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Does Bush get to keep his Heisman ...

RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
... now that USC has disassociated themselves with Reggie Bush?

"• Bush and Mayo must be disassociated from USC athletics."

"• All statistics vacated for Bush, Mayo and an unnamed women’s tennis athlete in the games which the NCAA deemed them ineligible due to rules violations."


USC hit hard by NCAA sanctions
By Charles Robinson and Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
39 minutes ago

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The NCAA has ruled that the University of Southern California athletic department exhibited a lack of institutional control from 2004 to 2009 for a wide array of rules violations committed in its football, men’s basketball and women’s tennis programs.

The findings of its investigation, spurred by a 2006 Yahoo! Sports probe, came in a 67-page report released Thursday.

As a result of those violations – which mainly centered on Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush and basketball star O.J. Mayo – the NCAA’s probe resulted in USC being hit with multiple penalties. Among them:

• A postseason ban in football following the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

• A loss of 30 total football scholarships over the 2011, 2012 and 2013 seasons.

• A vacation of all football victories starting in December 2004 and running through the 2005 season. This includes the national championship win over Oklahoma on Jan. 4, 2005.

• An acceptance of USC’s self-imposed penalties on its basketball program, which included a forfeiture of all wins in 2007-2008 and a one-year postseason ban.

• All statistics vacated for Bush, Mayo and an unnamed women’s tennis athlete in the games which the NCAA deemed them ineligible due to rules violations.

• All titles won during ineligible games must be vacated and trophies and banners must be removed.

• Bush and Mayo must be disassociated from USC athletics.

• A forfeiture of wins in the women’s tennis program from May 2006 to May 2009, for long-distance telephone violations committed by an athlete.

• A reduction of recruiting days for the men’s basketball program in 2010-2011.

• Four years of probation.

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coach2709coach270910,000+ posts


LANE KIFFIN

you are now the head coach of a team that got hammered by the NCAA.

What does "Bush and Mayo must be disassociated from USC athletics" mean exactly?

There has to be a better way to punish USC than what the NCAA is doing now. All they are doing is punishing athletes who have nothing to do with this scandal and came to USC on good faith (more or less). If they want to stick with this line of punishment then allow the athletes that are there to transfer without penalty.

What happens to Pete Carroll and Tim Floyd if they want to coach college again? Will they be punished since it happened on their watch when they get another college job? The only people being punished are athletes who probably have done nothing wrong.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
Carroll, Floyd, Mayo and Bush all have their nice paying jobs. Theoretically they get away free. They still had the thrill of winning. Their pro contracts will not be negated. I'd like to see the NCAA throw the hammer at these schools and allow the athletes to walk away without transfer penalties.

Can you imagine if USC got the death penalty? Homecoming would be at a s0ccer game!
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L liner100+ posts
an arguement could be made that if it were detected when it should have been, he wouldn't have been eligible. All in all it happens all over the place, just different ways of disguising. College football is huge business, and is run like one, hard for many involved to be sanctimonius about it under the situation.

All that being said I would let him keep it. Hopefully they can create an even playing field by enforcing rules ridgidly and taking away the incentive. Don't get me started on gambling...Smile
bsbl247bsbl2471,000+ posts
I was born and raised in Southern California. I've followed all the So Cal teams with no particular allegiance to any. I feel bad for the current student/athletes and recruits headed to USC that had NOTHING to do with what went on six years ago. With that said, if Reggie Bush knowingly received benefits prior to, and while he attended USC, then take his Heisman Trophy away and give it to the runner up that season!

I don't believe you take the National Championship away from the Trojans, unless it's proven that Coach Carrol had knowledge of what was going on? If he indeed had knowledge, then I'm with PG...give the trophy to Auburn!

What a mess! I know there are some members on here that have boys currently on the TROJANS Baseball roster. Although this does not hurt the program directly, I'd have to think they're going to take a pretty big indirect hit? Unfortunately this was not a good time for this to come down, the Trojans had a tough year in the PAC 10...and there is way too much tradition for that program to stay down at the bottom of the Pac(k)!
SA S. Abrams100+ posts
Gotta agree with most everybody's thoughts about the USC mess...just isn't right that the current players get the shaft. Major loophole in the NCAA regs and enforcement.

In reality, the night USC beat OU I seriously doubt any team in the country could have beaten them, along with several pro teams. They were pretty much unstoppable that night. Auburn might have slowed them down just by keeping the ball away from them, but I don't thnk we would beaten USC that night. But had USC played us the days we beat Bama or Georgia that year, I seriously doubt USC stays on the field.

All that said, we don't want the BCS trophy except by winning it on the field (yeah, I know it may be the closest we get in while). We also don't want the current USC players penalized for the sins of their predecessors. Would rather keep things as they are than see the current team get nailed like this. Just wish the NCAA had a process for schools to recoup damages,etc. from former players that commit these offenses.

Sheesh, you would have thought Reggie would have been happy enough with Kim Kardashian. LOL.
fanofgamefanofgame5,000+ posts
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What a mess! I know there are some members on here that have boys currently on the TROJANS Baseball roster. Although this does not hurt the program directly, I'd have to think they're going to take a pretty big indirect hit? Unfortunately this was not a good time for this to come down, the Trojans had a tough year in the PAC 10...and there is way too much tradition for that program to stay down at the bottom of the Pac(k)!


All a player can do is work hard, and continue to have honor and respect for himself, his teamamtes and the rules of the game, as well as the NCAA.There are many fine men and women who wear Trojan uniforms. USC is a good education, and kids who walked into it had no idea of the magnitude of this situation.Players cant transfer without penalty, so they must play hard and play right and be beyond reproach.
RJMRJMHSBaseballWeb member since 2007
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just isn't right that the current players get the shaft. Major loophole in the NCAA regs and enforcement.
All players involved with these teams are being allowed to transfer without penalty. The problem is this late in the process for the 10/11 year only the studs will be pursued.

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