Do West Coast coaches check East Coast Perfect Game events?

Where on the west coast?  California?  

There are more excellent baseball players in California  than rosters can hold.  

Have your son check the rosters of schools out west that he is interested in to see if they only recruit locally.  Many coaches don't have to look far to recruit.

Of course, "everyone is looking for a good LHP".

My son at one time was interested in TCU.  He took a quick look at the roster.....all from Texas with a lone outlier (or two) from out of state.

Just looked at Cal, UCLA, UC Davis, UCSB, and Cal St. Fullerton.  One out of state kid total.  Privates are bit different. A few kids from other western states on the USC roster.  Players from all over on Stanford, though dominated by CA.

What is the best Showcase to attend to get attention from West Coast schools if you are a kid NOT from California? Is Showball a worth while event to attend?? In the East it is very highly recommended. 

I think you can attend any showcase that is held in California and it will not matter if the kid is from California or not.  The point made above is that the California schools typically do not have to recruit kids from out of state since there are so many local options for them.  So the coaches do not sign up to work many of these showcases in other states. 

But there are a number of them who do attend showcases in California.  Check out the Top 96 camps in the Bay Area and Southern California and you will find a list of coaches from many California schools.  Some of the elite schools like USC and UCLA have their own camps and don't have to do much to find players, but the others do attend many in state showcases are would be looking for kids who can play, regardless of where they live.  And as we Californians have learned the hard way, the state schools are admitting out of state students more than in state students because of the extra tuition the school derives.  So in that aspect, being from out of state would be an advantage in some cases.

Florida and California are similar in this regard. You probably have to be an absolute Stud to play at one of these schools out of state. Being equivalent to the other talent is not enough, you have to be much better. 

California and Florida kids want to stay in their state. This is a problem for all the out of state kids who want to play their as well.

Best way to find out where these coaches are going to be is ask. If they return the email or call.

Thanks

Pick a college like UCLA...

Search for their baseball roster.

Do a search using players name and baseball. (John Doe Baseball)

See what they did while in HS.

In about a week we will have most of the very best California players in Ft Myers.  It is that way every year.  It's all about competition and recognition. When a kid from California stands out against the best in the entire country, you can be sure that the California colleges will know, whether they were physically at the event or not.

All the top colleges follow certain events closely.  They actually have to!  Once they hear about a prospect, that player no longer needs to worry about getting seen.  The colleges will make sure they see that player ASAP.

Such great responses!  Thanks everyone!  We've flown him to Cal State Fullerton prospect events (hubby and I are both Fullerton alumni ourselves), to Trosky 30-college showcases, Big 3 of the West Showcase (Fullerton, Long Beach, UCI), to Pepperdine, etc.  That's our family vacation every summer so we make it a baseball showcase event.  But this summer before senior year is now committed to Impact tournaments (VA, NC & MD) and Perfect Game in Emerson, Georgia.  Wonder if it's worthwhile to squeeze in another CA trip in mid-August?  Trying to refine the game plan and summer schedule!

Looks like you have covered many of the local showcases hosted by the schools.  Not to advocate for one organization over another, but this one in early August would give him exposure to some other California and Western schools in the D1, D2, and D3 categories.  My criteria for these is that they should name the schools and coaches working them so the player can contact them ahead of time to tell them they are interested in their school.

http://www.top96baseball.com/e...lay_camp.php?de=5283

They also have some in Northern California and Sacramento as well.  And this organization also has some academic focused ones as well for the high GPA/high test score players who may be able to get in those schools.  Good luck.

I don't want to be too negative but a kid from PA has a snowball chance in hell in making a California roster unless of course he is an absolute stud. As noted a few schools like Stanford recruit nationally, but most of them know the top kids in area. I would ask Nate Trosky's opinion as he is a class act and will give you the straight scoop on your son if he has seen him. 

Thanks BOF!  Trosky is definitely a class act.  Most impressive event our son has ever attended is a Trosky event! 

JCG posted:

Just looked at Cal, UCLA, UC Davis, UCSB, and Cal St. Fullerton.  One out of state kid total.  Privates are bit different. A few kids from other western states on the USC roster.  Players from all over on Stanford, though dominated by CA.

Adding in UC Irvine (all California kids) and Long Beach State (one kid from NV and one from AZ; otherwise all CA).

Yep - (private) Pepperdine has 6 out of state kids.  But who wouldn't want to live in Malibu?

