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PUHD,
Maybe the pro option may be better for your son. He obvioulsy, for now has no use for school.

He may not get much to sign, as he has few academic options, but maybe living on 1250 a month for 8 months will teach him that college education may be a better alternative as not too many ever see more than that (some more if you advance to highest A levels). MLB offers a scholarship program and he can take advantage of that to go to school later on.

Sleeping on an air mattress,long bus rides, cheap burgers, really helps put life into perspective for many who sign out of HS with little financial assistance from home or from a bonus to keep you longer in the milb game.

Good work on banning him from basketball!
PUHD,

I have enjoyed your candid posts.

The first offer may be the right offer, it is unique for each player. In my son's case it was easier to tell what the right offer was by seeing lots of wrong offers, plus he had a specific academic major in mind.

Many seniors in high school are undecided on their major so their idea of the right offer may not be weighted as much on the academic side as my son's decision was. If the school he signed with had been his first offer, he probably would have signed at his "first offer".

One thing to remember is, and you see it posted here, is that players at very competitive programs really have to want to play. The mandatory study halls, conditioning, lifting, individual batting and defensive workouts take up most of his time in what is referred to as the "off season". "In season" has even more time demands. He knows several players from former teams who are transferring or have quit already, not realizing the time demands of early morning workouts, afternoon individual workouts and conditioning in the evening. He is tired most of the time, but he is adjusting. He will likely have about 4 days off in the spring before showing up at his summer college assignment.

I don't know if there is any way for your son to really know what it will be like without experiencing it, but those players who don't really want it won't be successful. My son knew beforehand what the schedule would be, but actually doing it is the only way to know if you can do it.
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You stated that you would like him to be closer so you can watch him play, this is NOT about you. The parent that is willing to let go is the one who is doing a great justice to their child.


Having read this, I have never felt better that my kid is 10,000 miles away and I'll be lucky to see even a half dozen of his games over his 4-year career.

I think PUD was simply saying he would enjoy being able to watch his son play. We would all like that. Very much.
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Originally posted by TRhit:
With the internet the way it is today there is no need to be there in attendance


!0 to 12 years ago I heard all my sons games on the internet---today you may find that a number of the games are "streamed"


It would be nice to think that you can listen, watch Game Tracker, or watch a streaming video for the baseball college games, but not all have them. It would be something to check out if that is important to the family.

It may not be a deal breaker, but a nice to have.
Kjay,

some great posts there. As POP UP HItter knows even if his son goes to a JUCO, its work. My son is at a JC, its a 40 minute drive each way(maybe live down there next year), early morning workouts, 14 units, the drive, the 5 days a week and some Saturdays, doing school work and eating and sleeping, there isnt much time left. My son and his dad went to the USC Stanford game today. They havent done anything like this all summer or Fall with the demands of baseball. My son was very excited to have a normal day. A boy on my sons team quit last week, He was the third string catcher even after redshirting last year. He told my son, I am not going to play very much, I have not much chance to play at a 4 year, he said he didnt want to put the time and effort into it anymore, it wasnt fun. He wants to move on and do other things. This kid was a good high school player but he was avg. at best on the JC team. He ralized it was time to move on. Wasnt worth it to him anymore.So all players who get the chance to play beyond HS in any capacity, JUCO, NAIA,D1,2 0r 3 its a lot of work and some times you find that your not good enough to keep up anymore or arent willing to work that hard. Some players eventually max out as to how good they can be.You have to be a very committed young man in the class room and outside of it.
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If he has no interest now how does he live thru the first year of pro ball


That was my point. Most don't realize how motivated you have to be to just play ball everyday.

Krak,
I feel for you, all of us who sent our kids away all wished they could be closer. But I have heard this many times from PUHD, so I am a bit confused as to who wants what more.

Some find PUHD's posts refreshing, I do not. Being honest about one's situation is refreshing, knocking down your player every post is not, IMO anyway. I know that I am not the only one who has that feeling. Many feel sorry for his situation, but honestly, I feel sorry for this player as well, I am not sure that all his problems stem from his own doing.

