Heard Menchville over Norview in a blowout... no surprise there
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Heard any word on the OL and WB game?
Menchville over Norview 17-0
WB and OL are tied at 3-3 after 4 innings
WB and OL are tied at 3-3 after 4 innings
WB vs OL 4-3 after 5 innings
After 6 innings, WB up 7-3 over OL
Final: WB 7 OL 3
Gloucester 2, Maury 0 - top of two
Gloucester 10, Maury 1 - end of four.
Gloucester had an eight run fourth inning.
Gloucester had an eight run fourth inning.
Gloucester 17, Maury 1 (final score)
Gloucester will play the winner of the Great Bridge - Cox game, which is the last game of the day at ODU.
Gloucester will play the winner of the Great Bridge - Cox game, which is the last game of the day at ODU.
Cox 1, Great Bridge 0 - end of one inning.
Flaherty pitching for GB, and Bailey for Cox.
Flaherty pitching for GB, and Bailey for Cox.
Great Bridge 2, Cox 1 - end of two innings.
Solo home run by A. Stokes (GB).
Solo home run by A. Stokes (GB).
Poor showing from OL. Great showing on the hill for Thompson, shutting down, what I thought and everyone thought, was a potent OL lineup.....that proved to be otherwise as the typical region hitting drought hit the OL bats. Good to see two future ECU ball players on the hill vs. each other! 
Cox 3, Great Bridge 2 - end of three innings.
Two out triple by Z. Bach drove in two runs to put Cox ahead.
Two out triple by Z. Bach drove in two runs to put Cox ahead.
Great Bridge 4, Cox 3 - end of fifth inning.
Ryan Vanassche in to pitch for Great Bridge.
Ryan Vanassche in to pitch for Great Bridge.
Cox 6, Great Bridge 4 - end of six innings.
Three #1 seeds fall. Menchville the only Regular season champ to win (although very convincingly).
Cox 6 Great Bridge 4. Best game of the day for a baseball spectator.
Cox scored in the top of the first inning. Tyler Knight and Grayson Bailey reached on singles with Zach Bach bringing home Knight on the ground out. Justin Lee led off the bottom of the first inning, hitting the ball to deep center field. Center fielder for Cox made a great catch. At the end of the first, the score was 1-0 Cox.
Cox went in order in the top of the second, thanks, in part, to a great play at second base by Hunter Higgerson, on his knees, threw a runner out after making a diving stop. In the bottom of the second, Great Bridge took the lead. Anthony Stokes led off the 2nd with a towering home run to left center. Cam Czech followed with a double and was brought home by Higgerson’s single up the middle. At the end of the second, the score was Great Bridge 2, Cox 1.
In the top of the third, with 2 outs and an 0-2 count, Zach Bach hit a triple down the right field line to bring home Brian Lee, who had singled, and Grayson Bailey, who had walked. At the end of the 3rd, the score was Cox 3, Great Bridge 2.
Cox sent 4 players to the plate in the top of the 4th. Andrew Flaherty struck out the first and walked the second. Ryan Vanassche took the mound in relief and struck out the next 2 batters. Great Bridge threatened in the bottom of the 4th, with runners at third and second but Cox managed to escape without Great Bridge scoring.
The Cox batters were retired in order in the top of the 5th. In the bottom of the 5th, with 1 out, Vanassche singled, Stokes walked, Czech reach when he was hit by the pitch and Higgerson brought Vanassche home when he walked. Austin Groves then hit a long fly ball to right field to score Stokes. At the end of the 5th, the score was Great Bridge 4, Cox 3.
Cox answered back in the top of the 6th. First batter struck out. Austin West reached on a walk, Matt Dutzer reached on a single up the middle, next batter struck out, Denny Ferrigno doubled to bring home West and Brian Lee reached on a error which brought home Dutzer and Ferrigno. In the bottom of the 6th, only Brian Beard reached, on a single. Score at the end of 6 was Cox 6, Great Bridge 4.