Just looked at Texas A&M.  There is a guy from Saumico, Wisconsin.  Freshman, not a transfer.  Go figure 2020dad!

One factor in the privates (USC, Pepperdine, Stanford) having more out-of-state kids -- and the state schools having essentially zero -- is that the state schools have an advantage when recruiting in-state kids because, for example, a 25% baseball scholarship makes the cost of attendance so much cheaper for a public vs. a private. Roughly, a 25% ride at UCLA = cost of <$25K, whereas a 25% ride at USC = cost of >$50K. When the schools are competing for an out-of-state kid, OTOH, they are on a more equal footing, cost-wise. So for out-of-state kids who want to play in California, it may be better to focus on the privates. 

Great point 2019Dad.  I never really looked at it in that light for the stud players who may get a full ride wherever they go,  But to fill up the roster and use the remaining scholarship money, these schools can still attract some pretty talented local players who can reduce their cost of education.  I assume the same can be said for other states loaded with baseball talent like Florida, Georgia and Texas.

With the amount of talent in California only certain colleges recruit nationally.  Even though the majority of players being from California, schools like UCLA, USC, Stanford, etc. recruit the best talent nation wide.  Even from our state of Iowa, which is not a hotbed, we have had players successfully recruited by Stanford, USC, San Diego State, and other California colleges. It is all about talent, if a player is talented enough he can be from anywhere and there are California colleges that will want him.  Actually there are colleges everywhere that will want him.  Then there are the other West Coast programs in Arizona and Oregon that recruit nationally.

Also over the years, we have seen more and more talented California players going east to attend colleges.

That's what I was thinking 2019DAD!  Of course, we could send our son out of state (to a public school) and pay out of state tuition and chances are it would cost less than in state tuition for Penn State.  Several friends doing that currently, actually!  Crazy times.

Go44dad posted:

Just looked at Texas A&M.  There is a guy from Saumico, Wisconsin.  Freshman, not a transfer.  Go figure 2020dad!

That may be a case of the exception proving the rule. 

Wisconsin kids can play at Texas A&M if they are ranked 6'4" LHP's whose parents are Aggies and whose grandfather played baseball at A&M.

There seem to be more and more Ca and Fla kids playing in the East schools than ever. I am not even speaking of the ACC or SEC schools but the second tier D-1 and smaller schools. My 2018 wants to go out West for college. We have been to a few events to see his East Coast top schools and now we want to head out West to try to get seen by the schools he has interests in attending for college. We will do the Showball game showcase and will look into the Top96 also, on BOTH Coasts this year. If anyone has any better choices for West Coast schools ....

Highly recommend Trosky showcases in CA if you have the chance - phenomenal events!  We also took son last summer to the Big 3 of the West (3-day) showcase at Cal State Fullerton, UC Irvine and Long Beach State. 

CAGIRL posted:

That's what I was thinking 2019DAD!  Of course, we could send our son out of state (to a public school) and pay out of state tuition and chances are it would cost less than in state tuition for Penn State.  Several friends doing that currently, actually!  Crazy times.

You've got 3 great Patriot League schools there in PA. No baseball money but lots of need based money to throw around.

No baseball money, JCG?  Division 1, right?

CAGIRL posted:

No baseball money, JCG?  Division 1, right?

As far as I know.  Just going by what I've read here, a very few basketball and football scholarships were introduced a few years back, but nothing in baseball or other sports.

(BTW last weekend Navy, the Patriot League champ, eliminated St Marys, which plays in what is supposedly a much stronger conference.)

Thank you!

Cagirl,

Curious, with your son being a rising senior and having done quite a few west coast events already, what has the feedback been from those events and from Trosky?  Is son markedly better this year than last?  

Trying to ask questions that will help you answer yours...

If you are looking to play in the "West" coming from PA and DC there are a bunch of very competitive D3 programs in the SCIAC in California, the Pacific North West [which mostly have PNW kids] and then Texas with the ASC and SCAC. Many are private schools and offer good financial packages for the right student. My son's former program in Texas [Trinity] just won the D3 CWS and to get on the field in that program you better be a "D1" player as at least half of them would compete for a D1 slot almost anywhere in the country. They recruit nationally and have kids from all over the country. There are some really excellent nationally recognized schools in all of those leagues. You can find the schools in the leagues by going to d3baseball.com. 

BOF - lots of Cali kids at those PNC schools, both on and off sports teams.    

