) middle reliever.
Evan Bronson was a name I'd heard but never followed. I'll make sure to follow him through next year though because those numbers are outstanding.
Evan Bronson was a name I'd heard but never followed. I'll make sure to follow him through next year though because those numbers are outstanding.
Jason Hirsh was a D3 pitcher.
and Joe Nathan was a D3 shortstop. Pitched only once or twice at Stony Brook University and back then they were a D3 baseball program!
Tim Kiely of Trinity (CT) went from pitching for Trinity in the D3 World Series last year to AA ball this year. The kid is strike throwing machine (hits 90). His senior year he walked two in about one hundred innings. Chez Angeloni, the MVP of that World Series pitching for Hopkins maxes at 94. He signed with the Red Sox.
MDon2011,
I know this is your thread and I apologize if I helped get it off your question.
By way of background, our son played 4 years at a very good DIII and then went back and coached following the end of his Milb career.
There are some numbers mentioned in this thread that we can all argue about. There are a few pitchers at the DIII level, as JH said, who have velocity normally seen at the DI level. they are the exception, not the rule.
I remain firm that a good pitcher in the 82-87 mph velocity will find plenty of spots at the DIII level.
As I mentioned before, our son's roommate was a first team DIII All American. He was 83-85 and was a RHP. Your son has a way to go. But, it sounds like he has some size and tools to get where he wants, with a lot of hard work along the way.
I know this is your thread and I apologize if I helped get it off your question.
By way of background, our son played 4 years at a very good DIII and then went back and coached following the end of his Milb career.
There are some numbers mentioned in this thread that we can all argue about. There are a few pitchers at the DIII level, as JH said, who have velocity normally seen at the DI level. they are the exception, not the rule.
I remain firm that a good pitcher in the 82-87 mph velocity will find plenty of spots at the DIII level.
As I mentioned before, our son's roommate was a first team DIII All American. He was 83-85 and was a RHP. Your son has a way to go. But, it sounds like he has some size and tools to get where he wants, with a lot of hard work along the way.
infielddad,
No problem. It's all D3 related and good info.
What I take from all the responses, which are greatly appreciated, is there's a place to play if your willing to put in the hard work and make sacrifices. We can talk and suggest until we're blue in the face but without the player making a serious committment to improve it remains just idle chatter. As my Dad likes to say "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
No problem. It's all D3 related and good info.
What I take from all the responses, which are greatly appreciated, is there's a place to play if your willing to put in the hard work and make sacrifices. We can talk and suggest until we're blue in the face but without the player making a serious committment to improve it remains just idle chatter. As my Dad likes to say "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
My dad said "The road to glory, runs through the dump."
quote:We can talk and suggest until we're blue in the face but without the player making a serious committment to improve it remains just idle chatter.
What a great view of what it takes!
But, there is more than just the commitment to get better, physically.
Taking the playing and physical part, it is important to have a good strength and flexibility program focused on pitching. Running to develop his legs is critical. Core work is perhaps even more critical. It is also important to do long toss and to improve his mechanics.
Equally important is the mental part. The transition to college and college baseball is perhaps more difficult mentally than physically. They are away from home, the level of competition is higher than at any time in their experience, they need to balance classes, social development, living independently, lifting, grades and a lot of things at the DIII level where additional support isn't provided.
With that said, many do it and succeed, some try it and decide DIII college baseball isn't for them.
Unless a player truly loves the game of baseball and has the passion to compete, there are few other reasons to play at the DIII level.
Good luck to your son. It sounds like there is a mindset that can work. When ours set foot on campus at Trinity U, there was only one person who truly believed in his talent level. That was the coach who recruited him.
That coach got him to believe. That belief, his determination, competitive spirit, and drive, plus great coaching and great teammates ended him up in places many people never felt he could get.
It can happen.
