If a good D1 program is interested in you and the recruiting coordinator is asking you to commit early, what kind of offer should my son expect?
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Depends on whether he is a pitcher, catcher, SS, or CF.
Those spots are usually signed in about that order and command scholarship percentage accordingly.
Corner guys that can hit are next.
Bigtime pitcher. Full ride.
Bigtime hitting catcher. More than 50%.
Bigtime hitting SS or CF. More than 50%.
Corner guys that can hit. Maybe 50%.
All the rest, more than 1/3 is good.
Just my opinion.
Others will differ, especially if they haven't been through the process.
Those spots are usually signed in about that order and command scholarship percentage accordingly.
Corner guys that can hit are next.
Bigtime pitcher. Full ride.
Bigtime hitting catcher. More than 50%.
Bigtime hitting SS or CF. More than 50%.
Corner guys that can hit. Maybe 50%.
All the rest, more than 1/3 is good.
Just my opinion.
Others will differ, especially if they haven't been through the process.
Son is LHP hitting high 80's.
AL MA 08, it's really hard to know exactly because there are so many factors.
But, I think you can use the ranges that I put up there as a guideline.
When you have a recruiting visit, the coach will probably explain exactly how he comes up with his offer amount.
He may have a limited amout for that year and know that he can't match what your son might get elsewhere.
Your finanical situation might not matter, or they might not be able to offer an amount that will allow you to attend the school for financial reasons.
My advice is to know what you can afford to pay and determine what you will be out of pocket.
And, when the numbers will work, I think you will find that the final decision does not come down to money.
Lots of reading on here will help you understand the process as well as it can be understood going in.
Patience will allow you and your son to reach a point where you will know that you are making the right choice.
Good luck.
But, I think you can use the ranges that I put up there as a guideline.
When you have a recruiting visit, the coach will probably explain exactly how he comes up with his offer amount.
He may have a limited amout for that year and know that he can't match what your son might get elsewhere.
Your finanical situation might not matter, or they might not be able to offer an amount that will allow you to attend the school for financial reasons.
My advice is to know what you can afford to pay and determine what you will be out of pocket.
And, when the numbers will work, I think you will find that the final decision does not come down to money.
Lots of reading on here will help you understand the process as well as it can be understood going in.
Patience will allow you and your son to reach a point where you will know that you are making the right choice.
Good luck.
I think FO (Former Observer) is pretty close to his figures.
Sometimes more will be offered if the player is considering draft. Or to keep player from attending another program.
Also depends on whether the school is fully funded and their needs.
Some schools do not give out alot just because of who they are.
In the end, finding the right fit will usually take over money consideration.
Sometimes more will be offered if the player is considering draft. Or to keep player from attending another program.
Also depends on whether the school is fully funded and their needs.
Some schools do not give out alot just because of who they are.
In the end, finding the right fit will usually take over money consideration.
Al Ma 08,
There is a thread titled 11.7 Scholarships that you might want to check out. I found this thread extremely helpful in understanding how the dicing up of 11.7 scholarships might happen.
MN-MOM, the "11.7 Scholarships" thread might be a potential golden thread candidate IMHO
I hope Smokey doesn’t mind that I copied a post in that thread that I think gives a pretty good overview of how a typical team might break things down.
Hope this helps.
There is a thread titled 11.7 Scholarships that you might want to check out. I found this thread extremely helpful in understanding how the dicing up of 11.7 scholarships might happen.
MN-MOM, the "11.7 Scholarships" thread might be a potential golden thread candidate IMHO
I hope Smokey doesn’t mind that I copied a post in that thread that I think gives a pretty good overview of how a typical team might break things down.
Hope this helps.
quote:Originally posted by Smokey:
Consider asking the coach;
1. Is the D1 program fully funded?
2. How many players are carried on the roster?
3. What is the % of scholarships allocated to each position?
4. Is academic available, what are the criteria, and does it have any impact on the 11.7 scholarships.
A fully funded D1 program can carry 30 players, 25 travel to away games, all 30 suite up for home games. Most then carry red-shirts, as many as 4-6, maybe more. How do you think the facilities get in such great shape?