Do you have a read on Trinity U's generosity in terms of merit and need-based aid?  I just looked at their site and don't see something I thought I saw before which said something like "our listed tuition is already discounted, so don't expect too much help."  Maybe that was another website.

My son played on Trosky's 18U team for two seasons & went to the Arizona Classic on his Showcase teams as well.  Nate is exceptional at setting a high standard for performance on the field as well as guiding a player into a fine young man.  He is also brutally honest about a players skill set.  He also backs kids that have a strong academic profile.  Usually you have to have a GPA of 3.75 or higher with AP & Honors classes (unless you throw >94mph).  He sets this bar because almost all his players will pass the NCAA Clearing House without a hitch. (i think he only had one that did not in the last 4 years). College coaches know this, so Nate's players are prescreened if you will,  both for skill set & academics. Nate knows what it takes for a player to survive and play @ a California College.   He has a very close relationship with College coaches and fields the Milwaukee Brewers Area Code Team.  If you have already attended a Trosky Showcase, most likely your son would have been identified and you would have received some type of feedback for a fit in a CA college if he or his assistants spotted it. My son was identified in May after his Sophomore year.  You have to be really strong both academically & athletically to make a CA roster. 

Also, once you make a CA roster, it is not an easy road.  Most of my son's friends that played for Trosky and stayed in CA were redshirted their Freshman year.  Some did not even see playing time Sophomore year and some played in about 32% of the games which is 19 games in a 59 game season.  Once you make the 35 man roster, most teams only travel with 27,  then when school ends in April, teams may cut the roster to 22 at this point when the Road to Omaha begins. Last time I checked 9 are on the the field at a time with about 10-13 pitchers in the bullpen. It is extremely competitive.

My son was recruited by many CA schools. He also attended 1/2 day "camps" in the Fall of his Senior Year @ some CA schools where the current college team was on the field with 20 HS Seniors.   In the end, my son chose a D1 school in the Midwest.  

My point is this, continue to read and reread posts from those who have gone thru this before us.  Be realistic about  the type of true recruitment communication your son has with College coaches at this point in time and let that be your guide as to where you invest $$.   So much can happen, or not, .... between Summer of Sophomore year & Senior year.  The Head Coach died @ one school that was heavily recruiting my son.  My son was throwing high 80's on Varisity of HS soph year, he did not officially touch 90 until 4 years later, just last month. He was projected to hit that mark in his HS Senior year.

One thing you may want to look into is the NorCal Reebook World Series held the first week of June.  Lots of East Coast & West Coach colleges attend.

CAGIRL posted:

No baseball money, JCG?  Division 1, right?

Here is some info on the Patriot League: 

The Patriot League formed 26 years ago under the precept that none of its founding institutions -- Bucknell, Colgate and Lehigh Universities; College of the Holy Cross and Lafayette College -- would offer athletic scholarships, giving their Ivy peers someone to compete against. But over the past two decades, as its membership has expanded, so too have its aid policies. In 1996, five years after Fordham University and the U.S. Naval Academy joined the league, it moved to allow basketball scholarships. That policy was applied to all sports except football in 2001, and that year, American and Georgetown Universities joined the league.  

In 2012 they voted to allow scholarships in football:

Beginning with the class entering in fall 2013, the rule allows for each institution to offer up to 15 athletic scholarships and a total of 60 financial aid equivalencies per year.  Whatever football scholarships the colleges add will have to be matched under Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which mandates equitable competitive and financial aid opportunities for female athletes.

I just looked it up online because I was curious.  It looks like they have limits across all sports (75 per school) rather than a specific number per sport although what I read doesn't have those specifics.  I don't see anything that prevents those schools from offering athletic aid to baseball players.  

Wow...thanks for that info on the Patriot.  My son is attending HeadFirst in California in a few weeks and Bucknell and Lafayette are two matches for him because he wants to major in Engineering.  He would fit the profile of a Southern California kid going back East if he (or better yet me) can find the financial aid to make it comparable to in state California tuition.  So this background on the Patriot is helpful to know.

cabbagedad posted:

Cagirl,

Curious, with your son being a rising senior and having done quite a few west coast events already, what has the feedback been from those events and from Trosky?  Is son markedly better this year than last?  

Trying to ask questions that will help you answer yours...

Yep - bigger, faster, stronger and now adding pitching to his tool bag.

