Does everyone know this...

everyone googling this or something...

ChicksDigThe LongBall:

No...not Googling...just wondering why pitcher no. 1 is not the winning pitcher and pitcher no. 2 isn't credited with a save?

Depends on a lot of things. In MLB a starter has to go at least 5 innings to get a win (one pitch to get a loss ). HS around here (7 inning games) they have to go at least 4 innings.

I have seen even in college where if it is announced ahead of time that the starter is only going to go 2 or 3 innings max and they leave with a lead that isn't relinquished, they will get the win.

Frank

I am with you regarding circumstances

I think the normal HS rule is 4 compete inning in a 7 inning game

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
ChicksDigThe LongBall:

No...not Googling...just wondering why pitcher no. 1 is not the winning pitcher and pitcher no. 2 isn't credited with a save?

In HS, and the rules on saves will vary by region, but it is usually something like when the pitcher comes in with 1 or 2 innings left in a situation where there are go ahead runners on base and he "truly" saves the game.

I think HS rule is good.

Not saying that coaches abuse the rule, but i've seen situations where a coach would put in a senior that's really subpar and let him start for a couple in hopes of beefing up his stats for reporting/recruiting purposes. Lot of times this rule is NOT caught and will report the win for the senior.

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Originally posted by FrankF:
I have seen even in college where if it is announced ahead of time that the starter is only going to go 2 or 3 innings max and they leave with a lead that isn't relinquished, they will get the win.

I've seen the same thing in HS games.
EX:
pitcher 1 - 2 inning
pitcher 2 - 2 inning
pitcher 3 - 2 inning
pitcher 4 - 1 inning

In your scenario Frank pitcher 1 would get the win. Have seen this happened at the beginning of a season, and before tourneys to get multiple pitchers a little bit of work each.

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Originally posted by topdogfan:

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Originally posted by FrankF:
I have seen even in college where if it is announced ahead of time that the starter is only going to go 2 or 3 innings max and they leave with a lead that isn't relinquished, they will get the win.

I've seen the same thing in HS games.
EX:
pitcher 1 - 2 inning
pitcher 2 - 2 inning
pitcher 3 - 2 inning
pitcher 4 - 1 inning

In your scenario Frank pitcher 1 would get the win. Have seen this happened at the beginning of a season, and before tourneys to get multiple pitchers a little bit of work each.

Topdog,
What the better coaches do in this situation in my opinion is that they are fair and give it to the pitcher that pitched the best during his stint. For example if pitcher-3 struck out 5 batters in the top of the order then the coach would give the win to him.

Does anyone know:

Can a HS pitcher get a Win and a Save for the same game?

Pitcher 1 pitches 5 innings then the coach moves him to 1st base, keeping him in the game because he hasn't thrown many pitches and the reliever is a little wild. Reliever cuts a 5-run lead down to 2 runs in the 6th. They switch places for the 7th so Pitcher 1 finishes the game he had started. The AD said after this game that Pitcher 1 technically gets the Win and the Save, although the stats software wouldn't take both so they just give him a Win. Just curious.

High schools coaches will modify this to their liking. The starting pitcher does have a predetermined number of innings he has to pitch in order to get the win. In MLB it is 5 and at our HS it was 4 if I remember correctly. If you don’t meet those requirements, you CAN NOT get the win. The win will go to the relief pitcher that was determined to be the most effective by the official scorekeeper ... but in reality is determined by the HS coach. I was the official scorekeeper for our HS but the coach would make it a point to tell me who got the win. He would sometimes make the call on hits/errors to preserve a no hitter or to boosts a kids confidence. He was not always right but he was always the coach.

Fungo

"He was not always right but he was always the coach".

Ain't that the truth!

NO SAVE HERE. The AD is wrong.
Rules say (MLB):
Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: (1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and (2) He is not the winning pitcher; and (3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: (a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or (b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or (c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings. No more than one save may be credited in each game.

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If you don’t meet those requirements, you CAN NOT get the win.

Fungo, not to argue, but I've seen it plenty of times. Auburn had a game last year vs Samford where the starter threw 4 innings and got the win. In Dartmouth's last game of the season the starter only went 2 innings (scheduled and they used 6 pitchers) and got the win.

I did go back and reread your post. You didn't mention college? Is that different?

From the NFHS and NCAA rule book...

NFHS Rule 9-6-6
To get the win the starting pitcher must complete:

3 innings if the game goes six innings or less....

or
4 innings if the game goes seven or more innings.......

NCAA 10-25a

To get the win the starting pitcher must complete:

4 innings if the game goes seven or less innings

or

5 innings if the game goes eight or more innings...

I have seen plenty of HS "wins" and "saves" recorded and reported to the paper when they did not meet the rule book definition.......