Earned run question

With two outs, no. One out, then he's charged with one earned run and have to wait to see what happens for the second run. Reconstruct the inning as if the ss made the play at first. One run would have scored and R2 would have advanced to third and there would have been two out. So, R3's run is earned and for R2 we have to wait and see if he would have scored with two outs.

Agree with Root, with the caveat that if there was one out AND the infield in AND the runners were not going on contact AND only went after the error, I think in that case both runs would be unearned (depending on the result of the next batter).  For example, if there was one out, the error allowed the runs to score AND the next batter hit a HR, I believe (though wouldn't bet the house) the runs would be earned. 

Depends on whether the official scorer is the parent of the P, SS, or batter . As a P's dad, every misplay by a fielder is an error to me especially when it affects the ERA. As the SS's dad I'm blaming the P for not striking out the batter or if there's only 1 out - the coach for not walking the batter to set up a DP. As the batter's dad, that's a hit baby - I double up on stats 2 RBIs, increased BAVG, etc.   BTW: I was a P's dad and I can tell you with 100% guarantee that our college scorekeeper would call that a hit and I don't even have to see the play !

Watching the Reds opening day game....grounder to 2B....maybe skipped a little on the edge of the grass, but the 2B was charging so hard (no reason to) that it skipped off his glove.  Tucker Barnhart (not known to be speedy) was the batter...and actually hadn't really started to run hard until the ball skipped off 2B glove.  They have him a hit?  ......yes, the game was in Cincy lol

JohnF posted:

Depends on whether the official scorer is the parent of the P, SS, or batter . As a P's dad, every misplay by a fielder is an error to me especially when it affects the ERA. As the SS's dad I'm blaming the P for not striking out the batter or if there's only 1 out - the coach for not walking the batter to set up a DP. As the batter's dad, that's a hit baby - I double up on stats 2 RBIs, increased BAVG, etc.   BTW: I was a P's dad and I can tell you with 100% guarantee that our college scorekeeper would call that a hit and I don't even have to see the play !

I understand the final comment.  When my middle son was in college, his stats guy was an infielder.  he ruled everything a hit.  We were talking one week and I asked him about the previous game my son pitched.  On two consecutive innings, there were balls hit to the third baseman that hit his glove and went into the dugout the first time and back toward home plate the second.  His answer was they were hits because they hit hard.  Mine is if you are on your feet and you put your glove on the ball it is an error.  I believe you can catch the balls hit to you.

Most of the time, sure, especially if it's in the air, but a short-hop screamer hit to F5 on the backhand side so hard that it bounces off the glove and goes into the dugout? And for the sake of argument let's say he's playing even with the bag.  HTBT, but that's probably a hit.

Thanks Root and appreciate the additional comments!

PitchingFan posted:

JohnF posted:

Depends on whether the official scorer is the parent of the P, SS, or batter . As a P's dad, every misplay by a fielder is an error to me especially when it affects the ERA. As the SS's dad I'm blaming the P for not striking out the batter or if there's only 1 out - the coach for not walking the batter to set up a DP. As the batter's dad, that's a hit baby - I double up on stats 2 RBIs, increased BAVG, etc.   BTW: I was a P's dad and I can tell you with 100% guarantee that our college scorekeeper would call that a hit and I don't even have to see the play !

I understand the final comment.  When my middle son was in college, his stats guy was an infielder.  he ruled everything a hit.  We were talking one week and I asked him about the previous game my son pitched.  On two consecutive innings, there were balls hit to the third baseman that hit his glove and went into the dugout the first time and back toward home plate the second.  His answer was they were hits because they hit hard.  Mine is if you are on your feet and you put your glove on the ball it is an error.  I believe you can catch the balls hit to you.

That isn't correct per the rules.  JCG is on the money here.  Getting a glove on the ball only marginally impacts if it is an error.  The rule book calls it ordinary effort so a two hopper whiffed between the legs is an error while a moving backhand stop that hits the heel or tip of the glove and rolls away is a base hit.  A smoked grounder to third that short hops and eats up the 3rd baseman is always a base hit and that includes Nolan Arrenado.

This misconception is up there with you could ever call a pitch that bounces a passed ball.  Nope - not ever - if it bounces before reaching the catcher and runners move it is a wild pitch every time.  Also counts toward earned runs.  So that wild pitch with a R3 and two outs that let's the run score is an earned run.  Sorry P parents,  Johnny Catcher doesn't take the rap on those.  

I understand the ruling but I also think the scorer's past experience always impacts whether it is a hit or error.  Guys who played or liked infield rule them hits and pitchers rule them errors.  I've always been of the mindset that if you should have caught it, then it was an error.  If you misplayed it or let it play you then it is an error.  In your interpretation, a ball through the legs could be a hit if it was hit hard enough and that should never be.   I also think we rule too many balls infield hits just because the infielder did not read it and reacted too late.  I wish they would add misplayed balls in the outfield as errors because I see so many outfielders who misread a ball and come in to only have the ball hit where they were to start with and it goes as a hit rather than an error on them.  I understand the ruling but I disagree with it and wish it would change on a lot of hits and errors interpretations.