Dream Team

yankeeclipper

you and i are an interesting contrast. clearly you are a yankee fan, while i'm a sox fan. i agree w/ willie mays and the babe. brooks robinson and lou gehrig are good picks at positions where it's tough to pick a clear-cut #1. however i strongly disagree w/ your other 5 choices. here's why:

1. yogi berra and derek jeter. i'm putting them together because you chose both of them because they were winners. it amazes me how certain players are considered stars simply because they have won championships. how can you fail to understand that it takes SOOOOOOOO much more than one player to win a championship? how about the other 24 guys on the team, coaches, management, ownership, etc.? jeter and berra won championships because they were on dominant teams. sure they both did well but it took a whole lot more than one guy to win it all. in many ways tom brady is new england's version of jeter. pats fans fail to realize that those 3 rings are a product of 53 players, coaches, trainers, owners, etc. sorry for going on and on and on but i wanted to emphasize that point. i would go with Bench at catcher and A-Rod at short (if you can put Joe D. in left, i can put arod back where he belongs).

2. Joe DiMaggio. this is red sox vs. yankees at its best. two problems w/ your arguement- first you fail to realize that teddy ballgame was clearly a better hitter than dimaggio. also how do you know how dimaggio would play in left? i'm sure he would do fine, but Ted was a corner outfielder. i'm takin ted williams in left.

3. Bill Mazeroski. you've gotta be kidding me! his WS homer in '60 was maybe one out of ten in his career. sure it was clutch, but one hit doesn't make you clutch. at least jeter has been good in the clutch multiple times. indeed Mazeroski was not a good hitter at all, so don't sugarcoat it. he mighta been the best defensive 2b ever, but joe morgan was very good in the field and was a much, much better hitter. Joe Morgan IS a no-brainer.

4. Christy Matthewson. i feel strongly that yesterday's pitchers do not face nearly the same competition as do today's. when Matthewson pitched he was dominant, no question. but at that time the 7 and 8 hitters on every team were automatic outs, as well as the 9 hitter (the pitcher). that means one third of the lineup is automatically out, whereas today pitchers face solid lineups 1-9. that's why i'm taking roger clemens, a guy i dislike very much. but i must admit he was incredible for 20+ seasons at a time when hitters owned baseball.

You're right. I';m a die hard Yankee fan. Still you'd have to admit it would be hard to beat this team.

Plus, Jeter and Berra on this team would be with other guys.

I could see AROD or Williams on this team, and possibly Morgan. They were the hardest to leave out.

How about Jackie Robinson at Second Base?

How about Roy Capanella behind the plate?

Howe about Bob Feller on the mound? Or Tom seaver ?

For one game you might wnat to have Pete Rose somewhere in the lineup

i'll take bob gibson on the mound

I'll take Berra over Campanella any day.

Robinson/Mazeroski??? Good point...That's a tough one. I think Maz was better on defense, which is what I'd want at 2B.

As far as pitchers, you could take Gibson or Seaver, or Feller but also Ryan, Clemens, Koufax, Spahn, Johnson, Young, Ford, Drysdale, Maddux, etc. etc. etc. Still, I have no doubt that Matthewson would win for us.

Other guys who could be picked would be Musial, Williams, Aaron, Snider, Griffey, Jackson, Dickey, I mean, you could go on forever.

No one has questioned my manager yet. Is McGraw unanimous?

With all those players you can have Casey manage the team

And dont forget Clemente in the outfield

yankee...You must live near Yankee Stadium. Get out and see the world.

rhp. Nolan Ryan
lhp. Steve Carlton
c. Johnny Bench
1b. Stan Musial
2nd. Joe Morgan
ss. Ernie Banks
3rd. Mike Schmidt
of. Barry Bonds...likely the best hitter and offensive player of all time
of. Henry Aaron...put up "numbers" when no one cared about "numbers"...now too many players only play for "numbers"
of. Mickey Mantle...thunder from both sides of the plate
dh...Babe Ruth...all he could do was hit for the last 10 years of his career.

i forgot about stan musial.....that was a good pick at first base

i dunno about ernie banks at short.....you really think he's better than arod?

i excluded juicers like bonds from my team, but if my team was all-inclusive then yes i would take bonds

06RHP86-
you make some good points there about juicers. however i'm not going to include them still simply because they cheated and that's wrong. in that case i would also have to exclude guys like gaylord perry(not that i picked him for my team) because he admitted that he threw a spitter.

josh gibson- a good one i hadn't thought of. he was supposedly the negro leagues version of babe ruth. i've revised my team and i've put together a batting order- here it is:

1. 2b Joe Morgan
2. SS Alex Rodriguez
3. LF Ted Williams
4. RF Hank Aaron
5. C Josh Gibson
6. CF Willie Mays
7. 1B Stan Musial
8. 3B Mike Schmidt
9. P Roger Clemens

c- Johnny Bench
p- Randy Johnson
1B- Lou Gehrig
2B-Joe Morgan
SS- Ernie Banks
3B- Mike Schmidt
DH- Pete Rose
RF- Ichiro
LF- Ted Williams
CF- Willie Mays

Ichiro over Ruth???? in RF???

C- Josh Gibson
1B- Babe Ruth
2B- Jackie Robinson
3B- Alex Rodriguez
SS- Derek Jeter
RF- Hank Aaron
CF- Willie Mays
LF- Barry Bonds
DH- Ted Williams

RHP- Roger Clemons, Walter Johnson and Bob Gibson
LHP- Randy Johnson and Sandy Koufax
Middle Relief- Tom Seaver
Closer- Mariano Rivera

Even with the Babe moving to first, I bet that team would essentially be unbeatable.

How about this:

1B - Gehrig
2B - Ryne Sandberg
SS - Cobb
3B - Brooks Robinson
LF - Shoeless Joe Jackson
CF - Mantle
RF - Ruth

Pitching Staff:

Bob Gibson
Walter Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Don Drysdale
Roger Clemens

Reserves:

Honus Wagner
Pete Rose
Willie Mays

PH - Wade Boggs

I forgot my 2 Catchers:

Mickey Cochrane
Yogi Berra