In the 7th, Knight reached on a single, Bailey grounded into a double play and Bach struck out. For Great Bridge, Stokes, who led off the inning, singled and then Bailey struck out the next 3 batters.
Winning pitcher was Grayson Bailey who pitched the entire game. Allowed 7 hits, 4BB, 3HB and 10Ks. Andrew Flaherty (GB) pitched 3 1/3 innings, allowed 4 hits and 3 earned runs while striking out 5. Ryan Vanassache (GB) pitched 3 2/3 innings, allowed 3 hits and 1 earned run while striking out 6.
Cox scored in the top of the first inning. Tyler Knight and Grayson Bailey reached on singles with Zach Bach bringing home Knight on the ground out. Justin Lee led off the bottom of the first inning, hitting the ball to deep center field. Center fielder for Cox made a great catch. At the end of the first, the score was 1-0 Cox.
Cox went in order in the top of the second, thanks, in part, to a great play at second base by Hunter Higgerson, on his knees, threw a runner out after making a diving stop. In the bottom of the second, Great Bridge took the lead. Anthony Stokes led off the 2nd with a towering home run to left center. Cam Czech followed with a double and was brought home by Higgerson’s single up the middle. At the end of the second, the score was Great Bridge 2, Cox 1.
In the top of the third, with 2 outs and an 0-2 count, Zach Bach hit a triple down the right field line to bring home Brian Lee, who had singled, and Grayson Bailey, who had walked. At the end of the 3rd, the score was Cox 3, Great Bridge 2.
Cox sent 4 players to the plate in the top of the 4th. Andrew Flaherty struck out the first and walked the second. Ryan Vanassche took the mound in relief and struck out the next 2 batters. Great Bridge threatened in the bottom of the 4th, with runners at third and second but Cox managed to escape without Great Bridge scoring.
The Cox batters were retired in order in the top of the 5th. In the bottom of the 5th, with 1 out, Vanassche singled, Stokes walked, Czech reach when he was hit by the pitch and Higgerson brought Vanassche home when he walked. Austin Groves then hit a long fly ball to right field to score Stokes. At the end of the 5th, the score was Great Bridge 4, Cox 3.
Cox answered back in the top of the 6th. First batter struck out. Austin West reached on a walk, Matt Dutzer reached on a single up the middle, next batter struck out, Denny Ferrigno doubled to bring home West and Brian Lee reached on a error which brought home Dutzer and Ferrigno. In the bottom of the 6th, only Brian Beard reached, on a single. Score at the end of 6 was Cox 6, Great Bridge 4.
In the 7th, Knight reached on a single, Bailey grounded into a double play and Bach struck out. For Great Bridge, Stokes, who led off the inning, singled and then Bailey struck out the next 3 batters.
Winning pitcher was Grayson Bailey who pitched the entire game. Allowed 7 hits, 4BB, 3HB and 10Ks. Andrew Flaherty (GB) pitched 3 1/3 innings, allowed 4 hits and 3 earned runs while striking out 5. Ryan Vanassache (GB) pitched 3 2/3 innings, allowed 3 hits and 1 earned run while striking out 6.
WB thanks for the great recap!
Western Branch 7, Ocean Lakes 3.
WB struck first in the first inning with a walk to Nick Thompson, a single by Shane Johnsonbaugh and an rbi single by Bobby Barefoot. OL answered immediately scoring 2 runs in the bottom of the first on a walk to Kyle Robertson, a single by Alex Lambert and a 2-out double by Sammy Eure.
WB tied the score in the top of the 2nd. Michael Donovan reached on a fielder’s choice and scored on Brandon Doggett’s fielder’s choice. At the end of 2, the score was 2-2.
In the 3rd inning, OL added an unearned run on 2 errors, an intentional walk to Lambert and a sac fly by Shawn Morimondo. At the end of 3, the score was OL 3, WB 2.
WB tied the score in the top of the 5th on a walk to Thompson, a stolen base by Thompson and an rbi single by Johnsonbaugh.
