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CAdad - I also say "it is my understanding", "I think" and "I heard" but I am not apologizing for any of them.

I am not apologizing for apologizing either....

FWIW....
JH is not a judgemental old dog but a very smart and intelligent college pitcher.

PGStaff is owner and founder of PG. You probably got his attention, but not sure pointing out to him that the players in OK are better than in CA makes sense.

CPLZ was correct, you did throw out the first punch.

Your son's page got a lot of "hits" today I am sure, but probably not from the right people you intended to see. Especially your son playing on JV while the other player (younger ) played on varsity.

I would follow the advice and remove the comparisons, it'snot going to help the cause.
Just a suggestion.

Best of luck.

Cheapseats that was funny.

No way you can compare JV stats to varsity stats. Completely different. I think this is what everyone was talking about when they said stats are meaningless because of the context. Maybe this kid is really good and should be ranked higher than the #1 kid in the country, but it certainly won't be based on JV stats.

Cheapseats
The 79 AB's and 96 plate Appearances in the video are 100% E.M.H.S. Varsity/Senior Legion including 55 Senior 19U Legion Tournament AB's. You will see in the video the actual game by game results,20 current college pitchers, a dozen All-State pitchers and about 100 current college players including Marlins JT Realmuto. Only 6 of the games had ordinary high school pitchers At his scool they had 19 seniors and all seniors are on varsity.Wes had another 60 hits on video this year including JV and Junior college games like Seminole State & others

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Originally posted by standup:
Cheapseats
The 79 AB's and 96 plate Appearances in the video are 100% E.M.H.S. Varsity/Senior Legion including 55 Senior 19U Legion Tournament AB's. You will see in the video the actual game by game results,20 current college pitchers, a dozen All-State pitchers and about 100 current college players including Marlins JT Realmuto. Only 6 of the games had ordinary high school pitchers At his scool they had 19 seniors and all seniors are on varsity.Wes had another 60 hits on video this year including JV and Junior college games like Seminole State & others

Okay, thanks for clarifying....I am a CPA but my certificate is a little dusty, help me with the math...

79 AB in Video Analysis (-) Minus 55 Legion AB = 24 Varsity AB ----------> is that correct?

not sure if 24 Varsity AB is enough to do a comparison to the Varsity AB of the CA player you have mentioned.

your son still has a lot of time to be recruited - sounds like you know what kinds of events he needs to attend - with all you have presented I would guess that he will do well and be recruited, heck, you mentioned he has already been contacted by some D1's following the Jupiter WWBA event, sounds like he is doing well, plus he still has lots of time if he is currently a junior. Best of luck for a strong injury free junior/senior year.

Never compare your son to another player publicly. All of us have had people come up to us and say "He's not that good." "My son is just as good as he is." "My son has a higher batting average than he does." The list goes on and on. I have heard people make comments many times about other players. Especially the players with the reps as being very good players. You never make yourself look better by trying to make others look bad. And you simply just dont compare your kid to other kids. And you never do it on the HSBBW. Why? Because everyone of us have been there. Our kids have been those kids others have made those comments about. And we have been there done that , been there seen that.

Its real simple. Get out there and get in the mix and let those that do this stuff for a living tell you what they think. Get out there on the big stage and throw yourself in the fire and see how you stack up. Let his play do the talking. Let him do his talking with his bat and glove. Trying to make a case by comparing your son to another top tier player and using stats etc is lame at best.

Your using JV stats to compare your son to a kid that those that know, those that get paid to do this, those who's reputation is everything in what they do is pathetic at best. Even if your son was better and you knew it I would never say it. I would never put it out there on a message board. Get out on the field and prove what you can do and do it against the best competition you can find. And let OTHER people bang his drum. Never do it yourself. And never compare your son to another player like that. No matter how good that player is or is not. It just doesnt sit well with baseball folks. Of course that just my opinion. Your free to do what you want. But your not free to choose how others will react to it.

bballman & Coach May
I am amazed by some of the misperceptions here.
There are zero JV stats involved here. In fact 54 of the AB's are from Decker Omaha Legion Majors,Oklahoma Outlaws Legion Majors and Oklahoma Varsity Legion State Tournament. They include multiple hits games the NJ State Champion Brooklawn Post 72, USABF National World Series Champions Oklahoma Travelers, Legion National World Series Champion Outlaws and Oklahoma State Champions along with another dozen teams that are predominantly 19U graduated seniors including Enid Majors, Spivey Stars and Edmond Stars.zero JV stats involved here

I really should not have mentioned the JV stuff because that really has nothing to do with it. At least not as far as my post goes. You have more knowledge of what your son has done right there than I have ever had on my own kid. It seems you are really into stats. The people that will make the decisions on your son are not concerned with stats. They are looking at things the untrained eye does not see.

Swing plane , bat speed , bat path , the hands , the swing process , how his tools will play at the next level and much more. If he has what they like you will know it. And his stats , who he got his hits against etc will have nothing to do with it. You will know by the contacts they you get.

Your son may be an absolute stud. I hope he is. Good luck

Forgot.

Coach May coaches (not sure if he did this year) for the Dirtbags.

Listen to the advice and take it from people who know, people who are in the business people who know lots more than you, me or many here.

At any of these tournaments, weren't there any college coaches or scouts?

Anyone want to do a side by side comparison of the swings..........just kidding. I can't believe what I am reading here.