Some programs have a general idea, based on a % of scholarships that they allocate to each position. For example, at one D1 program, of the 11.7 scholarships, 7 are allocated to pitchers, 2 are allocated to catchers, and the remaining 2.7 scholarships are allocated to the infield and outfield positions. I’m not saying all D1 programs allocate scholarships by this % but the more familiar I get with all of this I would bet most are similar. It may be 6-2-3.7, 6.5-2-3.2, or something to that effect. If we broke it down further, a fully funded D1 program’s roster may look like this; 14 pitchers, 4 catchers, and 12 infield/outfield. Based on the 7-2-2.7 split and allocating all scholarships… each pitcher would get 50%, each catcher 50%, and the position players, IF/OF 22.5 %. Given your position, if you benchmark your offer based on this you can get an idea just how good the offer is. However, in the real world the allocation may look something like this;
Pitchers:
3 @ 80% 2.4 scholarships
2 @ 60% 1.2 scholarships
4 @ 50% 2.0 scholarships
5 @ 28% 1.4 scholarships
14 - 7.0 scholarships
Catchers:
1 @ 80% 0.8 scholarships
1 @ 50% 0.5 scholarships
2 @ 35% 0.7 scholarships
4 - 2.0 scholarships
Infield & Outfield:
2 @ 40% 0.8 scholarships
2 @ 35% 0.7 scholarships
4 @ 20% 0.8 scholarships
4 @ 10% 0.4 scholarships
12 - 2.7 scholarships
This algorithm is always in a state of flux. Although most D1 programs have a solid team “core” or base, players leave throughout the school year for many reasons, freeing up scholarship monies; evaluations are made after the fall workout, players may get injured, players leave due to playing time or position within the depth chart, finances, personal/family situations, sickness, grades, burn-out, MLB draft, graduation, NCAA eligibility, discipline issues, etc….
Check to see if academic scholarship is available or a “redheaded, left-handed, stepchild” scholarship. However, some conferences count academic scholarship, etc., toward the 11.7 allocation.
The point I’m trying to make is that baseball scholarships are not like basketball or football. The allocation may increase, decrease, or vanish depending on performance, scholarship availability and/or the needs of the team. An unknown phenomenal pitcher may enter a program for books and by his junior year be on an 80% scholarship. A stud all-state “blue-chip” IF/OF prospect may command 65% to sign and commit his freshman year and, if he doesn’t perform to expectations, end up at 35-40% by the end of his career. Never have I seen a 100% or “full athletic” scholarship in NCAA D1 baseball. Hope this helps.
Thanks everyone, this helps alot. I was wondering what we could expect.
What are the rules about discussing such things now verses the July date when NCAA schools are allowed to talk to recruits.
What are the rules about discussing such things now verses the July date when NCAA schools are allowed to talk to recruits.
If he is a stud left-handed pitcher with velocity and movement, then the big programs will offer as much as 80 percent. Certainly 60 percent would be a minimum, unless he is not quite a stud. Then, adjust accordingly.
quote:Originally posted by AL MA 08:
What are the rules about discussing such things now verses the July date when NCAA schools are allowed to talk to recruits.
A good source of info I HIGHLY recommend you get is the NCAA Booklet titled 2006-07 Guide for the College-Bound Student-Athlete. The link here takes you to the NCAA site where you can view the document as a PDF. Or you can call them and ask them to send you a hard copy. This is a great resource.
You'll also find your answers here on the HSBBWeb but generally speaking, you can call them and ask them anything you want. But they can't call you until July.
I've read all the great responses but the question I have is: Is it customary for a coach to want a committment before a scholarship offer is made? What is "the rule of thumb" so to speak?
Offer leads to acceptance or rejection. Contracts 101
When my son was in HS, we did have one coach that left us completely confused. He said to son after over night visit "where do you stand", "is this where you want to come", "don't worry about the money, I need to know if you want to come here". 
I called him back after son got home and asked "are you going to make an offer"? "Yes mam, ....". I wasn't nearly that forward with any other coach, but I didn't understand his technique. We went and watched them play about a week later with an email from coach wanting to know if that had helped "solidify his decision". Well coach, perhaps if you'd like to let us know what the offer is.
How can a kid commit if they don't know the bottomline dollar? So, like everything else in the world... you may run into an odd situation/expectation.
How can a kid commit if they don't know the bottomline dollar? So, like everything else in the world... you may run into an odd situation/expectation.
There are two sides to this street---when my guy found the place he wanted it was simple--he called and said "Dad, this is it--make the deal !!!"