WB added three runs in the top of the 6th on a lead-off double by Donovan, a single by Garrett Brooks, a 2-rbi double by Doggett and an rbi single by Thompson.
Thompson struck out the top of the order to end the game.
Batters with multiple hits in the game were Brooks (WB) who went 3-4 (2S, 1DB), Johnsonbaugh (WB) 2-4 and Marco Anguilli (OL) 2-3.
Thompson (WB) pitched a complete game, allowing 2ERs, 5 hits, 7Ks, and 2BB to pick up his 9th win of the season. Morimondo pitched 5 1/3 innings, allowing 4ERs, 8 hits, 3BB and 6Ks. Lambert pitched 1 2/3 innings, allowing 2 ERs, 3 hits and 2 Ks.
WB struck first in the first inning with a walk to Nick Thompson, a single by Shane Johnsonbaugh and an rbi single by Bobby Barefoot. OL answered immediately scoring 2 runs in the bottom of the first on a walk to Kyle Robertson, a single by Alex Lambert and a 2-out double by Sammy Eure.
WB tied the score in the top of the 2nd. Michael Donovan reached on a fielder’s choice and scored on Brandon Doggett’s fielder’s choice. At the end of 2, the score was 2-2.
In the 3rd inning, OL added an unearned run on 2 errors, an intentional walk to Lambert and a sac fly by Shawn Morimondo. At the end of 3, the score was OL 3, WB 2.
WB tied the score in the top of the 5th on a walk to Thompson, a stolen base by Thompson and an rbi single by Johnsonbaugh.
WB added three runs in the top of the 6th on a lead-off double by Donovan, a single by Garrett Brooks, a 2-rbi double by Doggett and an rbi single by Thompson.
Thompson struck out the top of the order to end the game.
Batters with multiple hits in the game were Brooks (WB) who went 3-4 (2S, 1DB), Johnsonbaugh (WB) 2-4 and Marco Anguilli (OL) 2-3.
Thompson (WB) pitched a complete game, allowing 2ERs, 5 hits, 7Ks, and 2BB to pick up his 9th win of the season. Morimondo pitched 5 1/3 innings, allowing 4ERs, 8 hits, 3BB and 6Ks. Lambert pitched 1 2/3 innings, allowing 2 ERs, 3 hits and 2 Ks.
I watched the Western Branch/OL game and the Gloucester/Norview game. But looks like I missed the game of the day. Congrats Cox. I thought that GB would take it all this year. I guess that's why we play the game.
Personally, I would love to see the Eastern Region come up with a new way to seed each team into the tournament other than just rotating the districts every year... I just think teams like GB and OL, who have played well all year and have been atop the South Hampton Roads chart as #1 and #2 for the entire season should get a better opening round matchup than a Western Branch or a Cox. Dont get me wrong, I know that to be the best you have to beat the best and all that mumbo jumbo, but I just think that it was unfair for those two teams to have to play two legitimately tough teams just because that's how the district seedings play out this year, when Menchville and Glouchester roll in and get the obvious two worst teams in the tournament(no offense to Maury and Norview, great seasons)... Maybe, someway somehow, the VA Pilot could include the Peninsula into the rankings throughout the year and the Region could base it's seeds off that, or maybe they could have a power rankings like football has and seed teams based on the level of competition that they play and who they have beaten throughout the year... any ideas and/or suggestions...?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter Franchise:
I just think teams like GB and OL, who have played well all year and have been atop the South Hampton Roads chart as #1 and #2 for the entire season should get a better opening round matchup than a Western Branch or a Cox. Dont get me wrong, I know that to be the best you have to beat the best and all that mumbo jumbo, but I just think that it was unfair for those two teams to have to play two legitimately tough teams just because that's how the district seedings play out this year, when Menchville and Glouchester roll in and get the obvious two worst teams in the tournament"
PF, the schedule is what it is and you nailed it:
"to be the best you have to beat the best" I don't think the VA Pilot really has a clue based on their predictions and the results for the season.