I am not the world's greatest parent, I have made my share of mistakes, but our childrens attitudes and desire to not be successfulm sometimes is a result of what happens in many family situations when things are not good at home. It's rebellion. Someone told me once that a child's natural desire is to please, not always his parents, but his friends, his coaches, his teachers and above all himself. I don't think this player really feels good about himself, that is why he acts the way he does.

This shouldn't stop PUHD from posting, I just had to let it out, I have never heard you say one positive about your player.
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Originally posted by TRhit:

the kid getting drafted?---I do not think so !!!!

If he has no interest now how does he live thru the first year of pro ball


If a player does not have grades nor a inclination toward college at any level, but has talent, there may well be interest brewing in the future that he may not know from the clubs.

It may not be a nice road as TPM stated, there most likely be not much money unless he just has a talent level that some club does not think they can live without, there were some pretty good college seniors did not get much signing bonus because the clubs know they have no leverage, high school seniors without grades are in the same boat other than going to JUCO route, but they still need to put the time into class to play at the JUCO level.
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TPM,

that was a good post.It is disheartning to read PUHDS post for me as well. I appreciate his ability to take advice, he is never disrespectful towards anyone but there is some underlying problem with him and his son. I think all or kids test us at times, mine have,I am guilty of expecting a lot out of them because I know what they can do.Sometimes I push too hard, but at my worst moments I feel maybe irrittaed, angry, frustrated when they dont live up to their potential, but underneath all that I just love both of them so much.I know PUHD does love his son. Its a frustrating thing to see wasted abilities, but there comes a time in a young persons life where they have to begin to want things for themselves.
but the end result we want is good men. They need to be encouraged. Yeasterday my sons team was swepth their third game in the fall world series, my son did pretty well but I knew he was a little discouraged. I stayed after until he was done with field maintenace and said hey son how about a lunch date. we hadnt done that in along time. We went to a nice lunch and talked about stuff, his future plans,his dreams and goals, was just a great lunch. simple just lunch with your college kid. But its the relationship you have to build around the ups and downs of baseball. Its a tough life out there, we need to prepare our sons for the future, we need to build them a foundation that will not fall apart at the first sign of adversity. They have to persevere, and not for baseball but one day they too will become fathers and they will have a generation to build up. PUHD, LOVE that son, even when there isnt one thing that day that your happy with. I dont care if he loves you back or hisses at you, continue to love him,
Ahh the challenges of parenting. Parenting is so common but so unique. We ALL could use a little need help in learning how to do it ----- VERY FEW (including me) accept help.

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I think that moms see things differently, dads are much tougher on their sons and turn the other way when it comes to their daughters.

TPM, Explain what you mean about fathers turn the other way when it comes to their daughters??
Daddy's Hands
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Originally posted by Fungo:
Ahh the challenges of parenting. Parenting is so common but so unique. We ALL could use a little need help in learning how to do it ----- VERY FEW (including me) accept help.

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I think that moms see things differently, dads are much tougher on their sons and turn the other way when it comes to their daughters.

TPM, Explain what you mean about fathers turn the other way when it comes to their daughters??
Daddy's Hands


I have one of each. If my daughter was in trouble with dad she just batted those puppy eyes and it stopped the lecture.

On the other hand, son was allowed no excuses let alone puppy looks. Smile

My daughter was rebellious. She did things to punish us because she didn't like rules, she didn't realize that she was just hurting herself, dad let her get away with too much whenshe was very young, she never went to school and when she did she was in lala land. She barely made it through HS. So I do understand this dilemma. It caused much stress. She didn't like me very much during the teenage years.