I know it has been discussed before, but can someone with an understanding of D-3 Baseball give me a heads up on recruiting. I understand that no Athletic scholarships exist, my guy (2010) has been told that he qualifies for about 10K in money based on his grades. That has been the initial conversation, not talk of money from any other source just yet. Are there other sources for athletics? The University has asked my son to come for a visit prior to Christmas, can he throw for them? Are they able to work him out?
Thank you for your help! It is greatly appreciated!
Thank you for your help! It is greatly appreciated!
Depending on the clout the baseball coach has and his desire to have your son in his program, he may be able to convince the right people more academic money be provided. I've seen it happen before. I've also seen more academic money appear when a starting position is earned.quote:Are there other sources for athletics?
FF- There is no money available in connection to athletics whatsoever. The "other monies available" might be through need-based financials, merit-based scholarships or funds through the school. The only conceivable money that I could see being somewhat connected to athletics would be a scholarship given to the school by an alum, for example, who intends for it to be given to a specific person (Ie: A former baseball player granting an annual scholarship for a baseball player). I don't know if the NCAA has a ban on this, but this to me is the only way I can see something like that happening.
I also don't believe your guy would be permitted to throw for the coaches. Last year when our season ended, our captains organized a game amongst ourselves for a little fun (pitchers couldn't pitch and position players couldn't play their positions. Interesting to have our outfielders pitching to our starting rotation). We had a kid who was transferring in from a Division I school and was around visiting for the weekend, staying with a friend of his who was on the team. Coach got wind of the event taking place and said that he didn't have a problem with it happening (season had ended, after all), but the kid who was transferring in would not be permitted to play because he could not participate in any events on campus with the team.
I'm sure infielddad could provide some more insight about the actual NCAA rulings, but this is just my guess based on past personal experience. Hope this helps.
I also don't believe your guy would be permitted to throw for the coaches. Last year when our season ended, our captains organized a game amongst ourselves for a little fun (pitchers couldn't pitch and position players couldn't play their positions. Interesting to have our outfielders pitching to our starting rotation). We had a kid who was transferring in from a Division I school and was around visiting for the weekend, staying with a friend of his who was on the team. Coach got wind of the event taking place and said that he didn't have a problem with it happening (season had ended, after all), but the kid who was transferring in would not be permitted to play because he could not participate in any events on campus with the team.
I'm sure infielddad could provide some more insight about the actual NCAA rulings, but this is just my guess based on past personal experience. Hope this helps.
floridafan,
J H is providing solid information.
Your son would not be permitted to throw or work out for coaches at the DIII level.
That is only permitted at the DII level.
As J H points out, many scholarships are merit based. Some schools also provide need based aid.
Our son's roommate had a number of sources of financial aid. They included an academic scholarship, grants, loans and work study.
While I guess it would be possible for someone to earn a starting position and have an increase in a scholarship, as RJM says he has seen, that would be a direct violation of DIII rules. DIII athletes cannot receive that type of recognition. I am not saying it might not be done, or be done with a disguise, but it is a clear and direct violation of DIII rules.
I can tell your our son and his roommate both received academic scholarships. The amount was tied to nothing other than classroom performance and results. Those two were both DIII All Americans, both led their team to their first conference baseball championships and Regional appearances. When scholarship renewal information arrived, the sole criterion was classroom based.
J H is providing solid information.
Your son would not be permitted to throw or work out for coaches at the DIII level.
That is only permitted at the DII level.
As J H points out, many scholarships are merit based. Some schools also provide need based aid.
Our son's roommate had a number of sources of financial aid. They included an academic scholarship, grants, loans and work study.
While I guess it would be possible for someone to earn a starting position and have an increase in a scholarship, as RJM says he has seen, that would be a direct violation of DIII rules. DIII athletes cannot receive that type of recognition. I am not saying it might not be done, or be done with a disguise, but it is a clear and direct violation of DIII rules.
I can tell your our son and his roommate both received academic scholarships. The amount was tied to nothing other than classroom performance and results. Those two were both DIII All Americans, both led their team to their first conference baseball championships and Regional appearances. When scholarship renewal information arrived, the sole criterion was classroom based.
Thank you guys very much!