DIII to D1

Well, this is what I found, so I'm still not sure.

Posted January 23, 2008 01:04 PM
Justbaseball recently posted the 2007-08 tranfer rules.
A D3 player can transfer to D1 and if he makes the requirements (academic and baseball) he can play right away.

IND's example is correct, you got ONE tranfer free pass no matter which division and you still do in other divisons other than D1

Posted by Bee-
unfortunatly it is not the loophole some are wishing for

you're getting tangled in semantics ... someone transferring INTO a DI school is considered a DI transfer by ncaa transfer guidelines

1) 4-4 NCAA transfers always did & still must meet requirements of the "certifying school" - the school (or division) they are transferring INTO ...

the difference now being certification rules have eliminated the "one time exemption for DI baseball"



kinda logical really, why would the ncaa destroy ncaa DII & DIII APR/Grad-rates trying to help DI APR/Grad-rates

thats,
there isn't any rule on sitting out. If the player is good enough, they can play immediately.
However, if you transfer DIII to DI, you cannot receive any athletic money for the first yeat at DI, which means you are a walk-on.
It can be done and done successfully. However, the player needs to be very, very, very good and be lucky enough to get into the right program that has a need.
Of course, this leaves out the transfer of credits and the impact on graduation. Sometimes, that is even tougher than the baseball side.

TAB,
It looks like you have gotten and are going to get conflicting opinion. So it would probably be a good idea to read the D1 manual, specifically 14.5. Almost everything you need to know about transfers is in 14.5. You may also find the NCAA transfer guide helpful.

Transfer Guide
D1 Manual

I believe that a player transferring from D3 to D1 in 2008 has to sit out a year, with rare exceptions.

Here is my understanding of the rules:
The NCAA rules on transferring to a D1 school are in 14.5 and are organized into 3 categories:
14.5.4 Transfer from a 2 year school to a D1 School
14.5.5 Transfer from a 4 year school to a D1 school
14.5.6 Two successive transfers: 4 to 2 to D1

The rules simply do not contemplate which division the previous 4 year school is. It doesn't matter if it is D1, D2 D3, or NAIA. These are all 4 year schools, and the same rules apply.

There are a number of exceptions to the sitting out rule, and you can read about them in 14.5.5, but they are pretty uncommon.

If a player is academically eligible at his previous institution, he may receive financial aid upon enrollment at his new school, even though he is sitting out a year (14.5.5.4). I suspect few colleges would actually do that.

thats,
I will readily admit I have not read the NCAA rules on the DIII to DI issue. My impressions came from reading summaries on BA and other publications.
I would suggest that if this is a serious option, you check with the NCAA compliance office at the DI school involved and get detailed information.
Even if my readings of many summaries of the rule might have viability, it won't matter if the DI school involved or the NCAA believes the rule is interpreted to apply. NCAA rules and regs are not a model of clarity. When they are subject to interpretation, the reliable source of the interpretation is the DI compliance office and the NCAA.
I agree with 3Fingered that your son can receive financial aid under the circumstances described.
Unless it was changed in the recent revisions, there is a very specific rule that prevents a transfer from DIII to DI from receiving any athletic aid or money for the first year of DI eligibility.

Forget trying to understand the NCAA jibberish--many time it is not up todate

Talk to the school you are interested in and get their interpretation--


thats a balk-- very cynical

TRhit, I will pass the info on.

Also, I have seen many occasions where you have chided someone for being lazy and not doing their own research. I figured I was inline for a tongue lashing.
Cynical or not, do I not speak the truth?

balk

Tongue lashing-- LOL

Do what you must--it is your world

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Originally posted by infielddad:
Unless it was changed in the recent revisions, there is a very specific rule that prevents a transfer from DIII to DI from receiving any athletic aid or money for the first year of DI eligibility.

That piqued my interest, and so I searched for it. The specific rule infielddad refers to was 14.5.5.2.10(e) and it last appeared in the D1 manual in 2004-2005. I have no idea why it was removed, or why the rule existed in the first place.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:

quote:

Originally posted by infielddad:
Unless it was changed in the recent revisions, there is a very specific rule that prevents a transfer from DIII to DI from receiving any athletic aid or money for the first year of DI eligibility.

That piqued my interest, and so I searched for it. The specific rule infielddad refers to was 14.5.5.2.10(e) and it last appeared in the D1 manual in 2004-2005. I have no idea why it was removed, or why the rule existed in the first place.

Thanks for your efforts.
Having had a son to whom that option was presented, the information we received is that the rule was intended to keep DI's from using DIII levels for recruiting. It was also to be an "impediment" to the DIII to transfer.

Son's potential scenario is this: In the fall he will be at a DIII school in what is called the 3/2 program for engineering. The student attends the DIII for 3 years then gains acceptance to another school with full fledged engineering degreed program, like Columbia University. That is the plan. If he plays ball at the DIII for three years and then transfers to Columbia University, a DI, will he be able to play for one year right away or does he loose his last year of eligibility.

Now, lets say he can play. What if he sits out his first year at the DIII, will he have two years left at Columbia to play.

It really doesn't matter what the answers are, he's going to the DIII, Birmingham Southern, and then Columbia, because of academics, but it would be nice if he could eventually help Columbia win another Ivy Championship like they did this year.

LL,
A general rule that applies to all D1 and D2 NCAA schools and all sports is that an athlete has 5 calendar years in which to play a maximum of 4 seasons of competition. The 5 years start upon entering a 4 year college collegiate institution full time . Of course there are exceptions, but they aren't common.

A baseball player transferring from a 4 year school to a D1 4 year school has to sit out from competition for 1 year. The player could practice with the new team in the fall, and, in principle, also practice with the team in the spring. However, to practice with the team in the spring (the championship segment), he would have to be named to the 35 man roster, even though he wouldn't be able to play in games. It's not obvious that the second school would allow this, since it takes a roster spot away from somebody.

So I think this means that your son could play 3 years at the first school, transfer, be in residence for a year, and play in his last season of eligibility during his 5th year of college. Skipping a season at the first school won't work out, because he can only get in one season at the second school before the 5 year calendar limit runs out.

Edited to correct the error pointed out by 08Dad

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
LL,
A general rule that applies to all NCAA schools and all sports is that an athlete has 5 calendar years in which to play a maximum of 4 seasons of competition. The 5 years start upon entering a 4 year college. Of course there are exceptions, but they aren't common.

Just a minor addition to this from what I have heard directly from the NCAA. The clock starts ticking when the student enrolls full time at any college. If at a junior college, the 5 year clock is already running. If the student enrolls at a less than full time basis for their freshman year, then that year does not count from a 5 year clock perspective. (for example taking 11 units in a school where 12 units is considered full time both fall and spring would result in 22 units completed - and no time off the 5 year clock. Of course the player cannot play during that year as they are not a fulltime student. This is sometimes referred to as greyshirting.

Also, there is some other rule around DIII - where you have 10 full time semesters rather than 5 years - but I would suggest reading that or calling the NCAA for more details on that...

08

08Dad,

Thanks for catching my errors.

I would not call them errors - more like little tiny loopholes!!!