On a good note, she has a great job and has advanced further than many though her salary doesn't advance because of lack of the college degree. She was just nominated for top star employee award for her company which is rated as one of the best in the country to work for. Out of hundreds, only a few are nominated. She has grown into a responsible mature woman and is MUCH smarter than one would ever expect, she actually has the engineering mind in the family, where the other 4.0+GPA in HS can't figure out where the xbox cables go on the new TV. Roll Eyes She is now one of my best friends.
Big Grin
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TPM, you take me way too seriously. Some of my comments were meant in jest. I will clear the air a bit about number one son. Some very positive things about him. He has yet to get in any trouble, has not had a speeding ticket or accident. I've been told by his teachers he is a nice student, just doesn't apply himself. And yes, I really enjoy watching him play, he has done so many amazing things in sports. You may want to call it pre-baseball withdrawal syndrome. So folks from now on, only what little good advice I may offer is available. No more "negative comments about my only son".

Oh and I did say in a previous post my son has a cannon for an arm. So not all negative.

fanofgame, keep those posts coming, your information has been very comforting. I can see the boys down south are lucky to keep playing ball. Up north its winter training time already. Oh how lucky it is to be down where its warm in the winter. So keep the advice flowing!
PUHD,

Those were some great qualities you just mentioned about your son. No one is saying dont ever post anything neg. its just you have posted a lot negative so it is nice to hear some good things about your son. So he is behaved in class just doesnt care for school(lots of boys like that esp. int their senior year)He sounds like he has some abilities in baseball. He has stayed out of trouble which is absolutely a strong positive.
Yes California it was 75 degrees. lthough prayers needed for So. Cal the fires are really bad there right now.anyway I know when you say things your frustrated becasue you see the potential. its maddening to see unused potential. I alway take myself back to when I was 18 and it wasnt a pretty picture for my parents all the time either LOL.
TPM thanks for the clarification. Your family's situation is fine but there is no "norm" here in my opinion. For instance I have two sons and one daughter and I don't see ANY comparison to your husband and your daughter's relationship and my daughter's and my relationship, Plus my two sons are completely different. One looked to me for direction the other looked to his mother. I see people (moms, dads, sons and daughters) as all being different and relating to each other differently. Parents "parent" differently and the children respond differently. I come from the old school but even I know in today's society it's politically incorrect (and in some cases illegal) to even suggest "responsibilities" should be determined by gender.

No. I'm not suggesting you change your screen name to TPP. (TigerPawPerson) Big Grin Big Grin
Fungo
fanofgame, boy did you hit the nail on the head with your perspective. My biggest fear is son will turn out like old man, when he has so much more potential and abilities, not to mention opportunity. I didn't know what sports were in my day and no one said, hey you like you could throw, catch, etc, etc. I'm not making excuses for myself, just a comparison of potential. We all know things were different in the 70s.
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Originally posted by Fungo:
TPM thanks for the clarification. Your family's situation is fine but there is no "norm" here in my opinion. For instance I have two sons and one daughter and I don't see ANY comparison to your husband and your daughter's relationship and my daughter's and my relationship, Plus my two sons are completely different. One looked to me for direction the other looked to his mother. I see people (moms, dads, sons and daughters) as all being different and relating to each other differently. Parents "parent" differently and the children respond differently. I come from the old school but even I know in today's society it's politically incorrect (and in some cases illegal) to even suggest "responsibilities" should be determined by gender.

No. I'm not suggesting you change your screen name to TPP. (TigerPawPerson) Big Grin Big Grin
Fungo


