While the Draft and Follow ended a couple years ago, JC still gets many kids who want to play professional baseball and don't want to wait 3 years.
Often you will see current draft picks who are committed to DI schools change their mind and go JUCO in order to be draft eligible the following year. ie. Levon Washington was drafted early this year and was committedt o attend U of Florida. For some reason he didn't sign with the team that drafted him, but he went to a Juco rather than Florida.
Typically at a 4 year college the draft classes are juniors and seniors. At most 4 year schools the junior and senior classes are the smallest. At all juco's everyone on the roster is draft eligible. Then, there are many more JC's than DII programs.
Put it all together and there will almost always be more JC draft picks than DII.
Great reposonses from everyone! PG - I figured you had some of the information but did not want to put you on the spot for it - thanks for contributing. playfair - thank you. infielddad - those are staggering numbers when you think about it. Thanks to eveyone who has contributed.
After this thread has run its course, I'll move it down into the draft forum where people can reference the numbers in the future.
Everyone please feel free to keep updating the stats here. Also, feel free to post other statistics that might also be interesting to consider. Thanks!
After this thread has run its course, I'll move it down into the draft forum where people can reference the numbers in the future.
Everyone please feel free to keep updating the stats here. Also, feel free to post other statistics that might also be interesting to consider. Thanks!
Stayinside11, The thing that really struck me about the Juco players drafted is this.....
Only 24 Juco players in the entire country were drafted in the top 10 rounds. I think that is a very small number when considering all the "going to a Juco to stay draft eligible" talk. That is 24 of 321 picks.
In the top 20 rounds only 68 Juco players were selected. 68 of 621 picks. Even if we subtract the hs players out of the equation and compare college picks to college picks that would be 68 of 444 or 15.3%. That is a very small number to "want to stay draft eligible" for.
Because I dont think there is a lack of talent in JUCO I am left wondering if there is a lack of urgency in drafting JUCO players.
Only 24 Juco players in the entire country were drafted in the top 10 rounds. I think that is a very small number when considering all the "going to a Juco to stay draft eligible" talk. That is 24 of 321 picks.
In the top 20 rounds only 68 Juco players were selected. 68 of 621 picks. Even if we subtract the hs players out of the equation and compare college picks to college picks that would be 68 of 444 or 15.3%. That is a very small number to "want to stay draft eligible" for.
Because I dont think there is a lack of talent in JUCO I am left wondering if there is a lack of urgency in drafting JUCO players.
playfair,
You're correct, the numbers don't always add up. Though, once again, numbers mean different things to different individuals.
The number of players who want to be drafted, or stay draft eligible, is much different than the number that actually are drafted. Many go to JC thinking that they are likely to get drafted only to find out they don't get drafted. Of course, they then are draft eligible the following year.
In the early rounds (Top 20) they draft players based on ability, potential and signability. I would look at the figures (more than one out of every 10 being a JC player) as being fairly high for those rounds.
You're correct, the numbers don't always add up. Though, once again, numbers mean different things to different individuals.
The number of players who want to be drafted, or stay draft eligible, is much different than the number that actually are drafted. Many go to JC thinking that they are likely to get drafted only to find out they don't get drafted. Of course, they then are draft eligible the following year.
In the early rounds (Top 20) they draft players based on ability, potential and signability. I would look at the figures (more than one out of every 10 being a JC player) as being fairly high for those rounds.
This took me a long time to compile and then when I went back through to double-check my work it didn't seem to add up exactly. They might be off + or - 2 players. But anyways these are pretty close and I will try to post exact numbers in near future:
D1- 680 players
D2- 61 players
D3- 14 players
NAIA- 47 players
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D1- 680 players
D2- 61 players
D3- 14 players
NAIA- 47 players
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OnWabana,
That had to be pretty tough. Thanks for doing it.
That had to be pretty tough. Thanks for doing it.
