Early Commitment Data

Those numbers may/may not be accurate, but I will say. This account puts out a lot of bad/inaccurate tweets. It panders to likes and retweets and doesn't actually dole out quality advice. The content put out is intended for them to stay relevant on baseball twitter, not so much for accuracy.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is accurate. Seems a little high, but not by much. Nobody should be surprised if this happens to them. The information is available and easy to find.

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is accurate. Seems a little high, but not by much. Nobody should be surprised if this happens to them. The information is available and easy to find.

Where do you get a players commitment date?  

I don't know if it's correct, but we all know it's a pretty high number. But I will say that account/user basically puts that tweet out every few months to get likes/retweets, etc.

My son and I were discussing that tweet yesterday.  He's a 2024 and knows many, MANY teammates/friends who committed early.   It will be interesting to see what happens down the road.

@Around_The_Horn posted:

Where do you get a players commitment date?  

I have had that question for years.  I suspect that PG has a "date entered" for commitments somewhere in their data, but not published.  I have tried to get a feel for how classes are recruited, especially mid-majors, but to see numbers by quarter, by school takes a lot of note taking and follow up.  Any other ideas other than pencil and paper?

@2017 Lefty Dad posted:

I have had that question for years.  I suspect that PG has a "date entered" for commitments somewhere in their data, but not published.  I have tried to get a feel for how classes are recruited, especially mid-majors, but to see numbers by quarter, by school takes a lot of note taking and follow up.  Any other ideas other than pencil and paper?

That is exactly my thought.  You could keep track of PG “recent commit” page every day.  Then when the 8th graders finish their freshman year of college you could have your first year of data.  But that takes 6 years just for one class.  

I think he basically pulls this data out of his a** for likes and engagement. He can never backup the data, and if it existed ( i can't see how it accurately would ) with the experience on this board I'd imagine someone would know it.

All that I will say is the data is self managed, there is a disclaimer on the website.

Secondly, it is not the single source of information.

My analogy is similar to an applicant tracking system, indeed, monster, etc.

Too much time is spent discussing something that is non-binding.

“A verbal commitment happens when a college-bound student-athlete verbally agrees to play sports for a college before he or she signs or is eligible to sign a National Letter of Intent.

This is a Talent Acquisition play, one may say, the commits are steps 4 thru 7,  note there are some that will be sure hires vs some will not.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

All that I will say is the data is self managed, there is a disclaimer on the website.

Secondly, it is not the single source of information.

My analogy is similar to an applicant tracking system, indeed, monster, etc.

Too much time is spent discussing something that is non-binding.

“A verbal commitment happens when a college-bound student-athlete verbally agrees to play sports for a college before he or she signs or is eligible to sign a National Letter of Intent.

This is a Talent Acquisition play, one may say, the commits are steps 4 thru 7,  note there are some that will be sure hires vs some will not.

I’ve been a recruiter for over 20 years (and I’m really good at it). I’ve never seen a 9 step hiring process. If one of my clients came to me with that I’d say “sayonara”.

I believer that twitter poster is from my region and runs a travel program. He may be self promoting but all travel orgs does this to a degree.  He does advocate for his players and was helpful in getting them in front of schools. To what degree is debatable but his travel program fees are on par with the others in the region (they are all over priced imo). 

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

I’ve been a recruiter for over 20 years (and I’m really good at it). I’ve never seen a 9 step hiring process. If one of my clients came to me with that I’d say “sayonara”.

It is just an example, to bring into context what a commit (somewhere between steps 4 thru 7), the only thing that is important from a recruiting perspective step 8 (which in the baseball world is NLI).

I've dealt with enough recruiting firms (from the recruiting and the sales side) and system integrators in a previous life to understand how they source candidates.

Which are headhunters, staff aug, system integrators, etc.

A verbal commitment at any age is not enforceable. Receipt of a NLI and a financial award letter is where you hang your hat.

@CollegebaseballInsights posted:

It is just an example, to bring into context what a commit (somewhere between steps 4 thru 7), the only thing that is important from a recruiting perspective step 8 (which in the baseball world is NLI).

I've dealt with enough recruiting firms (from the recruiting and the sales side) and system integrators in a previous life to understand how they source candidates.

Which are headhunters, staff aug, system integrators, etc.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just poking fun at the infographic. There are companies that actually follow processes like that and can't figure out why they never have candidates make it to the final steps before accepting another offer. Years ago a large firm I worked for rolled out a 13 step recruiting process similar to the one above. A friend who was also an alcoholic and drug addict chimed in during the presentation saying "wtf is this? AA is only a 12 step process and you guys want to do 13 steps?!" A bunch of us left the company within a month knowing the competition would eat their lunch (and we did).

One thing is certain, the better the company/school, the more time they can take with their process.

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just poking fun at the infographic. There are companies that actually follow processes like that and can't figure out why they never have candidates make it to the final steps before accepting another offer. Years ago a large firm I worked for rolled out a 13 step recruiting process similar to the one above. A friend who was also an alcoholic and drug addict chimed in during the presentation saying "wtf is this? AA is only a 12 step process and you guys want to do 13 steps?!" A bunch of us left the company within a month knowing the competition would eat their lunch (and we did).

One thing is certain, the better the company/school, the more time they can take with their process.

Understood.  I think we will create a college recruiting infograph, where the verbal commitment process is just the word 'NON-BINDING"