How about TigerPawParent? I was just giving an example of how children act when rebellious, they tend to do things they know bug parents, but hurt themselves, I am thinking that may be the case for PUHD.
But since you brought it up and may not be the case in this situation, I have seen dads (not moms) go balistic on their sons when the their game was not played the way they (dad) thought it should have been played. Yet have never seen a mom take their frustration out on their sons, but tend to have a more gentle approach to what went wrong.
Why is that? We are a bit off topic here, sorry.
So Pop why not look at going South to college ? That was our primary consideration. A change of scenery and a chance to spread his wings. Probably the best thing we did for my son. He will never regret going south.
My wife is the sherif when it comes to the kids. She lays the law down and we never had 1 problem with any of our 4 kids. One didn't go to college but that was no problem with us. She works in a small logging town in Norther British Columbia. She is happily married and just had a baby girl. Her husband adores her and she loves her job. She works for a large international insurance co and was the top seller in the whole province. She was also employee of the year for her district. She won a trip to a ski resort and din't even take it. Loves what she is doing and where she is. That is the goal. Unfortunately she is 2700+ miles away.
Pop maybe it is time to let your son spread his wings.
Bobblehead, by the way, that is a great screen name, I was told by a rec coach four years ago that we should pack up and move to Florida so son would play more. He evidently played in the minors and thought son was special player. He ended up going back to Florida himself. Of course our jobs are here, I wasn't too keen on moving so son could play more ball. I'm beginning to think with all the good southern players, the reason is they play more ball and son would be better off in a drier climate. Unless a another school down south makes offer he is 90% sure to go to Nevada. It is a relief to know he does have someplace to go. If we can do it and son agrees, we may watch a game of theirs in early season. Long drive, but what the heck, gas is cheap now.
Bobbleheaddoll,
Not sure if you are aware that PUHD has stated that his son is ineligible. The option seems to be JUCO.

As far as living in warm weather states making you a better player that is not necessarily true. Those living in Florida are sometimes exposed to more options regarding professional instruction and for years scout teams that now exist almost everywhere. Travel HS teams are managed by those who used to be involved in baseball (Ex. Chet's Lemon Juice). Many of my sons coaches or those willing to help were ex ball players or someone involved in baseball because this is a big state with lots going on including 11-12 milb teams. As far as son's playing time, it was limited. There are parents I know whose sons live in cold weather states who played more than son ever did. I think bobbleheads son played way more baseball as a youth than mine ever did and he lives in a VERY cold place. His travel ball was limited and so were his playing time in HS, until we felt it was most important. That was how we did things, but not everyone does things the same. I have seen more kids here in FL not even make it to college due to injuries that occured in HS and played tons of bb from youth upward and never stopped. I have seen players here get drafted and never played on travel teams because of HS. Others have to rely on travel teams because the HS programs are fair (just like everywhere else).

There are many folks here whose sons went OUT OF STATE to play college ball. Ironic isn't it. That's because there are not enough higher tier institutions available for education for all of our kids with real good baseball programs. Most players here I know think education first, baseball second. Some of our JUCOs have better baseball progrmas than the D1 programs, you have to be real good to play and grades not an issue for the top JUCOs.

Above all else, doesn't matter how much you play, you have to perform in the classroom as well. And you have to seek opportunities that exist within your own area. Here in FL some kids attend UM, UF and FSU, Buckie Dent, IMG for camps and get good instruction and never leave because of the knowledge that is found. We are lucky in that respect.
It's NOT about playing more, but playing smart.
TPM I did understand that he was probably talking a Nevada JC. I was talking more about inspiring his son to go to a warm climate which is probably appreaciated more by guys like us. Yes my son worked out or played all year. We also were surrounded by ex pros who ran and coached our elite teams. During the winter many were at our camps until the spring training. I found they liked being around BB all year even if it was jsut to help kids.
Weather wise it is still reasonably warm here but then I live in Southern Ontario. Snow is all around us in Toronto and Buffalo. This is much warmer than last year. We are around 50 degrees while my son is enjoying 70-80 degrees. This has been the worst year for weather in Charleston since he went there but it is still much better than here. They haven't had some of the hurricanes that hit the South this year.
If Pops son had a goal to play in a warm climate it might motivate him. My son had several offers from cold weather colleges but wouldn't even look at them. Maybe this would inspire Pops son. Going far away from the homestaed can be exciting for a young man. You only get a few years to play but you will have a life time of memories. The influences on him have been very positive.

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