2009 Division III draftees
Nineteen players were selected in the 2009 MLB draft from Division III schools
The draft list:
Overall Player,School Position Team (round)
260 Robert Whitenack, Old Westbury RHP Chicago NL (8)
432 Matthew Tone, Cortland LHP Minnesota (14)
592 Jack Walker, Concordia (Ill.) 3B Washington (20)
734 Michael Johnson, Concordia-Austin RHP New York NL (24)
786 Dan Kazrowsi, Hamline SS Arizona (26)
792 Mike Giovenco, North Park RHP Minnesota (26)
794 John Semel, Chapman OF New York NL (26)
862 Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) LHP Washington (29)
918 Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.) RHP Boston (30)
929 Adian Kummet, St. Scholastica RHP Cincinnati (31)
949 Aaron Dott, UW-Whitewater LHP Tampa Bay (31)
1057 David Iden, Cal Lutheran 2B Los Angeles (35)
1079 Chris Burleson, Southern Maine SS Cincinnati (36)
1211 Daniel Sarisky, Oglethorpe RHP Houson (39)
1237 Chris Handke, Cornell RHP Los Angeles (41)
1363 Harold Baines, McDaniel OF Chicago AL (45)
1464 Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler RHP San Diego(49)
1517 David Hissey, Emory OF Philadelphia (50)
1518 Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer 1B Boston (50)
Nineteen players were selected in the 2009 MLB draft from Division III schools
The draft list:
Overall Player,School Position Team (round)
260 Robert Whitenack, Old Westbury RHP Chicago NL (8)
432 Matthew Tone, Cortland LHP Minnesota (14)
592 Jack Walker, Concordia (Ill.) 3B Washington (20)
734 Michael Johnson, Concordia-Austin RHP New York NL (24)
786 Dan Kazrowsi, Hamline SS Arizona (26)
792 Mike Giovenco, North Park RHP Minnesota (26)
794 John Semel, Chapman OF New York NL (26)
862 Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) LHP Washington (29)
918 Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity (Conn.) RHP Boston (30)
929 Adian Kummet, St. Scholastica RHP Cincinnati (31)
949 Aaron Dott, UW-Whitewater LHP Tampa Bay (31)
1057 David Iden, Cal Lutheran 2B Los Angeles (35)
1079 Chris Burleson, Southern Maine SS Cincinnati (36)
1211 Daniel Sarisky, Oglethorpe RHP Houson (39)
1237 Chris Handke, Cornell RHP Los Angeles (41)
1363 Harold Baines, McDaniel OF Chicago AL (45)
1464 Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler RHP San Diego(49)
1517 David Hissey, Emory OF Philadelphia (50)
1518 Drew Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer 1B Boston (50)
Not intending to Nit-Pick as this is a great list. Just as a point of order Handke of Cornell is in the Ivy League and is D1
lefty,
Handke is from the Cornell in Iowa. That Cornell is a DIII school. Three of those listed were at our National Predraft Showcase.... Including Handke a 6'10"/235 RHP who pitched something like 9 innings all year at Cornell. He averaged a HBP every inning.
Handke is from the Cornell in Iowa. That Cornell is a DIII school. Three of those listed were at our National Predraft Showcase.... Including Handke a 6'10"/235 RHP who pitched something like 9 innings all year at Cornell. He averaged a HBP every inning.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
lefty,
Handke is from the Cornell in Iowa. That Cornell is a DIII school. Three of those listed were at our National Predraft Showcase.... Including Handke a 6'10"/235 RHP who pitched something like 9 innings all year at Cornell. He averaged a HBP every inning.
PG,
There's gotta be something there, c'mon, share with the class!
Kid throws 9 innings all year at a D3 and gets drafted?!?!?!?The kid is 6'10"...is he a fireballer or do they just love tall kids throwing downhill?
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
The kid is 6'10"...is he a fireballer or do they just love tall kids throwing downhill?
If they LOVE you, you go in the top 4 rounds, if you are 6'5" and 235 and they are interested you go at 1237.
PGStaff - Sounds like Handke's not afraid to pound inside???????
BTW - Harold Baines is the son of Chicago White Sox great and current bench coach by the same name.
BTW - Harold Baines is the son of Chicago White Sox great and current bench coach by the same name.
CPLZ,
Yes, Chris Handke is an interesting story. He’s actually a good basketball player, big tall athlete, who hasn’t pitched much. Great kid, great student who will be very successful in life. His story can be googled... Chris Handke baseball
Handke is another example of most anything being possible.
Handke stats for DIII Cornell College last year…
Games - 6
IP – 10.2
ERA – 15.19
K – 8
BB – 12
Velocity – 85-88
After Cornell’s season ended he came in and worked on his mechanics and got his velocity up to 93 a week before the predraft.
Here is another draft pick story out of the predraft showcase the previous year (2008)…
Part time Catcher for DII school, hit .200 his senior year.
One player at the same college was named team MVP and DII all-american – not drafted
A couple players earned all conference – not drafted
MVPitcher – not drafted
Coaches Appreciation Award for dedication and attitude (part time catcher who hit.200) - Drafted out of the predraft showcase.
