Can someone tell the definition of a save in HS ball?
If a reliever comes in with a 5 - 0 lead, pitches three innings and his team wins, is that a save or a no decision? Thanks.
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You don't say whether it was the LAST three innings of the game. To get a save, you have to be in there for the final out.
You also have to have pitched effectively, so if it ended up 14-13 I don't know that I'd give a save.
But if he basically held the lead for the last 3 innings, he gets a save in that situation.
You also have to have pitched effectively, so if it ended up 14-13 I don't know that I'd give a save.
But if he basically held the lead for the last 3 innings, he gets a save in that situation.
Yes - it was the final 3 innings and we won by 11 runs.
I think we may to know how many innings the game lasted.
Not sure if Fed rules are the same as OBR on this ... but OBR says that in a game of 6 innings or more, the starter must pitch at least 5 innings to get the win. So maybe the reliever here gets the win and not a save.
Midlo, again in looking at OBR (which may not apply here), the part you mention about "have to have pitched effectively" is not mandatory for qualify for a save. It's part of a group of 3 conditions, only 1 of which must be satisfied.
There is a provision that if a starter can't get the win due to not enough innings pitched and his team then remains in the lead throughout, the win goes to the relief pitcher whom the scorekeeper deems to have been the most effective pitcher.
So your 14-13 example would create an interesting dilemma for the scorekeeper if the starter just went an inning or two and there was only one relief pitcher.
I'm interested to hear from others who are more knowledgeable than I am of Fed rules on the issue of the save.
Not sure if Fed rules are the same as OBR on this ... but OBR says that in a game of 6 innings or more, the starter must pitch at least 5 innings to get the win. So maybe the reliever here gets the win and not a save.
Midlo, again in looking at OBR (which may not apply here), the part you mention about "have to have pitched effectively" is not mandatory for qualify for a save. It's part of a group of 3 conditions, only 1 of which must be satisfied.
There is a provision that if a starter can't get the win due to not enough innings pitched and his team then remains in the lead throughout, the win goes to the relief pitcher whom the scorekeeper deems to have been the most effective pitcher.
So your 14-13 example would create an interesting dilemma for the scorekeeper if the starter just went an inning or two and there was only one relief pitcher.
I'm interested to hear from others who are more knowledgeable than I am of Fed rules on the issue of the save.
Since this is a high school game, you use NFHS, not OBR.
NFHS Rule 9-7 spells this all out.
True, you cannot both win the game and get a save. I guess I assumed from his question that this was not the issue.
You must go 4 as a starter to get the W in high school ball. If the starter didn't qualify and this was a 7 inning game, then the pitcher between the starter and the closer would get the W. If it was less than a 7 inning game, then the closer in this situation might well get the W, therefore not qualifying for a save as well.
Generally you have to do one of the following:
Pitch effectively the last three innings;
Pitch the last inning with a lead of not more than 3 runs when you entered; or
Pitch less than one inning to close the game, with the tying run either on base, at bat or on deck.
Since the last two don't apply, that's why you have to judge whether he pitched effectively before you can award a save. Sounds like he did, though.
NFHS Rule 9-7 spells this all out.
True, you cannot both win the game and get a save. I guess I assumed from his question that this was not the issue.
You must go 4 as a starter to get the W in high school ball. If the starter didn't qualify and this was a 7 inning game, then the pitcher between the starter and the closer would get the W. If it was less than a 7 inning game, then the closer in this situation might well get the W, therefore not qualifying for a save as well.
Generally you have to do one of the following:
Pitch effectively the last three innings;
Pitch the last inning with a lead of not more than 3 runs when you entered; or
Pitch less than one inning to close the game, with the tying run either on base, at bat or on deck.
Since the last two don't apply, that's why you have to judge whether he pitched effectively before you can award a save. Sounds like he did, though.
Good info -- thanks.
I am curious, though, who many innings the game in this scenario actually went. In our area the HS's use the mercy rule of 10 after 5. Is that an NFHS rule or just something local?
I am curious, though, who many innings the game in this scenario actually went. In our area the HS's use the mercy rule of 10 after 5. Is that an NFHS rule or just something local?
Make that "how" many innings.
The game went 7 innings - reliever pitched 3 1/3 innings. Win went to the starter. Is the 4 inning rule a national high school rule, or will it vary from state to state? We had several preseason games where we pitched everyone one or two innings. The Pitcher that was on the mound when we took the lead was awarded the win. Sometimes that was after pitching only one inning.
Also, we were the visiting team and we scored a lot of runs in the last inning. The home team was unable to score. Final score was 19 - 8.
I've struggled with this at times too.
When the starting pitcher is pulled after first inning in a run away game and a new pitcher comes in every inning after that to give young pitchers an opportunity do you just give the win to the most effective pitcher when all have faced the same number of batters?
What happens when we are ahead 10-0 at the end of the first inning and final score is 12-0 in the middle of the 5th??? Which pitcher gets the win in that situation? Starter could have finished the game...but why throw a starter when you have kids on the bench who need to throw to get ready for next year??? What about when you start your #5 pitcher and the next inning throw #6 and then #7 and #8... and the water boy comes in and closes the game???
This obviously is not as cut and dry as the MLB (laughing out loud.)
When the starting pitcher is pulled after first inning in a run away game and a new pitcher comes in every inning after that to give young pitchers an opportunity do you just give the win to the most effective pitcher when all have faced the same number of batters?
What happens when we are ahead 10-0 at the end of the first inning and final score is 12-0 in the middle of the 5th??? Which pitcher gets the win in that situation? Starter could have finished the game...but why throw a starter when you have kids on the bench who need to throw to get ready for next year??? What about when you start your #5 pitcher and the next inning throw #6 and then #7 and #8... and the water boy comes in and closes the game???
This obviously is not as cut and dry as the MLB (laughing out loud.)