OL by luck of the draw had the easiest schedule in Beach district playing the next best teams FC/Cox only once each during the regular season giving them the Beach District Title and an auto advance to regionals. Bottom line you have to win the big games.
I just think teams like GB and OL, who have played well all year and have been atop the South Hampton Roads chart as #1 and #2 for the entire season should get a better opening round matchup than a Western Branch or a Cox. Dont get me wrong, I know that to be the best you have to beat the best and all that mumbo jumbo, but I just think that it was unfair for those two teams to have to play two legitimately tough teams just because that's how the district seedings play out this year, when Menchville and Glouchester roll in and get the obvious two worst teams in the tournament"
PF, the schedule is what it is and you nailed it:
"to be the best you have to beat the best" I don't think the VA Pilot really has a clue based on their predictions and the results for the season.
OL by luck of the draw had the easiest schedule in Beach district playing the next best teams FC/Cox only once each during the regular season giving them the Beach District Title and an auto advance to regionals. Bottom line you have to win the big games.
No doubt! I totally agree with you 100%! However, I just think it would and could be a whole lot better of a tournament if the brackets/seedings were drawn up better! I don't have a dog in this fight as far as either of those teams that lost yesterday so please don't base my post on any kind of bias towards OL or GB. I am just throwing this discussion out there as food for thought and something to think about... I mean 99% of us don't hear the first thing about any team across the water until we get to the Bud and they're playing (with the exception of Menchville this year and last year). I just think there has to be some better way to draw this thing up as far as the season and the Eastern Region tournament is concerned, to make it more fair for everyone and to see more competitive more exciting baseball...
I think they need to do what the Northern Region does. Kill the district tournaments and take the top four teams from each district. Make it a 16 team tournament over 6 days. This way you could create a path that each district is represented in a group of 4 teams playing down to the Regional Semi Final. IE PIN 1 v BEACH 4 and EAST 2 V SED 3.
In this scenario teams like GF, FC and IR would have had a chance to play in the regional tournament instead of being locked out. In this setup you might have ended up with Cody Cox up against Chrismon in the 2nd round. There would still be blowouts and unfair rotations but at least each legitimate contender would have a crack at regionals. You'd weed out the weaker teams right away leaving the best 7 or 8 most years.
In this scenario teams like GF, FC and IR would have had a chance to play in the regional tournament instead of being locked out. In this setup you might have ended up with Cody Cox up against Chrismon in the 2nd round. There would still be blowouts and unfair rotations but at least each legitimate contender would have a crack at regionals. You'd weed out the weaker teams right away leaving the best 7 or 8 most years.
Actually, the Northern Region still has their district tournaments. However, you're right that they instead include the top four teams from each district into the regional tournament as well. Yet, that's the exact same thing the Eastern Region does for basketball. I'm really surprised the ER has not yet done this for baseball though too, considering it's the same amount of schools and it's also the biggest region in the state(39). The 1st round could be hosted at the higher seed and then the quarterfinals and beyond moved to ODU like normal. Much like basketball is/was done with Churchland and now Scope.
DES,
How does it work in the Northern Region? You said that they have district tournaments in addition to advancing four teams from each district to Regionals. Are the district tournaments composed of the top four teams from each district or does it vary by district? (In the Eastern Region, the Southeastern District has a four-team district tournament and the Beach District has an eight-team district tournament.) Which teams advance to Regionals – the top four from district tournament? Does the regular season winner get to advance to the Regionals automatically or does it just affect the seeding for the Regional tournament? How is the seeding for Regionals done – based upon regular season finish or based upon tournament play? Is my math correct that it adds at least two extra games to some teams’ schedules (which is a good thing)?
Luvbaseball,
Got to say I agree with you on this one. First round could be at the home fields of the higher seeds and then move to ODU. I would love to have seen Grassfield and Indian River playing in the Eastern Regionals. Just afraid we could get the cry of economics, no money. Someone needs to provide the address(es) of the folks we should lobby in the Eastern Region.