Fast forward to 2009… The above player finished 2009 in AAA. He was drafted as an organizational guy and is being groomed to coach within the MLB organization.
These kind of stories do exist. So often we tend to talk about the high draft picks and well known successful college and high school players. Sometimes the stories behind the, not so well known, kids is just as interesting.
Yes, Chris Handke is an interesting story. He’s actually a good basketball player, big tall athlete, who hasn’t pitched much. Great kid, great student who will be very successful in life. His story can be googled... Chris Handke baseball
Handke is another example of most anything being possible.
Handke stats for DIII Cornell College last year…
Games - 6
IP – 10.2
ERA – 15.19
K – 8
BB – 12
Velocity – 85-88
After Cornell’s season ended he came in and worked on his mechanics and got his velocity up to 93 a week before the predraft.
Here is another draft pick story out of the predraft showcase the previous year (2008)…
Part time Catcher for DII school, hit .200 his senior year.
One player at the same college was named team MVP and DII all-american – not drafted
A couple players earned all conference – not drafted
MVPitcher – not drafted
Coaches Appreciation Award for dedication and attitude (part time catcher who hit.200) - Drafted out of the predraft showcase.
Fast forward to 2009… The above player finished 2009 in AAA. He was drafted as an organizational guy and is being groomed to coach within the MLB organization.
These kind of stories do exist. So often we tend to talk about the high draft picks and well known successful college and high school players. Sometimes the stories behind the, not so well known, kids is just as interesting.
Anyone remember Mike Piazza?
Mike Piazza is Tommy Lasorda's Godson.... Mike is not your average 32 round pick.
Also, didn't kurt yako get drafted this year our of Chapman University (D3)?
Also, didn't kurt yako get drafted this year our of Chapman University (D3)?
Jerry (PGStaff),
I did Google "Chris Handke baseball" and that is a pretty cool story.
http://www.qctimes.com/sports/...4c-001cc4c03286.html
"A former teammate of mine works for Perfect Game in Cedar Rapids, and he encouraged me to take a couple of pitching lessons," Handke said. "I did that, and my velocity came up to where I was hitting around 93 (mph)..."
"I've never been very refined as a pitcher, and in the lessons I learned how to use my hips and midsection as I pitched instead of just trying to throw with my arms and upper body like I had all my life," Handke said.
I've been interested in pitching mechanics ever since 2003 when my son (then a HS pitcher) started working on correcting his mechanics (with the help of several HS Baseball Web members, especially cap_n).
Just curious, do you remember who gave Handke the lessons? I wouldn't be surprised if it was you...
Julie
I did Google "Chris Handke baseball" and that is a pretty cool story.
http://www.qctimes.com/sports/...4c-001cc4c03286.html
"A former teammate of mine works for Perfect Game in Cedar Rapids, and he encouraged me to take a couple of pitching lessons," Handke said. "I did that, and my velocity came up to where I was hitting around 93 (mph)..."
"I've never been very refined as a pitcher, and in the lessons I learned how to use my hips and midsection as I pitched instead of just trying to throw with my arms and upper body like I had all my life," Handke said.
I've been interested in pitching mechanics ever since 2003 when my son (then a HS pitcher) started working on correcting his mechanics (with the help of several HS Baseball Web members, especially cap_n).
Just curious, do you remember who gave Handke the lessons? I wouldn't be surprised if it was you...
Julie
quote:Also, didn't kurt yako get drafted this year out of Chapman University (D3)?
He was drafted in 2008 in the 8th/9th round by the Rockies. Yacko was, I think the 3rd DIII that year.
Ryan Zimmerman was a 2nd rounder by Washington.
He pitched in MLB this year before having TJ.
Playfair:
Mike Piazza was taken as the last pick in the draft by the Dodgers as a favor to Tommy, nobody thought he could play....
Mike Piazza was taken as the last pick in the draft by the Dodgers as a favor to Tommy, nobody thought he could play....
Apparently Tommy has an eye for talent (as well as an affection for lasagne and Piazza)
Hey I noticed a couple of Piazza's on Yavapai's rosters the last couple of years. Are those Mike's sons? The (2009 season)Piazza (Dominic I think) was also a catcher.
Hey I noticed a couple of Piazza's on Yavapai's rosters the last couple of years. Are those Mike's sons? The (2009 season)Piazza (Dominic I think) was also a catcher.
Of the high school drafted position players, how many were left handed hitters? If some one has this info., would they please post it.