JCG, regarding Trinity's merit/need approach, a top academic student can expect around 35-50% merit, and need based I am not sure about. I do know one player who graduated with my son was almost 100% covered. (he was a CA kid that hardly played but was loved by everyone in the program) 85% of the students there get some sort of aide. I know that the PNW gets quite a few CA kids but in general they tend to pick up a lot of the D1 kids from the PNW who want to stay in the area. That is why IMO the D3 schools in the PNW are so good. (probably one of the most competitive D3 conferences in the country) It was cheaper for us for my son to go to Trinity than to a CA in state school assuming no athletic $.  What surprised me was how little academic $ was available for CA state universities.  Looking back on it, it was a waste of time for us to be pursuing D1 schools while considering engineering other than Cal Poly and Stanford. 

Read JOURNEY ON's post several times as he is spot on. 

Backstop22: Based on my experience I would not consider most D1's and attempt to do engineering. Focus on the IVY's (If he is at that level) and D3's. BTW my son graduated from Trinity with an Engineering degree and is in grad school at UT Austin. It was a pretty incredible experience for him, he got to play, got a good degree, went to 4 straight regionals and one CWS. 

Nate runs a number of camps for some CA D1 programs and he pulled my son aside and talked to him at one of those events unsolicited. If I was doing it again I would hook up with one of his teams. Class Act! 

Good luck!

CAGIRL posted:

Such great responses!  Thanks everyone!  We've flown him to Cal State Fullerton prospect events (hubby and I are both Fullerton alumni ourselves), to Trosky 30-college showcases, Big 3 of the West Showcase (Fullerton, Long Beach, UCI), to Pepperdine, etc.  That's our family vacation every summer so we make it a baseball showcase event.  But this summer before senior year is now committed to Impact tournaments (VA, NC & MD) and Perfect Game in Emerson, Georgia.  Wonder if it's worthwhile to squeeze in another CA trip in mid-August?  Trying to refine the game plan and summer schedule!

I don't think you need to worry about CA in mid-August.  Your son is a 2017, by mid-August, all of the offers being made by D1's in CA will be done.  If he's interested in playing in the East, you'll get plenty of exposure from the events you're heading to.  If he's only interested in CA schools, it's my opinion that you're probably spending way too much money coming this way all summer.  Yes, there will be CA schools, but with your son being a 2017, if he's not already at least had some contact and getting some interest from them, he's probably not on their radar.

I've seen plenty of your posts....but everything here seems to run together since I'm getting older

What are your son's measureables?   Ht, Wt, Position, etc.  If a pitcher, velo, 60 time, IF/OF velocity?

My son plays at a D1 in the Midwest....I would be interested to see where your son fits with regard to where my son and his friends were at this point in the summer before their senior year.  

EDIT:  Just read your profile and see you're from PA.  I guess I assumed you were from CA and doing an awful lot of traveling to get to all these East Coast events.   That being said, my comment about August still applies....and actually applies to the D1's in this half of the country too.  Scholarship offers will start rolling in for kids over the next couple months.  You'll have a really good idea by the end of July where your son stands.

Backstop22, my son is a Junior Majoring in Engineering @ a D1 Midwest School.  The Engineering program is 5 years because starting spring of Soph. year, paid internships begin. So, he really is on a Trimester Situation from here on out. He made $15.00/hour working for the Architecture Department of the Facilities Management Division of the University during spring semester.  Right now he is taking classes (full load) while playing for his Summer  Wood bat Team in the Great Lakes League.  His Scholarship money was placed on summer classes & room & board, as he was getting paid in the spring.  This would be an ideal situation for you, if you could swing the first year on your own, then your son could use money earned from his internship to cover the next semester expenses. 

Journey On posted:

Backstop22, my son is a Junior Majoring in Engineering @ a D1 Midwest School.  The Engineering program is 5 years because starting spring of Soph. year, paid internships begin. So, he really is on a Trimester Situation from here on out. He made $15.00/hour working for the Architecture Department of the Facilities Management Division of the University during spring semester.  Right now he is taking classes (full load) while playing for his Summer  Wood bat Team in the Great Lakes League.  His Scholarship money was placed on summer classes & room & board, as he was getting paid in the spring.  This would be an ideal situation for you, if you could swing the first year on your own, then your son could use money earned from his internship to cover the next semester expenses. 

 

Who does your son play for?  My son is playing in Lima.  Nice league...and their updated stats/scoreboard is great...especially if you can't make it to a game

BOF, thanks.  Very interesting.

Someone above mentioned mentioned NorCal World Series.  My son is playing in it right now. Very good event.  Lots of talented kids and lots of eyes on them.