Franchise,
Don’t want a subjective seeding. How many folks, who would be doing the seeding, would get to see a number of games played by a number of teams in the Eastern Region to be able to make that value judgment? If four teams were to advance from each district to Regionals, the self-seeding would probably be as good as any person’s subjective seeding. (Look at the 2010 NCAA basketball seedings. How many did not follow the chalk? And the guys doing the seeding spent hours watching games with sophisticated computer programs to assist.)
I think one of the real problems is that the tournament is single elimination. A team can have that 1 in 10 miscue that ends a season, which might not be ended if it were double elimination (or pool play) like many other tournaments (ala, ACC baseball tournament, ODAC baseball tournament, NCAA baseball tournament, etc.). However, I don’t think that high school baseball will go to double elimination. Few teams would have the pitching depth to get through double elimination in a short number of days. And then there are the economic issues, too.
How does it work in the Northern Region? You said that they have district tournaments in addition to advancing four teams from each district to Regionals. Are the district tournaments composed of the top four teams from each district or does it vary by district? (In the Eastern Region, the Southeastern District has a four-team district tournament and the Beach District has an eight-team district tournament.) Which teams advance to Regionals – the top four from district tournament? Does the regular season winner get to advance to the Regionals automatically or does it just affect the seeding for the Regional tournament? How is the seeding for Regionals done – based upon regular season finish or based upon tournament play? Is my math correct that it adds at least two extra games to some teams’ schedules (which is a good thing)?
Luvbaseball,
Got to say I agree with you on this one. First round could be at the home fields of the higher seeds and then move to ODU. I would love to have seen Grassfield and Indian River playing in the Eastern Regionals. Just afraid we could get the cry of economics, no money. Someone needs to provide the address(es) of the folks we should lobby in the Eastern Region.
Franchise,
Don’t want a subjective seeding. How many folks, who would be doing the seeding, would get to see a number of games played by a number of teams in the Eastern Region to be able to make that value judgment? If four teams were to advance from each district to Regionals, the self-seeding would probably be as good as any person’s subjective seeding. (Look at the 2010 NCAA basketball seedings. How many did not follow the chalk? And the guys doing the seeding spent hours watching games with sophisticated computer programs to assist.)
I think one of the real problems is that the tournament is single elimination. A team can have that 1 in 10 miscue that ends a season, which might not be ended if it were double elimination (or pool play) like many other tournaments (ala, ACC baseball tournament, ODAC baseball tournament, NCAA baseball tournament, etc.). However, I don’t think that high school baseball will go to double elimination. Few teams would have the pitching depth to get through double elimination in a short number of days. And then there are the economic issues, too.
A couple of things to throw out there...
* From what I understand, the Southeastern District coaches, as a majority, would love to see the regional go to a 16-team format like basketball. The issue is... it has to be proposed by a principal... he/she has to have another principal on board with him/her to 2nd the motion.... then he/she needs the supports in votes with principals throughout the region.
Unlike basketball & football... baseball is a non-revenue drawing sport (and much lower revenue drawing at the regional level). A principal would have to go to a lot of trouble to lobby and drum up support for something that many principals ask "what's in it for us?" or "what's the benefit for our school/district/region?"
* So many states do so many things differently. There are states that do not have district OR region tournaments. Arizona, for example from what I understand, takes the top teams from each district straight into a double-elimination state tournament.
I think that's pretty interesting, but I completely agree with and am on board for a 16-team regional. Grassfield, for one, certainly had the potential to be good enough to win the region with their pitching (Cox, Ingraham, Ellis), but lost a 2-1 contest in districts on one errant throw. Should they have hit better to make it out of the district? Sure... but .... Should the absolute BEST teams in the region be at the regionals? Heck Yes. Did the SED/Beach/Peninsula have 3-4 REALLY good teams? Absolutely.