When reading this thread I can't help but think about the dad that had detailed stats from little league through college that he published while analyzing the University of Houston coach/program - (I think his name was Vic) - To make a long story short (literally it was a long story ) the stats drove him crazy because based on the stats he did not think his son received a fair shake. He got the last word but in the end I don't know how it worked out for him. Don't worry about the stats and how they compare to other players - enjoy the high school years, as you know with your daughter, it will be over before you know it.

Standup. My bad, I took the word of someone else that your son played JV. However, I have never heard of any of those other teams you mentioned. Maybe others have. My son has been involved in the travel/tournament scene for 5 years now - he is also a Junior and I have yet to come across any of those teams in any USSSA, Triple Crown, PG, WWBA or any other tournament. Not saying they are not good, just not familiar. I am also not sure about the Legion stuff. I understand Legion ball is big in some parts of the country, but not where I am from.

The problem comes down to comparing apples to oranges. I really think the only way to truly compare is to get him in a PG showcase and let him get graded. That will stack up his skill set against other kids of all talent levels across the country. Not just the Midwest or just the southeast or just California.

If your son has top level talent, he will make it to the next level. Just keep him in front of those who make the decisions. Individual Showcases, showcase tournaments (Jupiter was a good decision), college camps, anything that you would expect coaches and scouts to be at. He doesn't have to be better than the best kid in the country. Just good enough that a next level team will think he can contribute to their program.

I really do wish you the best of luck.

standup

I have had very heated conversations with posters here over opinions of what material the game should be played with and how those rules should be set and who should set them.

That being said, some of the posters I've disagreed with the most on those subjects have also been the ones who helped me the most with their knowledge of how this whole process works for our sons. The knowledge of these posters is invaluable and they will help you with the questions you have.

You will NOT find a better site to gather the info you are looking for and you will not find a site with more knowledgeable "been there, done that" posters. Tap into their experience. The people posting here are more than willing to help you crack the code.

Looks like your son is one heck of a ball player.

I finally got to see the vids, I must say he has good hand-eye coordination.

There are some truly wonderful people here.I'm sorry but some people needs to get a litlle closer to reality insteade of making up their own. Can u see how ignorant, wrong assuming & unobservant some people can be. Can they really not differentiate between 19U D1 pitchers and JV baseball? The 79 AB's & 98 PA's are all for one EMHS Varsity High School Team that played an awsome schedule including many of the country's top 19U Legion teams. The pitchers on the video include Legion World Series Champion Pitchers Clark Roberts Cowley County CC & Legion WS Strikeout Record Holder Kevin Hill, USABF World Series Champions Travis Carraway Murray State, Dayne Parker Wichita State, Daniel Edwards OSU, Kellen Smith Labette CC, Nick Fowble NEOSHO, JT Realmuto MLB and I could go on. These 19U Pitchers are far better or more developed than the average HS pitchers in any league. Is it that people dont even watch the video and comment on it or are they truly clueless when watching a D1 pitcher thinking its JV baseball?

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Originally posted by standup:
Here is a comparison of a Perfect Game Top Ranked 2012 Hitter and a non ranked player(my son)of the same year. Both Players high school teams played 28 Games and the non ranked player's team played against USABF,Legion Regional & National Champion teams including National Tournaments.The non ranked player has more hits, more walks and less strikeouts per AB in real world games.The top ranked hitter has more homeruns and is excellent.What are recommendations for non ranked players becoming ranked?
http://video.berecruited.com/videos/athletes/658295

Standup - we got off track because your first post (shown above) refers to the 28 game high school schedule for your son and the 28 game schedule for the PG top ranked player you are comparing him to. Then, through the course of discussion we learn that only a portion of the HS games your son played in are Varsity and most are from summer legion ball. We now understand you don't have JV stats in your analysis video but your initial post implied it was apples to apples 28 varsity games. Do you see why we are confused?

To be a valid analysis, you would need the summer stats for the player you are comparing your son to. However, like Coach May said earlier, comparisons to other players are not a good idea, there is no upside in making the comparison.

If your original goal in starting this thread was to have your son noticed by the leading organization for ranking 2012 hitters, I think you have accomplished that goal.

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Originally posted by standup:
Can u see how ignorant, wrong assuming & unobservant some people can be.

Ok you win, we are stupid and ignorant and unobservant.

BTW, pardon my ignorance, what was the original purpose of this topic?

Standup doesn't truly want any advise. He already has all of the answers he needs.

I do, however, thank him for presenting this topic. There is a lot of valuable information about what matters by those that responded.

I can see why you are confused.What confused you was that their high school website is only updated once a year. 100% of the continuous 28 games on the video is for the same single Varsity High shcool team from beginning to end that was 2010 State Legion runnerup and also won the State Wood Bat AABC Prairie League Championship. It is a comparison of all varsity games played by each player in 2010. It is representative of roughly 98 plate appearances for one player and 113 for the other. The only thing thats not apples to apples is the mix of higher level pitching against current college pitchers seen nationally compared with all high school age pitchers in regular league games.It's not terribly important but I sure do see how dramatically less hitting the nationally ranked senior player on my son's team did againt this pitching compared to Spring. By the way, I kind of felt like I was doing good when folks started accusing me of lurking and being called "dirtball"
Billy Martin would be proud.

okay, I think I will bow out of this discussion now because I am still confused....you are using the term "Varsity High School team" but you are talking about what the high school team did in the SUMMER LEAGUE season which is what I would call "summer ball". Actually, even within summer ball there is a big difference between league play and competitive tournament play.