Some years the beach is STACKED with 4 great teams... sometimes the SED or even Peninsula has 4 great teams (this year First Colonial, Indian River & Woodside could have been TOUGH outs in the regional as well).
College coaches are crawling all over regional tournaments. I know teams like Grassfield, Woodside, FC and IR have guys these coaches would have like to have seen on a "big stage".
... Now to just get a bunch of principals to care about and see some kind of benefit for them in all of this...
Also... Let's just say it... We have some GREAT baseball being played in this area. You could have a tournament with Woodside, FC, IR, and GF alone and see college-bound talent and top-notch baseball... and those teams didn't even make it out of their district.
Those who were in attendance for all four baseball games Monday were treated to some very well-played baseball by some quality players, coaches, and teams... Kudos to all four districts.
* From what I understand, the Southeastern District coaches, as a majority, would love to see the regional go to a 16-team format like basketball. The issue is... it has to be proposed by a principal... he/she has to have another principal on board with him/her to 2nd the motion.... then he/she needs the supports in votes with principals throughout the region.
Unlike basketball & football... baseball is a non-revenue drawing sport (and much lower revenue drawing at the regional level). A principal would have to go to a lot of trouble to lobby and drum up support for something that many principals ask "what's in it for us?" or "what's the benefit for our school/district/region?"
* So many states do so many things differently. There are states that do not have district OR region tournaments. Arizona, for example from what I understand, takes the top teams from each district straight into a double-elimination state tournament.
I think that's pretty interesting, but I completely agree with and am on board for a 16-team regional. Grassfield, for one, certainly had the potential to be good enough to win the region with their pitching (Cox, Ingraham, Ellis), but lost a 2-1 contest in districts on one errant throw. Should they have hit better to make it out of the district? Sure... but .... Should the absolute BEST teams in the region be at the regionals? Heck Yes. Did the SED/Beach/Peninsula have 3-4 REALLY good teams? Absolutely.
Some years the beach is STACKED with 4 great teams... sometimes the SED or even Peninsula has 4 great teams (this year First Colonial, Indian River & Woodside could have been TOUGH outs in the regional as well).
College coaches are crawling all over regional tournaments. I know teams like Grassfield, Woodside, FC and IR have guys these coaches would have like to have seen on a "big stage".
... Now to just get a bunch of principals to care about and see some kind of benefit for them in all of this...
Also... Let's just say it... We have some GREAT baseball being played in this area. You could have a tournament with Woodside, FC, IR, and GF alone and see college-bound talent and top-notch baseball... and those teams didn't even make it out of their district.
Those who were in attendance for all four baseball games Monday were treated to some very well-played baseball by some quality players, coaches, and teams... Kudos to all four districts.
How much does a baseball game cost? Being a little generous my rough math using 4 umpires is:
Umpires 4 x $75 = $300
Bus = $150
Baseballs 2 dozen = $40-$50
Misc supplies for lines etc $25-$50
Total = $450-$500
If you schedule games at home fields you pay no rent so at $7 a head you only need about 70 people to show up to break even. Slam dunk before you sell a single Hot Dog.
I don't know what VHSL's cut is but it should not be that hard to work out.
Smith do I have this about right? Would 5 parents at every school showing at the Principals office be enough to get it rolling? A petition circulated through the district using the web or even this site?
Umpires 4 x $75 = $300
Bus = $150
Baseballs 2 dozen = $40-$50
Misc supplies for lines etc $25-$50
Total = $450-$500
If you schedule games at home fields you pay no rent so at $7 a head you only need about 70 people to show up to break even. Slam dunk before you sell a single Hot Dog.
I don't know what VHSL's cut is but it should not be that hard to work out.
Smith do I have this about right? Would 5 parents at every school showing at the Principals office be enough to get it rolling? A petition circulated through the district using the web or even this site?
The problem with having 4 teams from each district advancing to regionals, is not every district in the state can field 4 competitive teams and it devalues the quality of the tournament(remember in VHSL, what is done in one region also has to be done across the state). Everybody knows the beach and southeastern district can field 4 quality teams, but the same cant be said for other districts across the state. Some feel it would be a waste of revenue to add 2 extra schools from each district, when the teams dont stand a chance in regionals. This has been the argument from several administrators for years. I dont agree with it, but thats the way it is...
quote:Originally posted by hasbeen007:
The problem with having 4 teams from each district advancing to regionals, is not every district in the state can field 4 competitive teams and it devalues the quality of the tournament(remember in VHSL, what is done in one region also has to be done across the state).
If that were true, the Eastern Region already would have a 16-team Regional because the Northern Region has a 16-team Regional. Check out the AAA brackets in one of these threads. The pairings are done as Luvbaseball started outlining.
I'm only passing on information given to me by other administrators. That was the answer they gave me 3 years ago. I dont know how they do it in the northern region, but I disagree with killing the district tournament. Come the end of the year, the teams with the best records arent always the best teams. Whoever is the hottest at the time is the best. Thats the beauty of tournament play.
Its a shame they dont let baseball be a revenue generating sport. Maybe if it was, the make-up of postseason play would be different...
Its a shame they dont let baseball be a revenue generating sport. Maybe if it was, the make-up of postseason play would be different...
WB Reporter,
I was merely throwing out ideas in my last post about this topic. I was really just trying to get the ball rolling on this subject because I know that I am not the only person on this site that feels this way (obviously, haha). I totally agree with you, luvbaseball and DSH about the change(s) that needs to be made. If you had a sixteen team field, the quality of baseball in the regional tournament would be soo much better! Also, it would bring out the best talent the region has to offer and reveal who the best "teams" are in the state. Teams would have to use their whole staff and their whole bullpen and have to have contributions from everyone up and down their lineups to advance. And, I also agree with you two that their were teams that didn't make it into the tournament that could've had an impact this year as well (some were probably even better than a couple teams in it this year) like Grassfield, Indian River, First Colonial, and so on and so fourth. It has been this way in previous years as well. Luvbaseball is also correct in stating that this would not be that bad of a burden economically as well. I mean, in all reality, it's ONE extra game for each team! Did we ever figure out how the Northern Region determines their seedings into the tournament? Any automatic bids as far as regular season champs?
I was merely throwing out ideas in my last post about this topic. I was really just trying to get the ball rolling on this subject because I know that I am not the only person on this site that feels this way (obviously, haha). I totally agree with you, luvbaseball and DSH about the change(s) that needs to be made. If you had a sixteen team field, the quality of baseball in the regional tournament would be soo much better! Also, it would bring out the best talent the region has to offer and reveal who the best "teams" are in the state. Teams would have to use their whole staff and their whole bullpen and have to have contributions from everyone up and down their lineups to advance. And, I also agree with you two that their were teams that didn't make it into the tournament that could've had an impact this year as well (some were probably even better than a couple teams in it this year) like Grassfield, Indian River, First Colonial, and so on and so fourth. It has been this way in previous years as well. Luvbaseball is also correct in stating that this would not be that bad of a burden economically as well. I mean, in all reality, it's ONE extra game for each team! Did we ever figure out how the Northern Region determines their seedings into the tournament? Any automatic bids as far as regular season champs?
hasbeen,
no one is talking about killing the district tournament... there would still be a district tournament (just like high school basketball in the Tidewater area). The only difference would be that each district would send their top 4 teams to the regional tournament instead of their top 2...
no one is talking about killing the district tournament... there would still be a district tournament (just like high school basketball in the Tidewater area). The only difference would be that each district would send their top 4 teams to the regional tournament instead of their top 2...
Franchise,
Have not figured out how the Northern Region does it. Was hoping that Dedication Starts Here would respond to my questions. I will send a PM to see if he is aware we are "hanging" waiting for his responses. Or maybe someone else from the Northern Region would respond. I will post in their thread also. I would be willing to go to WB's principal on the issue. Maybe if folks in the Eastern Region would go push the issue with their principals, we could get it to happen. The fly in the economics may be the VHSL cut. I know it is spelled out and can be found in materials on the VHSL web site, just have not gone looking again.
Have not figured out how the Northern Region does it. Was hoping that Dedication Starts Here would respond to my questions. I will send a PM to see if he is aware we are "hanging" waiting for his responses. Or maybe someone else from the Northern Region would respond. I will post in their thread also. I would be willing to go to WB's principal on the issue. Maybe if folks in the Eastern Region would go push the issue with their principals, we could get it to happen. The fly in the economics may be the VHSL cut. I know it is spelled out and can be found in materials on the VHSL web site, just have not gone looking again.
Here is Golfball's response which he posted in the Northern Region thread. Looks like they have an 8-team district tournament as well. Interesting.
"I'll try to answer.
The top four finishers in the District Tournament qualify for Regionals. The two teams with the best regular season (District) records move into the semi-finals of the district tournament which guarantees them a spot in the region tournament. The third & fourth place teams in the regular season get a bye into the quarterfinal game of the district tournament.
District Tournament:
1st round:
5 vs 8 seed
6 vs 7 seed
2nd round:
Winner of 5 vs 8 seeds plays number 4 seed
Winner of 6 vs 7 seeds plays number 3 seed
Semi-final: These four teams have qualified for the region tourney and are seeded in the order they finish in the district tournament.
1 vs 4
2 vs 3"
I understand that some in the Southeastern District have wanted to expand from a 4-team tournament. This might be the answer. Sounds like the Northern Region teams get to play a few more games because they are in the category of post-season.
"I'll try to answer.
The top four finishers in the District Tournament qualify for Regionals. The two teams with the best regular season (District) records move into the semi-finals of the district tournament which guarantees them a spot in the region tournament. The third & fourth place teams in the regular season get a bye into the quarterfinal game of the district tournament.
District Tournament:
1st round:
5 vs 8 seed
6 vs 7 seed
2nd round:
Winner of 5 vs 8 seeds plays number 4 seed
Winner of 6 vs 7 seeds plays number 3 seed
Semi-final: These four teams have qualified for the region tourney and are seeded in the order they finish in the district tournament.
1 vs 4
2 vs 3"
I understand that some in the Southeastern District have wanted to expand from a 4-team tournament. This might be the answer. Sounds like the Northern Region teams get to play a few more games because they are in the category of post-season.
I'm pretty sure that the principal at Salem High School chairs the Eastern region baseball committee. I know that he runs the Beach District Tournament year in and year out.
I imagine we could get a number of the posters herein to speak with their principals and probably there is a poster from almost every Eastern Regional school. However, before that is done, I would think we would need to make sure that many of the coaches would be on board for expanding the Eastern Regionals.
Comment from Bxbomber re Northern Region setup:
"One item to point out is that the winner of the regular season is guaranteed no worst than a second seed in the regionals. Therefore if in the 1 vs 4 game in the semis -- should 4 win the 1 seed would get a second seed in the regional tourney."
"One item to point out is that the winner of the regular season is guaranteed no worst than a second seed in the regionals. Therefore if in the 1 vs 4 game in the semis -- should 4 win the 1 seed would get a second seed in the regional tourney."
Point of information. The Northern Region played their 8 initial games at home fields on Friday of Memorial Day weekend at 7 p.m. So, the ODU schedule, as far as days and times, could remain the same.
quote:And, I also agree with you two that their were teams that didn't make it into the tournament that could've had an impact this year as well (some were probably even better than a couple teams in it this year) like Grassfield, Indian River, First Colonial, and so on and so fourth.
Peter Franchise - just curious - are you talking about the Eastern District Teams - that they should not have been in the Regions? I know they were not a match for the Peninsula Teams. Because there is no slaughter rule at the Regions, the game had to go on until they could get the side out.